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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #531
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Zorn List Digest Monday, August 20 2001 Volume 03 : Number 531
In this issue:
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Re: Again: Zorn's next major Project
Re: Again: Zorn's next major Project
Re:essay on zorn
i have a dream
new nmperign CD on selektion
New CD releases!! Incredible news!!!!!!!!
Re: Again: Zorn's next major Project
Re: Again: Zorn's next major Project
Directions in Music
SMILE tonite
Re: jewels & binoculars
Re[2]: The return of JMT
Re: Again: Zorn's next major Project
international sharrock 8-26
Zorn & ?Zionism?
Gustafsson/Drake
NZ Fernando Grillo
Make The Geek Sweat
RE: The return of JMT (plus info clearing house)
the knit
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:34:10 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Again: Zorn's next major Project
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:00:36 +0200 Rob Allaert wrote:
>
> I'm really sorry that this interesting message has some Zorn content. But
> I was hoping that some of you still listen to some of his music. You gotta
> have at least some sort of exotic wish as to what Zorn has to do next.
I think that the best that could happen to Zorn is to drop *100%* Masada.
Masada has almost killed my interest in Zorn, and since his classical
compositions are, IMHO, quite weak and derivative, the last decade I have
been on a serious Zorn diet and learnt to live without his music (which
is sad because I still love the man and believe that he is one the most
creative musician to come up in the past 20 years).
Patrice (who was yawning before the second half of the first Masada).
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:58:19 -0400
From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: Re: Again: Zorn's next major Project
At 13:34 16/08/01 -0700, proussel@ichips.intel.com wrote:
>I think that the best that could happen to Zorn is to drop *100%* Masada.
>Masada has almost killed my interest in Zorn, and since his classical
>compositions are, IMHO, quite weak and derivative,
Agreed 100% on what you write about masada above, and 0% on your comment
about Zorn's classical output which is unfounded IMHO. (I am curious -
derivative from what?)
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:43:50 -0500
From: roballey@juno.com
Subject: Re:essay on zorn
I wish I could help, but unfortunately I can't. I would like to know
where / what school will be publishing your dissertation. Sounds
incredibly interesting.
> in a few weeks i will finish my dissertation on music and
> deconstruction =
> in which zorn plays an important role. in order to complete my =
> bibliography i hope somebody can help me with bibliographical =
> information about an essay called 'john zorn - music without
> govern'. i =
> think i've found it on the internet once but i cannot recall the
> author =
> and where it is published. H E L P!!
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:03:46 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: i have a dream
I wish Zorn would do a new ROCK project featuring his COMPOSITIONS. Not just
the rock-ish impro stuff he has been doing recently (+ always, actually :-)
with Sim Cain, Dave Lombardo etc.
And, perhaps my dream will come true! He is supposed to release something on
Ipecac sometime in the future and I doubt that will be modern classical or
jewish folk melodies. Could be wrong of course.
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:09:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Grey ElkGel <greyelkgel@yahoo.com>
Subject: new nmperign CD on selektion
out now on selektion [germany]:
bhob rainey/greg kelley: nmperign CD
bhob rainey, soprano saxophone
greg kelley, trumpet
nmperign formed in 1998 and in that time has performed
throughout europe and the united states collaborating
w/ jason lescalleet, le quan ninh, phil minton, and
jerome noetinger, among others.
this is their first CD release in almost 2 years
(after releases on twisted village and intransitive)
and is the first to focus solely on their work as a
duo (previous releases featured collaborations w/
tatsuya nakatani, jason lescalleet and phil gelb).
"The nmperign approach is to begin with nothing, and
to go from there. Whereas most musicians' sound
contains references to certain stylistic precursors
and/or influences, Rainey and Kelley seem to have
evolved out of the ether."
- - David Prince, The Santa Fe Reporter
"Their language has clear antecedents...but the closer
you listen, the less familiar the duo's dialect
sounds, with its volatile and idiosyncratic balance of
wriggling abstraction and severely rationed lyricism."
- - Bill Meyer, The Chicago Reader
available now via nmperign ($12 + shipping) and later
via forced exposure and anomalous.
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http://homepage.mac.com/bhobr/
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:24:30 +0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: New CD releases!! Incredible news!!!!!!!!
Hello guys!!
AMAZING NEWS!!!!!!!!! I just read on the Tzadik site that there is a new
Masada live double CD being released ("One magical evening on two CDs") and
a new "Filmworks" CD feat Cyro Baptista and Erik Friedlander ("one of ZornÆs
most beautiful and touching listening experiences")!!!
Wauw, I can't wait to get my hands on those beauties!!! The world of new and
exiting music is really great!!!!!
Blissfully yours,
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:35:00 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Again: Zorn's next major Project
New things for Zorn to do:
1) Form a sax quartet and perform skewed versions of Peter Brotzman solos.
2) Team up with the world's greatest band, Cardiacs, and make an album even better than _Sing To God_ , the greatest album ever made (of course).
3) Break Kenny G's continuous note record.
4) Turn the charts for _Spillane_ upside-down and re-record them.
