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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, July 17 2001 Volume 03 : Number 502
In this issue:
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Mr. fela arto vandermark
Re: Arto Lindsay / Fela Kuti
Re: Recent frequent plays
Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck]
Re: Philip Jeck
RE: Recent frequent plays
Fw: Recent frequent plays
Re: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck]
Re: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck]
RE: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck]
DEPECHE MODE (was: Recent frequent plays)
RE: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck]
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:09:35 -0300
From: mwoodwor <mwoodwor@is2.dal.ca>
Subject: Mr. fela arto vandermark
Since I saw Arto Lindsay at the Montreal Jazz Fest a couple of weeks ago -
I've been re-listening to his last 3-4 albums -he put on a great live show,
re-working (and in many cases, speeding up) songs primarily off his last two
albums.
Also, caught the Vandermark 5 at the 'other' jazz-fest going on during the
Montreal Jazz Fest at Casa del popolo - as someone else recently commented on
the list - they were smokin! Much better than the last time I saw them which
was at Victoriaville last year - their new album sounds like it will be the
best so far.
Finally, thanks to all who gave me input on checking Prince out in Montreal -
the show turned out to be a blast. Although he played with the audiences mind
for the first set (long improvisation/jams that sounded about 2 steps away
from elevator jazz/practically no reconizable songs/Prince not really
singing/moving, sometimes leaving the stage), the second set was a different
beast altogether - Prince even teased the chrowd and asked "who was the guy
who was out here earlier?" everyone went nuts - of course he ended with a 15
minute version of Purple Rain! Still, I wonder how Test was that night.
As for other current listening - I know it's been said before, but everyone do
yourself a big favour and go out and buy 15-20 Fela Kuti albums and hunker
down in the house for a week or two. It may be some expensive shit! to buy
that many albums, but boy oh boy it is goooooooooooooood.
mike.
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:19:26 +0200
From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de>
Subject: Re: Arto Lindsay / Fela Kuti
mwoodwor wrote:
> Since I saw Arto Lindsay at the Montreal Jazz Fest a couple of weeks ago -
> I've been re-listening to his last 3-4 albums -he put on a great live show,
> re-working (and in many cases, speeding up) songs primarily off his last two
> albums.
Do you know who played with him?
I saw him twice a few years ago and also enjoyed the shows very much.
Both times Marc Ribot was in the band - my guitar God...
Was also lucky enough to meet Arto and Marc during the break - lovely guys!
>
>
> As for other current listening - I know it's been said before, but everyone do
> yourself a big favour and go out and buy 15-20 Fela Kuti albums and hunker
> down in the house for a week or two. It may be some expensive shit! to buy
> that many albums, but boy oh boy it is goooooooooooooood.
Are the albums really as hot as so many people claim?
(Unfortunately I missed out on the discussion on this list... - Archives time
maybe? ;-))
patRice
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:10:52 +0300
From: "Vincent Kargatis / Anne Larson" <lartis@ath.forthnet.gr>
Subject: Re: Recent frequent plays
Jon Abbey:
> after a few listens, British turntablist Philip Jeck's just-released Vinyl
> Coda IV (Intermedium) seems like his strongest, most coherent statement
yet.
What are some likely sources for this (me being lazy and not looking myself
atm)?
> let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most
frequent > play in your house these days?
Sorry, this is a bit long, but I've been meaning to make a short write-up of
stuff, so will take the opportunity. I just wish I had more to say - I'm a
terrible music writer, but feel bad I don't "give back" more to the net
venues I frequent.
I've mostly been shuffle-playing mp3s ripped from my recent acquisitions
(few of them particularly hot off the presses): (no particular order)
* I've marked some real winners that have probably escaped more notice than
should've.
JAZZ/IMPROV:
Barry Guy's INSCAPE-TABLEAUX - as nice as reported
Dixon/Oxley - PAPYRUS vol 1 - as nice as expected
Several Erstwhile releases, which are all pretty much fantastic - thanks
Jon!!
