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Zorn List Digest        Monday, August 20 2001        Volume 03 : Number 532



In this issue:
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       RE: Saariaho
       Re: Zorn's next major project
       Re: Zorn's Next Major Project
       RE: the knit
       the gift
       Re: The return of JMT (plus info clearing house)
       RE: Scary Neubautens and Butthole Creeps
       Re: Scary Neubautens and Butthole Creeps
       RE: Scary Neubautens and Butthole Creeps
       re: jewels&binoculars
       Re: Scary Neubautens and Butthole Creeps
       New Seigen Ono record with Zorn, Ribot, etc
       Re: jewels&binoculars
       Re: fate of the knit
       Re: fate of the knit
       RE: fate of the knit
       Tzadik Radio Hour

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:39:43 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Saariaho

There's still more worthwhile Saariaho out there, including a good
collection of early stuff on Bis and another Ondine disc worth having, with
the Los Angeles Philharmonic conducted by Esa-Pekka Salonen (her greatest
champion) in two works and the Kronos Quartet in a third.

Esa-Pekka's putting his money where his mouth is this month with a disc on
Sony Classical - major label breakthrough, though likely short-lived.  Gidon
Kremer is soloist in 'Graal Theatre' with the BBC Symphony.  Dawn Upshaw
sings 'Chateau de l'Ame' with the Finnish Radio Symphony.  There's one more
piece, 'Amers,' for cello and chamber orchestra.  This came out in Europe a
while back, and is released here in the States on August 28.

Pity that no one has seen fit to release her recent opera, 'L'amour de
loin.'  It's less experimental than most of the instrumental works, and
luminously beautiful - maybe the first great French opera since Messiaen's
'Francis of Assisi' or even Debussy's 'Pelleas.'

Check out www.petals.org for two more Saariaho discs on a label she co-runs.
You'll also find a link to something called 'Prisma,' a CD-ROM release that
not only illustrates the music by showing you the score and other notes, but
also lets you get in and manipulate the music to clarify its strands and
textures.  There's even a musical game wherein you construct your own
compositions using fragments of her works.  (The recordings, for the most
part, come from the Ondine releases.)  The package was developed by the
phenomenally proactive Finnish Music Information Center and IRCAM, and has
not been released as a mass-market commerical item (though it's available
through the site), but I've heard that it will be released by the French
label Naive sometime fairly soon.

You'll find more basic info at www.saariaho.org and
http://www.schirmer.com/composers/saariaho/bio.html.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:01:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Novak <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn's next major project

>1) Form a sax quartet and perform skewed versions of
>Peter Brotzman solos.
>
>2) Team up with the world's greatest band, Cardiacs,
>and make an album even better than _Sing To God_ ,
>the
>greatest album ever made (of course).
>
>3) Break Kenny G's continuous note record.
>
>4) Turn the charts for _Spillane_ upside-down and
>re-record them

Hi,

I think maybe he should try picking up another sax- I
wonder why he- to my best knowledge- only plays alto.


- ---Ryan N.

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:04:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Marks <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zorn's Next Major Project

I'd really like to see a new Painkiller release.
I liked how the last release went off into
ambient/dub territory.Maybe he could take it
where else.

Another thing I think would be cool would be something
similar to Big Gundown, new arrangements of other
people's material (You can blame Fantomas' Directors
Cut for this, great album)

Like someone else said, I'm not too keen on the recent
classical stuff, but I just don't like that kind of
stuff in general.

Finally, more stuff along the lines of Spillane,
Elegy,Kristallnacht,Godard,Grand Guignol (track 1),
Duras


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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:03:27 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: the knit

According to "sources," an individual investor gave the Knit a large
injection of money that shored up its books and averted the short-term
crisis.  Certainly the New York club appears to be more active and
interesting lately than in the months prior, although there seems to be more
of an alt-rock tilt than ever.  Threadgill's playing there soon.  And
supposedly the club is working on putting together a fall music festival to
take the place of the former Verizon Jazz Festival.

According to those "sources," the investor may have been Gary Lucas, or a
friend of his.  It's all pretty vague.  "Sources" are funny that way.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Skip Heller
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:41 PM
To: [e-mail]; Zorn Mailing List
Subject: the knit


A few months ago, the Knitting Factory was in danger of closing/liquidating
etc.  Very little has been said about the subject of late.  Does anyone know
anything definitive?


skip heller
http://www.skipheller.com



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- -

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:09:48 -0400
From: "Bob Kowalski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: the gift

I finally bought The Gift this past weekend.  I remember hearing various =
rumblings on the list over the packaging and that was more or less it =
(will garner either a chuckle &/or raised eyebrow from curious guests.)  =
With exception of one track (sorta sci-fi stylin') this is a killer disc =
that will get heavy play.  Am I just a sucker for Zorn's softer side or =
have others found this disc to be right up there with several of the =
Filmworks discs, Circle Maker and Bar Kokhba ?

happy listening=20

Bob

now playing very very loud: My Bloody Valentine's Glider EP, esp. Soon




- -

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:18:39 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The return of JMT (plus info clearing house)

I wrote to Screwgun records a few days ago, inquiring about the rumored W&W
"Fractured Fairy Tales" reissue.  The reply said, "News to me."