- --
=dg=
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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:49:45 -0700
From: William Crump <william@steno.com>
Subject: Re: Again: Zorn's next major Project
While we're wishing, how about a live "happening" with a 24-hour-long version of "Pueblo"? Adjust the arrangement so lung-powered instruments can
join in as well. Even better -- a 24-hour-long version of "Leng T'che."
Or he could stop writing, gigging and recording for one year, work on his chops, then finish the Classic Guide to Strategy.
Any of the above would be okay with me.
William Crump
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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:14:56 -0400
From: "& c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Directions in Music
I heard about the "directions in music" tour. I know that Herbie Hancock is
in the group and that is a Miles Davis/John Coltrane tribute. What's the
deal? Is it supposed to be worthwhile? Does any one have any information
on the music repertoire of this group?
Thanks
Zach
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 01:02:24 -0400
From: "Jeton Ademaj" <jeton@hotmail.com>
Subject: SMILE tonite
howdy zornlist,
with provisional regret fer my lack of posts (i got busy with Visionfest
around the time of the QUEER arguments, which btw i'm happy to continue if
anyone's interested (which i doubt, from the utter silence that greeted the
issue in my absence) and then the whole list went down up down again...)
naturally the reason i'm writing is personal spam...
*SMILE*
Daniel Carter (winds), Dustin Garlitz (t.sax), Chris Hamilton (e.bass), Mike
Pride (drums,reeds,voice) and myself (qifteli,guitar,voice)
- -will be playing the KnitActive Soundstage tonite (sat. the 18th) at 9pm.
PS:
top twenty LOUD songs (1 per artist(s), mixed order, as of this week):
Jimi Hendrix: Drone Blues (either the full length or A. Douglas release)
Black Sabbath: Hand Of Doom (brit remasters or orig. vinyl/8trak only)
Yes: The Ancient - Giants Under The Sun
Diamanda Galas: I Put A Spell On You
Last Exit: Brain Damage
Duran Duran: A View To A Kill
Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan: Ruk Pe Rehmat Ka
Wu-Tang Clan : Mysteries of Chessboxin'
Led Zeppelin: How Many More Times (BBC 1969)
John Coltrane: Om
After Hours: Waterfalls (3AM Mix)
Masada: Tonic 1/23/99 (i ferget the name, but i always ff to it)
Blondie: Call Me
Jeff Beck: Play With Me
Metallica: The Thing That Should Not Be
Public Enemy: Arizona
The Who: Heaven And Hell (Live at Leeds)
Madonna: Justify My Love (Beast-Within remix)
David Bowie: Ashes To Ashes
Miles Davis: Yesternow/Theme From Jack Johnson (61 minute undivided track on
japanese re-release of Agharta)
the following four letters shall justify this spam:
Z O R N
so mote it be!
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:37:55 +0200
From: "dekater" <dekater@worldonline.nl>
Subject: Re: jewels & binoculars
> James Hale wrote:
>
> > Michael Moore's "Jewels & Binoculars: The Music of Bob Dylan".
>
> James,
>
> Tell us some more about this new Moore. Is it Clusone 3. Is Bennink
> playing?
>
> greetings,
> Rob @ risk
> np: Prince - Girls & Boys
In 2000/2001 Michael Moore did a kind of project with four all star
European-American quartets.
With one of those groups he explored the music of Bob Dylan. This group
however was no quartet because David Tronzo (unfortunately?) didn't join in.
The other three musicians were Michael Moore, Lindsay Horner and Michael
Vatcher. The concerts of this trio were just great.
Jan Luyben
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:27:29 +0200
From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.net>
Subject: Re[2]: The return of JMT
>> Count me among this poor lot. I've been searching in vain for FFT
>> for a couple of years. Any word from Tim on the likeliness of his
>> reissuing the JMT stuff?
>>
>> Berne deficient,
>> Tom
>>
MR> A couple of weeks ago my local record dealer told me that
MR> Fractured Fairy Tales is planned for release on Winter & Winter,
MR> and that more Berne reissues will follow.
i am a bit confused. as far as i know berne and stefan winter had some
problems with each other (maybe that's why berne started his own label
after working with stefan winter for many years). so i would be
surprised if stefan winter would release berne's stuff again.
but maybe there is someone on this list who has some insights...
PEACE
Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.net
ICQ: 96771783
http://nav.to/timblech
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:25:59 +0200
From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de>
Subject: Re: Again: Zorn's next major Project
Looking at his June Top Ten lists on the Tzadik site, one might suspect
he
could soon be working on some Balinese Gamelan music... He seems to
really be
into that stuff at the moment.
patRice
np: John Coltrane, Transition
nr: Roland MC-505 Manual
Rob Allaert wrote:
> I'm really sorry that this interesting message has some Zorn content.
But
> I was hoping that some of you still listen to some of his music. You
gotta
> have at least some sort of exotic wish as to what Zorn has to do next.
- -
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Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:08:41 -0400
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Date: 19 Aug 2001 07:52:03 -0000
From: "Millie Gorgon" <snacky@disinfo.net>
Subject: Zorn & ?Zionism?