Larry Ochs Sax & Drumming Core - a cd-r Larry sent me to test-drive - a nice
sax/2-drums set that really focuses on the drums as separate instruments and
doesn't sound at all like a free-jazz sax blowout with drum accompaniment,
as one might possibly fear with the instrumental lineup and history of it.
Phil Haynes/Herb Robertson - BROOKLYN/BERLIN (CIMP) - Herb can rarely do
wrong for me, and this is a solid quintet record. I think I like Phil's
sequence (form the liners) more than the cd's (Bob Rusch's? Herb's?)
* Rob Blakeslee - WATERLOO ICE HOUSE (Louis) - I really really like this
record, a quartet with Rich Halley on tenor. Subtle, moody, incisive.
Almost the epitome of what I look for in a modern jazz record.
The recent batch of Sun Ra Evidence reissues from '63, '73, and '78. Great
stuff, plenty from that canonical spacey era of his.
Tim Berne - THE SHELL GAME (Thirsty Ear) - I'm a major Berne fan, and this
one's awesome, imo. Craig Taborn introduces a new, abstract/funky
electronics and keyboard sound to Tim, and pushes him to new heights of
tension and abstraction. Tom Rainey rules as always.
Billy Harper - SOUL OF AN ANGEL - I don't know what it is about Harper out
of all the unapolgetic Trane descendants, but I can listen to him all day.
* Alex Maguire & Michael Moore - MT OLYMPUS (Ramboy) - great, pretty,
intelligent sax/piano duets.
Arthur Gadney asks:
> > np: alasnoaxis
> Is this better than the recent very weak live performances?
Jim Black - ALASNOAXIS (W&W) - Haven't seen 'em, but I'm growing to like
this one quite a bit. Lots of variety, from more abstract Paul-Motian-esque
tunes (well, I've always found Motian's writing to be abstract and hard to
get a handle on) to funk-punk-fuzz avant-jazz. And gorgeous pop-like
melodies like "Boombye".
Mike Stern - PLAY (Atlantic) - features Scofield and Frisell on guitars
(different cuts) - it's a pleasant Stern jazz record, nothing head-turning.
If you already like Stern's stuff, ok, but don't buy it for the guests.
* Nels Cline - DESTROY ALL NELS CLINE (Atavistic) - well, I can't get enough
of Nels. I just love his guitar, and love his albums. This one's a
guitar-fest, with 4 of them, plus rhythm and guests, performing a wide range
of episodic jazz/rock/improv. Excellent.
Otomo Yoshihide New Jazz Quintet - FLUTTER (Tzadik) - I'm with a previous
poster a while back in wanting a little bit more electronic craziness
injected into what seems to often be fairly straight jazz readings. I like
the fine droning piece the best. [Actually, listening now - not so straight
really, just not as electronically fucked up as one might expect/hope.]
(*sort of* improv...)
John Wall - FRACTUUR (Utterpsalm) - *finally* I've heard this oft-mentioned
landmark. Lives up to its reputation. Exceptionally cool.
CLASSICAL:
* Claude Vivier - (Phillips) - a recommendation from r.m.c.contemporary.
These are really gorgeous works from a Canadian spectralist.
Xenakis - ORCH/CHAMBER WORKS (Col Legno) - do I need to comment? Excellent
release.
Kaija Saariaho - FROM THE GRAMMAR OF DREAMS (Ondine) - new recordings of
lots of her vocal pieces. I love Saariaho's instrumental timbre-bending
work, but I'm no great fan of voice in general. Still pretty nice.
Paul Dolden - L'IVRESSE DE LA VITESSE (IMED) - Dolden's works are just way
out super-dense multiply-layered orchestra-tape pieces, often with soloist.
Big, crazy sound!
