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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #469
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, June 19 2001 Volume 03 : Number 469
In this issue:
-
Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
Re: Odp: King Crimson
Re: Odp: King Crimson
Massacre tonight
Re: Odp: King Crimson
Jon Is My Co-Pilot
Merzbow Video Special
DowntownMusic.net update
Jazz em Agosto - Lisbon 1 to 12 August
Boredoms anime conection
Fwd: Jazz em Agosto - Lisbon 1 to 12 August
sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
Henry Threadgill
Re: Henry Threadgill
Odp: Odp: King Crimson
Johnny Stecchino
Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:39:42 +0200
From: "dekater" <dekater@worldonline.nl>
Subject: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Caleb T. Deupree <cdeupree@erinet.com>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
> Another disturbing book that hasn't been mentioned yet this go-round is
> House of Glass, by Mark Danielowski. Very well done horror story in the
> trappings of scholarly wrapping, and some of the most interesting
> typographical effects I've seen in a long time.
I suppose this must be "House of Leaves" by Mark Z. Danielewski.
For the rest, I completely agree.
Jan Luyben
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:30:08 EDT
From: Eriedell@aol.com
Subject: Re: Odp: King Crimson
In a message dated 6/17/01 8:48:48 AM, marcingokieli@go2.pl writes:
<< > C: what songs are frequently on the recent set-lists?
>>
I saw the first of Kc's four warm-up shows in Nashville last thursday
evening. I can't remember the exact set list. They did play FraKctured,
VROOOM, The ConstruKction of Light, Into The Frying Pan, Cage, The World's
My....., Dinosaur, ProzaKc Blues, an amazing version of The Deception of The
Thrush, David Bowie's Heroes, Elephant Talk, Frame by Frame and some newer
tunes that have yet to be released as well as some older tunes that i can't
remember. The show was really good even with a few mistakes from Belew as
far as remembering lyrics, and messing up the guitar part on FraKctured.
Belew's lead solos were great--if only all vocalists could handle lead guitar
parts as well. Fripp was flawless. Gunn's solo on Deception of The Thrush
made the evening as far as i'm concerned. Mastelotto nailed everything. The
show was good enough that on the way home I put in a Kc cd--and it doesn't
happen often that i'll want to listen to the same group on the ride home that
i just finished seeing for two hours.
If you've never checked them out before, seeing them live is probably the
best introduction.
~Eriedell
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:01:01 EDT
From: Eriedell@aol.com
Subject: Re: Odp: King Crimson
In a message dated 6/17/01 8:48:48 AM, marcingokieli@go2.pl writes:
<< I'm getting tired of
Fripp recently, as i find his solos predictable, but the band is a
wonder live. >>
Possibly because most of his solos now are written out? He only took one
improvised solo when i saw them in Nashville as far as i could tell. It gets
hard to count individual notes when he plays that fast, but as far as i could
tell, all his solos were note for note what they are on Heavy ConstruKction
with the exception of his solo on The World's My... (i think, which ever song
it was that i thought was different, it wasn't far off the solo on Heavy
ConstruKction). Can anyone confirm that Fripp's solos for Kc's newer stuff
are composed out?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:05:40 +0000
From: Philip Clarkson <phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Massacre tonight
> From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Massacre tonight!
> Is anybody going to the Massacre (w. Chris Cutler!) show tonight in London?
> Please post comments!
Just got back from the gig, which was hugely enjoyable - they played for
about an hour, mainly doing several long improvised pieces, with a couple of
shorter thrashier pieces thrown in. I imagine most of it is improvised,
although a couple of the pieces seemed to start with "heads" or some
pre-arranged idea of how to begin. Frith had two guitars - one laid flat on
a table which he occasionally plugged into & used some sort of pickup to
amplify the objects he pushed & scraped up the strings - a bow, a metal tin,
metal chain etc etc. He mainly played his other electric guitar in a more
conventional fashion, although using it as much for percussive effect as to
pluck. He used a lot of effects pedals to loop various sounds & bits of
feedback which he then improvised over. Laswell varied between very melodic
playing (similar in style to on his Tzadik album, "Invisible Design"), jazzy
runs, dub & funk riffs which anchored the pieces down & often led the way
they progressed. It was enjoyable to hear him throwing Bootsy-style fuzzbass
lines into the mix as Frith splintered out free-guitar noise over the top.
Laswell also quoted riffs (I think) from Funkadelic's "Cosmic Slop", Sly
Stone's "Thank You For Talking To Me Africa" & Trane's "A Love Supreme".