Sigh,
Tom

NP: Whiskeytown -- "Strangers Almanac"

In a message dated 8/20/01 12:19:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Regarding JMT reissues on W&W, first I sed:
>
>  > Wonder if this means the ten-year hole in Tim Berne's life will soon be
>  > patched.
>
>  To which my old pal Vince sed:
>
>  >Be nice - I shudder to think of the poor lot of recent Berne fans who
>  >haven't heard stuff like FRACTURED FAIRY TALES and PACE YOURSELF.
>
>  I think you've misunderstood me, Vince!  I actually *was* being nice - to
>  Tim, if not his record companies.  I'm serious about that ten-year hole in
>  Tim's life - it's been a source of great annoyance to him, to everyone who
>  appreciates him, and to everyone who's come along since then and hasn't
been
>  able to hear those discs.  And let's just say it wasn't *only* Polygram
(now
>  Universal) that stood in the way of Tim getting them reissued earlier by
>  himself.
>
>  I think it's incredibly important that, one way or another, the music gets
>  back out into the marketplace and from there into the hands of listeners
who
>  missed it first time around.  Tim's stature has grown appreciably since
>  those days, so I can only imagine there is a largish group of people who
>  will be very eager to see these discs return.
>
>  To this, I'll only add that the two Columbia Berne discs reissued by Koch
>  are now out of print again.  So if you've hesitated up to now... well, DMG
>  may still have them, and you should have them, too.


______________________________________________________________________
Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately,
and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."

- -

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:14:21 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Scary Neubautens and Butthole Creeps

Gibby also played varsity basketball while working on his accounting degree
at Trinity University in San Antonio.  Paul, too, was a part of that
accounting department.  When I was there, years later, his father was still
dean of the economics department.  My literature professors told me that
Gibby was known for his violent poetry readings on campus.  In one of my
articles on them for the campus paper, I led a futile campaign for honorary
doctorates for the two of them.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Kurt Gottschalk

thanks for the butthole reminiscences, steve.

a few years ago, i read a pretty good piece about them in, of all places,
rolling stone. the writer (whose name i forgetted) led the piece with a long
story about gibby playing touch football in his yard, and how he was a star
quarterback in high school. the point of explaining all this, the author
went on to say, was to show where he got the skills required to bean a
heckler in the back of the room in the head with a full can of beer.


- -

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:23:45 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Scary Neubautens and Butthole Creeps

In a message dated 8/20/01 1:19:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Gibby also played varsity basketball while working on his accounting degree
>  at Trinity University in San Antonio.  Paul, too, was a part of that
>  accounting department.  When I was there, years later, his father was still
>  dean of the economics department.  My literature professors told me that
>  Gibby was known for his violent poetry readings on campus.  In one of my
>  articles on them for the campus paper, I led a futile campaign for honorary
>  doctorates for the two of them.
>
>  Steve Smith
>  [e-mail]


My one Buttholes concert saw Gibby storming onstage with a shotgun, which he
proceeded to fire into the crowd.  It of course fired only blanks, but the
crowd didn't realize that for 10 or 15 terrifying seconds.

Tom

_____________________________________________________________________
Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately,
and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."

- -

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:26:15 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Scary Neubautens and Butthole Creeps

Lollapalooza, I take it?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
[e-mail]

My one Buttholes concert saw Gibby storming onstage with a shotgun, which he
proceeded to fire into the crowd.  It of course fired only blanks, but the
crowd didn't realize that for 10 or 15 terrifying seconds.


- -

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:32:08 +0200
From: "dekater" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: jewels&binoculars

> James Hale wrote:
>
> > Michael Moore's "Jewels & Binoculars: The Music of Bob Dylan".
>
> James,
>
> Tell us some more about this new Moore. Is it Clusone 3. Is Bennink
> playing?
>
>     greetings,
>       Rob @ risk
>         np: Prince - Girls & Boys

In 2000/2001 Michael Moore did a kind of project with four all star
European-American quartets.
With one of those groups he explored the music of Bob Dylan. This group
however was no quartet because David Tronzo (unfortunately?) didn't join in.
The other three musicians were Michael Moore, Lindsay Horner and Michael
Vatcher. The concerts of this trio were just great.

Jan Luyben




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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:44:11 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Scary Neubautens and Butthole Creeps

In a message dated 8/20/01 1:30:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Lollapalooza, I take it?
>
>  Steve Smith
>  [e-mail]

Precisely.

BTW:  The Rollins Band released a promo that contains a blistering impromptu
jam with the Buttholes.

______________________________________________________________________
Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately,
and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."