ELECTRONICA:
Autechre - CONFIELD (Warp) - more experimental than previous stuff, less
groovy wacked-out rhythms that they're so good at. Some of it's very cool,
like the first track which sounds like a bb in a high gravitational field
bouncing on a cymbal over synth washes, but other tracks just sound like too
much mismatched sequences that sound stilted for stiltedness' sake (oo,
onomatopoeia!).
Arovane - ATOL SCRAP - sorta like an alternate Autechre for those who didn't
want Autechre to do CONFIELD. :) Don't want it to sound like it's a
worthless copy (it's not, and I like it), but it's in that sonic
neighborhood.
Oval - OVALCOMMERS (Thrill Jockey) - this and the last (I think) are
generated rather than put together "manually" by Popp. I haven't heard
OVALPROCESS yet, but this is more noisy and less "pleasant" than the early
Oval. Still ear-stretching though, and cool.
Just subscribed to The Wire for the first time, and have lots of random
tracks from the Wire Tappers 1-5,7. Much of that is fun and interesting.
POP/ROCK:
Burning Airlines - IDENTIKIT (Southern) - a recent fave indie band from DC,
led by J Robbins coming out of Jawbox. This is their followup to their
excellent debut MISSION CONTROL, which I'd start with.
Modest Mouse - MOON & ANTARCTICA - I love these guys. Edgy, funny,
unpredictable. Download "Tiny Cities Made of Ashes" and see what you think.
Pere Ubu (playing catchup here) - PENNSYLVANIA (98 studio) and APOCALYPSE
NOW (91 live) - still going strong. The live show is a goodie. Love this
line from PA's "SAD.TXT": "One day I will be the best that you can do."
Lucinda Williams - ESSENCE - a fine followthrough from CAR WHEELS ON A
GRAVEL ROAD from this revered folk/country/rock singer/writer. More
contemplative and introspective than CAR WHEELS.
patRice said:
> Iannis Xenakis, Chamber Music 1955 - 1990
> I'm still amazed at some of the sounds Xenakis got out of those
instruments.
This is such an amazing release. Truly essential, no? I gotta say I just
adore the unrelenting dissonance of "Tetora".
Btw, the above was a fair sampling of recent purchasing habits - feel free
to pass on (on or off-list) non-obvious suggestions inspired by the above.
vince
np: Joe McPhee - "Deep River" (IN THE SPIRIT, CIMP) Oops, forgot to
mention that one above. Good McPhee.
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:08:18 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck]
Mohamed Adbel Wahab: The HMV Recordings, Vol. 1 (EMI Arabia)
Botch: We Are the Romans (Hydra Head)
Butthole Surfers: Rembrandt Pussyhorse, Locust Abortion Technician, Hairway
to Steven (all Latino Bugger Veil '99 remasters), The Last Astronaut
(aborted '98 Capitol release via download)
Cave In: Beyond Hypothermia, Until Your Heart Stops, Creative Eclipses,
Jupiter (all on Hydra Head)
Giles, Giles & Fripp: Metaphormosis (Tenth Planet)
Dennis Gonzalez: Yells At Eels (daagnim)
Rich Halley: Coyotes in the City (Louie)
Isis: Mosquito Control EP (Escape Artist), The Red Sea (Second Nature),
Celestial (Escape Artist), SGNL>05 (Neurot)
Jaguares: Cuando la Sangre Galopa (BMG Mexico)
Matthias Pintscher: Sur Depart, Herodiade-Fragment, Music from Thomnas
Chatterton - NDR Symphony/Eschenbach (Teldec)
Antonio Vivaldi: Late Violin Concertos - Giuliano Carmignola, VBO/Marcon
(Sony Classical)
Live shows: Keith Jarrett Trio, Cheikha Rimitti, Sussan Deyheim, Les Tetes
Brulees, N'Der et la Setsima Group, Bob Dorough
On order: Old Man Gloom, Seminar II and Seminar III (Tortuga)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - nada
NR - Eduardo Galeano, Faces & Masks
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:21:54 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Philip Jeck
On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 01:56:53AM -0400, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> after a few listens, British turntablist Philip Jeck's just-released Vinyl
> Coda IV (Intermedium) seems like his strongest, most coherent statement yet.