Charles Heyward provided a powerful rhythmic charge - he also played
melodica on a couple of the quieter sections. The band were really well
received - they got a standing ovation, and Laswell even smiled, shockingly.
Their playing reminded me as much of the backing for Percy Howard's
"Meridiem" album as it did for the last Massacre one - it'd be great to hear
some live releases from this line-up. Are they playing anywhere else in
Europe?
Chris Cutler's set was a lengthy improvised piece using a conventional drum
kit & a load of electronic gear - samples were triggered pretty much
constantly. It was kind of impressive to watch, but the lack of any melodic
elements meant I wasn't unhappy when it finished.
Just my tuppence's worth...anyone else see the gig?
Phil Clarkson
phil@clarksonp.demon.co.uk
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:55:33 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: King Crimson
On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:01:01PM -0400, Eriedell@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/17/01 8:48:48 AM, marcingokieli@go2.pl writes:
>
> << I'm getting tired of
>
> Fripp recently, as i find his solos predictable, but the band is a
>
> wonder live. >>
>
> Possibly because most of his solos now are written out? He only took one
> improvised solo when i saw them in Nashville as far as i could tell. It gets
> hard to count individual notes when he plays that fast, but as far as i could
> tell, all his solos were note for note what they are on Heavy ConstruKction
> with the exception of his solo on The World's My... (i think, which ever song
> it was that i thought was different, it wasn't far off the solo on Heavy
> ConstruKction). Can anyone confirm that Fripp's solos for Kc's newer stuff
> are composed out?
I know that much of the material (such as the entire third disc of
Heavy ConstruKCtion) is completely improvised. He may be working with
composed solos in the written-out songs, but that's far from the
complete show.
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- -
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:29:38 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Jon Is My Co-Pilot
Hey all:
I'm two years late jumping on this particular bus, but since some of you
might not have checked this out, I beg of you a moment for a brief plug...
About two years back, I asked my/our friend Jon Abbey for his
recommendations regarding a "starter kit" for the new electro-improv scene
of which he plays such a great part with his Erstwhile label. He supplied
five titles, but given the difficulties in finding some of these things, I
was slow in reacting. REAL slow.
But I found myself in Mondo Kim's with some cash to burn on Friday
afternoon, and finally acted on a few of his recommendations. I've not
listened to the lot of them yet, but after one in particular, I felt that I
had to share in public.
To wit: The self-titled release by Dafeldecker, Kurzmann, Fennesz, O'Rourke,
Drumm and Siewert on the Charizma label is just one of the best things I've
heard in recent memory. It's more than an exceptional electro-acoustic
improv disc - it's just a damn fine disc, period. I spent last night
thoroughly engrossed in it. Go, go, get this.
Thanks, Jon.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - nada
(P.S. the rest of Friday's shopping: I.S.O. - 'I.S.O.' [also from Jon's
list], John Oswald - '69-96,' Fennesz/O'Rourke/Rehberg - 'The Magic Sound of
Fenno'berg' [a Brian O. recommendation], and Djam Karet - 'New Dark Age'...
not a bad haul for one day...)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 05:26:15 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gillham?= <blackoperations13@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Merzbow Video Special
Merzbow Video Special
http://www.newempire.com/articles/special.asp?SID=LIAOHBKSGF7X18062001061353&art=155
This video special is taken from a broadcast of german
music tv station VIVA2 in early Jan. 2001.
This "Wah Wah" (in short WAH2) TV special on Merzbow
broadcasted on VIVA2 shows a live performance of
Masami Akita (MERZBOW) and Zbigmiew Karkowski in
August 2000 @ the C.U.B.A. in Muenster, Germany. It
features live footage of Merzbow presenting the "Pulse
Demon" release, Masami Akita and Zbigmiew Karkowski
live on stage, statements and info on both artists as
still images in between the video footage (geman only)
and videos of MERZBOW, Pansonic and Microstoria.
The files are in .wmv format (Windows Media Player 7
and up).
Video 1
Running time: 21.24 Min.; Size 30 MB
Video 2
Running time: 24.00 Min.; Size 34 MB
Video 3
Running time: 11.27 Min.; Size 16 MB
All files come with 176x144 pixel video @ 25 fps and a
64kpbs/44khz audio encoding. No commercials in
between. Just the music. Enjoy.
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------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:32:01 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: DowntownMusic.net update
Hello All,
My site was finally updated. More than 500 pictures from this year
New York concerts were added. Check them out.