Hi Zornfolk,
i'm in the process of a writing an article about Zorn & was wondering --
what do you folks know about his politics? i have run across a statement by
composer and sax player Fred Ho that accuses Zorn of being a Zionist.
do you suppose there could be any validity to this?
and what exactly are the political implications of starting a Radical Jewish
scene in NYC, initiating ethnically exclusive projects, etc?
i certainly haven't come to any conclusions, and am not sure there really are any clear answers to these questions....
any insights?
mg
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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:56:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Novak <ryan_novak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Gustafsson/Drake
Hi,
A long while back I had a guy offer to burn a copy of
"For Don Cherry" (the limited edition Okka CD) for me
but I never heard back. Another fellow thought he
might sell his too. Let me know what still stands on
that privately please.
That disc and especially Gustafsson/Lovens' "Nothing
to Read" are a couple that really burn my butt being
out of print. Their recent tour, which I missed, was
also frustratingly titled under this unavailable
record's name. Too agonizing for this sax/drum fan.
Well, thanks for any help/info,
Ryan N.
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:39:58 -0700
From: Ryan Blum <rblum@fas.harvard.edu>
Subject: NZ Fernando Grillo
I wanted to ask if anyone has any personal experience with the Italian
bassist Fernando Grillo, an incredible virtuoso for whom Stockhausen,
Xenakis and Dumitrescu have composed. He has one solo album of his
compositions (_Fluvine_, originally on Cramps, rereleased on Ampersand)
which is absolutely heavy, and it comes up in conversation on this list once
in a while.
Through internet searches, I have gathered that he teaches at the Perugia
conservatory in Umbria, Italy and plays infrequently, though regularly,
around the region. Has anyone studied, or know someone who has studied with
him? Does anyone have any recordings of his other compositions (there seem
to be a ton)? Has anyone heard the 2 albums of improvisation on JMP that he
is a part of? It seems to me that there is far too little information about
this guy.
Also, it seems from the translations google gave me of some random web
pages, that he is performing twice around the Perugia region, on Sept 10 and
11. If anyone is there with a recording device and want to help distribution
of his music, I will shower you with gifts and prayers.
Thanks,
Ryan
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:20:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: rizzi@browbeat.com (m. rizzi)
Subject: Make The Geek Sweat
Not sure if any of you noticed, but the zorn-list
subscriber list was lost to a hard disk failure
on Aug. 16th. Luckily I was able to reconstruct
the list membership. As of a few minutes ago,
it is all back in order.
SOoooo, if you sent an email to the list between
Aug. 16th and now, you will need to resend it.
It is likely that you received a "sorry you need
to be a member of the zorn-list to send a message
to the subscribers" type of email. Since NO ONE
was a member of the list for a couple of days,
now you know why you got that message! :)
Phew! zorn-list maintenance has been quite the
challenge lately. Good thing I'm between jobs,
and have the free time :)
Maybe once I get a job, the curse of the zorn-list
will go away.
mike
rizzi@browbeat.com
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:14:08 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: The return of JMT (plus info clearing house)
Regarding JMT reissues on W&W, first I sed:
> Wonder if this means the ten-year hole in Tim Berne's life will soon be
> patched.
To which my old pal Vince sed:
>Be nice - I shudder to think of the poor lot of recent Berne fans who
>haven't heard stuff like FRACTURED FAIRY TALES and PACE YOURSELF.
I think you've misunderstood me, Vince! I actually *was* being nice - to
Tim, if not his record companies. I'm serious about that ten-year hole in
Tim's life - it's been a source of great annoyance to him, to everyone who
appreciates him, and to everyone who's come along since then and hasn't been
able to hear those discs. And let's just say it wasn't *only* Polygram (now
Universal) that stood in the way of Tim getting them reissued earlier by
himself.
I think it's incredibly important that, one way or another, the music gets
back out into the marketplace and from there into the hands of listeners who
missed it first time around. Tim's stature has grown appreciably since
those days, so I can only imagine there is a largish group of people who
will be very eager to see these discs return.
To this, I'll only add that the two Columbia Berne discs reissued by Koch
are now out of print again. So if you've hesitated up to now... well, DMG
may still have them, and you should have them, too.
Speaking of JMT/Winter & Winter, I note that the Paul Motian Trio (with
Frisell and Lovano) is returning to the Village Vanguard this week. Good to
see them active again. Frisell will be back at the Vanguard for the first
two weeks of October to mark the release of his new album on Nonesuch - the
one with Dave Holland and Elvin Jones, imaginatively titled 'Bill Frisell
with Dave Holland and Elvin Jones.' That won't be the rhythm section for
the gigs, alas - he'll have Scherr and Wollesen the first week, and then
they'll be joined by Jenny Scheinman the second week.
Finally, for those who were wondering, I hear from Nonesuch that the
previously discussed Robin Holcomb disc with Frisell and Zony Mash will
almost certainly happen, and if/when it does, it'll be in January or
February. I've heard the first cut and it's beautiful - kind of a throwback
to the style of 'Rockabye.'
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:40:37 -0700
From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net>
Subject: the knit
A few months ago, the Knitting Factory was in danger of closing/liquidating
etc. Very little has been said about the subject of late. Does anyone know
anything definitive?
skip heller
http://www.skipheller.com
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