>
> let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most frequent
> play in your house these days?
At the risk of losing my avant cred,
October Project: s/t
David Bowie: Black Tie White Noise
Catler Brothers: Crash Landing
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|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:17:59 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Recent frequent plays
> I just wish I had more to say - I'm a
> terrible music writer, but feel bad I don't "give back" more to the net
> venues I frequent.
Speaking from longtime experience, I have to disagree with this... ;-)
> * Rob Blakeslee - WATERLOO ICE HOUSE (Louis) - I really really like this
> record, a quartet with Rich Halley on tenor. Subtle, moody, incisive.
> Almost the epitome of what I look for in a modern jazz record.
Enthusiastically seconded. Halley's missing on Blakeslee's followup, 'Last
Minute Gifts,' which instead features trombonist Michael Vlatkovich.
Recommended highly all the same. But Halley's fans will be super-pleased to
hear that he's got a new trio date on Louie with bassist Clyde Reed and
drummer/label head Dave Storrs, 'Coyotes in the City.' Halley in long,
ripping stretches of gritty tenor goodness. And as usual from this label,
exemplary mastering by Dave Trenkel... As a New Yorker who gets damn near
everything in the world offered up on a stage sooner or later, I'm still
feeling mighty lucky to have been one of a handful who caught Rob's
'Waterloo' quartet two years ago at the Cornelia Street Cafe (I skipped a
Nels Cline gig to be there!).
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:37:37 -0700
From: chuckp8@juno.com
Subject: Fw: Recent frequent plays
>let's get this list moving again. what records are getting the most
frequent
>play in your house these days?
(and at work and in my car...)
Nylon Coated Cats
Manu Chao
Kalacakra
Pelt
Nishihinon
Biota
Archie Shepp
Acid Mothers Temple
Taj Mahal Travelers
Fela Kuti - worth it.
CP.
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:52:32 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck]
On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:08:18AM -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
> Giles, Giles & Fripp: Metaphormosis (Tenth Planet)
How is this?
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| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
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| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:50:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck]
Steve, or anybody else, could you mind saying a few
words about the following? I've heard little/nothing
about these, but they look interesting:
> Mohamed Adbel Wahab: The HMV Recordings, Vol. 1 (EMI
> Arabia)
> Botch: We Are the Romans (Hydra Head)
> Cave In: Beyond Hypothermia, Until Your Heart Stops,
> Creative Eclipses,
> Jupiter (all on Hydra Head)
> Isis: Mosquito Control EP (Escape Artist), The Red
> Sea (Second Nature),
> Celestial (Escape Artist), SGNL>05 (Neurot)
> Matthias Pintscher: Sur Depart, Herodiade-Fragment,
> Music from Thomnas
> Chatterton - NDR Symphony/Eschenbach (Teldec)
And even though you probably haven't listened to this,
what is it?
> On order: Old Man Gloom, Seminar II and Seminar III
> (Tortuga)
Thanks for indulging curious eyes/ears,
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:04:00 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck]
While I've not listened to it quite enough to have a really minutely
detailed opinion, I will say that this is broadly and clearly the missing
link between GG&F and King Crimson, even without Greg Lake. If you've ever
heard the version of "I Talk to the Wind" with Judy Dyble on 'Young Persons'
Guide to King Crimson,' this is more of the same. Dyble sings only a couple
of tunes here, though. The biggest difference, of course, is the presence
of Ian McDonald. And Fripp is surely showing signs of the agressive
guitarist he was to become on the first Crimson album. A worthwhile
purchase, even as a $23 slab of vinyl. The material was clearly leaked by
an insider - perhaps someone perturbed that they couldn't get a pile of cash
out of Fripp to issue it in the King Crimson Collector's Club, where it
surely belongs.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Zitt [mailto:jzitt@metatronpress.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:53 AM
On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 10:08:18AM -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
> Giles, Giles & Fripp: Metaphormosis (Tenth Planet)
How is this?