- -

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:06:05 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Seigen Ono record with Zorn, Ribot, etc

    DMG has the curious following record listed:

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
25.SEIGEN ONO-Maria & Maria (Saidera Records 1017/Japan) Featuring
John Zorn, Marc Ribot, Peter Scherer, Joey Baron, Romero Lubambo,
Jill Jaffe, Jane Scarpantoni and Maxine Neuman.  Recorded in five
speaker surround sound and placed in a lush eleven page booklet with
cute/slightly bizarre artwork worthy of a Zorn release - the music is
quaint, sad, elegant, playful, delicate and not very downtown,
although eventually Zorn, Ribot & Baron do cut loose and erupt.  $25.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Does anybody know when it was released?

    Thanks,

    Patrice.

- -

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:13:28 -0400
From: James Hale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: jewels&binoculars

The CD was recorded on that tour. Five tracks were recorded at the Grand
Theatre in Groningen, Holland, on Dec. 3, though no audience noise is evident.
The other tracks were cut in Brussels at a studio on Nov. 29 and 30.

James Hale

dekater wrote:

> > James Hale wrote:
> >
> > > Michael Moore's "Jewels & Binoculars: The Music of Bob Dylan".
> >
> > James,
> >
> > Tell us some more about this new Moore. Is it Clusone 3. Is Bennink
> > playing?
> >
> >     greetings,
> >       Rob @ risk
> >         np: Prince - Girls & Boys
>
> In 2000/2001 Michael Moore did a kind of project with four all star
> European-American quartets.
> With one of those groups he explored the music of Bob Dylan. This group
> however was no quartet because David Tronzo (unfortunately?) didn't join in.
> The other three musicians were Michael Moore, Lindsay Horner and Michael
> Vatcher. The concerts of this trio were just great.
>
> Jan Luyben
>
> -


- -

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:20:35 +0000
From: "Kurt Gottschalk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: fate of the knit

>A few months ago, the Knitting Factory was in danger of closing/liquidating
>etc.  Very little has been said about the subject of late.  Does anyone
>know
>anything definitive?

not sure how good of stead they're in, but much better than they were. in no
small part, that's because gary lucas arranged for some european investors
to bail dorf out.

so is that going to make gary the knit's new poster boy? not a thing against
him. i love his playing (his new chinese pop songs project with gisburg is
really great), but he would now seem primed for the knit's particular
penchant for branding. remember when they invented klezmer (JAM - jewish
alternative music). even back when the enterprise was admirable (or before i
knew it wasn't), that level of trademarking was evident ("what is jazz").
rashied ali's label became 'knit classics' (not 'jazz classics' or some
such). and so on.

not to mention the fact that they found a little corner outside the tap bar
where there -- *gasp* -- wasn't a cash register. that situation has been
resolved.

but perhaps the most annoying to me is the 'downtown isn't just a zip code'
campaign, with a huge photo of, of all people, james 'blood' ulmer. i love
ulmer's playing too, mebbe even moreso than lucas. but does he really typify
'downtown'? especially since he seems to play uptown more often? blues and
harmolodics are not primary components of whatever it is "downtown" is,
methinks. and seeing his picture huge as a graphic for new cd releases that
don't include him is just odd.

maybe they couldn't find a photo of elliot sharp to plaster all over
carnation.

kicking a dog when it's getting up,

kurt

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:24:25 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: fate of the knit

On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:20:35 +0000  "Kurt Gottschalk" wrote:
>
>
> >A few months ago, the Knitting Factory was in danger of closing/liquidating
> >etc.  Very little has been said about the subject of late.  Does anyone
> >know
> >anything definitive?
>
> not sure how good of stead they're in, but much better than they were. in no
> small part, that's because gary lucas arranged for some european investors
> to bail dorf out.

Investors? And I thought they were more careful these days :-).

    Patrice.

- -

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:23:32 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: fate of the knit

The very first time I ever saw one of those "zip code" ads, it was in fact
plastered on a photo of E#.

Good points about commodification of music and cultcha - one of the prime
beefs that most musicians have leveled at the Knit, though many have clearly
benefitted from such branding.  In the new issue of Jazz Times, there's a
long article on the radical Jewish culture thing by Howard Mandel.  Mandel
caught Sharp in an unguarded moment at Tonic, and he says some pretty
pointed things about the Radical Jewish Culture series on Tzadik...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Kurt Gottschalk
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 2:21 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: fate of the knit

but perhaps the most annoying to me is the 'downtown isn't just a zip code'
campaign, with a huge photo of, of all people, james 'blood' ulmer.
[snip]

maybe they couldn't find a photo of elliot sharp to plaster all over
carnation.


- -

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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:35:53 -0400
From: "richard ladew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tzadik Radio Hour

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "richard ladew" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:38 PM
Subject: Tzadik Radio Hour


> Has anyone heard the Tzadik radio hour hosted by Zorn?  Like the Zorn
Radio
> Hour from 1990ish, it is hosted by Zorn, but this one features only Tzadik
> artists.  I just stumbled across it at the radio station I work at.  It's
> much more enjoyable than the Hermetic Theater....
>
> NP:Tzadik Radio Hour
> NR:  Steve Martin "Shopgirl"
>


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