- -
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:13:26 -0400
From: Mark Saleski <marks@foliage.com>
Subject: DEPECHE MODE (was: Recent frequent plays)
i saw them on the Music For The Masses tour...funny thing, it was the only show
i've ever walked out of.
they started with Pimpf->Behind The Wheel... which i thought was a great opening
sequence.
but then everything kinda sounded the same after that. the only tune i could
remember after that was Stripped.
i dunno. maybe i just wasn't in the mood that night. i just seemed like the whole
thing was phoned in....with all of the music coming from backing tapes. maybe
they're not like that in concert now (they do seem to be getting great reviews).
even though i didn't enjoy that particular show i did pick up Music For The Masses,
Black Celebration and 101 Live
mark
> I have all of their albums, and couldn't possibly pick one as being my
> favourite.
>
> But do you also know:
> Music for the masses?
> 101 live?
> Violator?
>
> I can recommend those...
>
> Also I think their very 1st album was very good - for the time...
>
> patRice
- --
Mark Saleski - marks@foliage.com
"Is it so wrong, wanting to be at home with your record collection?" - Nick Hornby
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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:18:16 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Rolling... [was RE: Philip Jeck]
> Mohamed Adbel Wahab: The HMV Recordings, Vol. 1 (EMI
> Arabia)
Abdel Wahab's a lot like Oum Koulthoum, if that makes it any clearer. He
had a fairly light tenor voice - the first time I played it for my
girlfriend, she thought it *was* Koulthoum. Classic Egyptian
sympho-folk-pop-art music from the early decades of the century. Can't
really explain it any better than that. The recordings are from the '30s.
> Botch: We Are the Romans (Hydra Head)
> Cave In: Beyond Hypothermia, Until Your Heart Stops,
> Creative Eclipses,
> Jupiter (all on Hydra Head)
> Isis: Mosquito Control EP (Escape Artist), The Red
> Sea (Second Nature),
> Celestial (Escape Artist), SGNL>05 (Neurot)
All representative of what I surmise to be called "noisecore," though I'm
not sure why. All based in Boston or recording for Boston-based Hydra Head.
I hear lots of slow, angular metallic slabwork, foundary clankings, lost and
found sounds, occasional analogue synths (in Isis, certainly). I'm still
just getting to know this genre, but the general concept seems largly to
follow from Godflesh and Neurosis, although I'm hearing similiarities to
Helmet as well, and Cave In also displays an eary allegiance to the Melvins.
I've generally thought that Isis was the best of these bands, and they
certainly put on a compelling and hypnotic live show. But I've been
spending the last week intently with the Cave In discs. The first two are
extremely noisy and aggressive, the EP is a segue of sorts, and the latest
album, 'Jupiter,' is a head-spinning about face that takes more of a
melodic, space-prog approach. I've heard them described as "Slayer meets
Radiohead" and while that's largely inaccurate, it should at least give you
a notion of the ballpark. Cave In is also the band that will break out from
this scene first, since they've just signed a deal with RCA. Botch is still
sticking with the harder edge and harsher vocals. Old Man Gloom, from what
I've heard, is a spin-off project involving members of Cave In, Isis, the
Hydra Head label and the Newbury Comics shop. Can't tell you more than
that, but I'm sure someone else could... Anyway, I've also located a
webzine that does a reasonably good job of talking about these bands and
some others... www.lambgoat.com. And Cave In's website is chock full of MP3
samples - www.hydrahead.com/cavein.
> Matthias Pintscher: Sur Depart, Herodiade-Fragment,
> Music from Thomnas
> Chatterton - NDR Symphony/Eschenbach (Teldec)
Post-Berg atonal orchestral writing by a 30-something German. I'll try to
post again when I've gotten more of a handle on it - it just showed up
yesterday.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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