NP: Misha Mengelberg "Solo" (CD), Broezimann [5:25]
- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:44:47 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt>
Subject: Jazz em Agosto - Lisbon 1 to 12 August
Hi!
Since Effren mentioned it, i thought on posting the program for
the Jazz in Agosto (happening in Lisbon):
1/08 - New York Art Quartet (Milford Graves/John Tchicai/Roswell
Rudd/Reggie Workman/Amiri Braka)
2/08 - Wetaher Clear Track Fast (Lew Soloff/Joseph Bowie/Brigan
Krauss/Terry Adams/Steve Swallow/Bobby Previte)
3/08 - Henry Threadgill "Make a move" (Tony Cedras/Brandon
Ross/Stomu Takeishi/J.T.Lewis)
4/08 - Methwe Shipp solo
9/08 - Claude Tchamitchian "Grand Lousadzak" (Jean-Francois
Canape/Jean-Luc Cappozo/Jean-Marc Foltz/Laurent Charles/Francois
Corneloup/Daunik Lazro/Fabrice Charles/Stephan Oliva/Philippe
Deschepper/Michael Nick/Laurent Hoevenaers/Eric Echampard)
10/08- Raymond Boni/Eric Echampard, Francois Cornelup trio (Claude
Tchamitchian/Eric Echampard)
11/08- Eight Bold Souls (Edward Wilkerson, Jr/Harrison
Bankhead/Robert Griffin/Gerald Powell/Isaiah Jackson/Naomi
Millender/Mwata Bowen/Dushun Moseley)
12/08- The golden quartet (Wadada Leo Smith/Anthony Davis/Malachi
Favors/Jack DeJonhette)
greets,
Ricardo Reis
"Non Serviam"
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:50:04 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt>
Subject: Boredoms anime conection
!
Don't know if this has been mentioned but at 1':17'' of track 7 of
Boredoms album "Soul discharge 1999" there's a specific musical quote of a
music from the anime series "Cowboy Beebop".
back to work,
Ricardo Reis
"Non Serviam"
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:08:03 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: Jazz em Agosto - Lisbon 1 to 12 August
Hi Ricardo (and everyone)!
Thanks for posting this. Do you know the website
address where I can find info on ticket sales, etc?
The program is simply unbelivable!!
Thanks again,
EfrΘn
>
> > program for
> the Jazz in Agosto (happening in Lisbon):
>
> 1/08 - New York Art Quartet (Milford Graves/John
> Tchicai/Roswell
> Rudd/Reggie Workman/Amiri Braka)
>
> 2/08 - Wetaher Clear Track Fast (Lew Soloff/Joseph
> Bowie/Brigan
> Krauss/Terry Adams/Steve Swallow/Bobby Previte)
>
> 3/08 - Henry Threadgill "Make a move" (Tony
> Cedras/Brandon
> Ross/Stomu Takeishi/J.T.Lewis)
>
> 4/08 - Methwe Shipp solo
>
> 9/08 - Claude Tchamitchian "Grand Lousadzak"
> (Jean-Francois
> Canape/Jean-Luc Cappozo/Jean-Marc Foltz/Laurent
> Charles/Francois
> Corneloup/Daunik Lazro/Fabrice Charles/Stephan
> Oliva/Philippe
> Deschepper/Michael Nick/Laurent Hoevenaers/Eric
> Echampard)
>
> 10/08- Raymond Boni/Eric Echampard, Francois
> Cornelup trio (Claude
> Tchamitchian/Eric Echampard)
>
> 11/08- Eight Bold Souls (Edward Wilkerson,
> Jr/Harrison
> Bankhead/Robert Griffin/Gerald Powell/Isaiah
> Jackson/Naomi
> Millender/Mwata Bowen/Dushun Moseley)
>
> 12/08- The golden quartet (Wadada Leo Smith/Anthony
> Davis/Malachi
> Favors/Jack DeJonhette)
>
> greets,
>
> Ricardo Reis
>
> "Non Serviam"
>
>
>
> -
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:06:56 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
Just learnt that Lindsay Cooper died. We will miss her.
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:20:12 -0400
From: "David Beardsley" <db@biink.com>
Subject: Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Patrice L. Roussel <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
>
> Just learnt that Lindsay Cooper died. We will miss her.
Sad news.
David Beardsley
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:06:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: "M.B." <hirakemike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Henry Threadgill
Anyone have any rec's for Threadgill?
I found Makin' a Move and Too Much Sugar For A Dime in
the used cd bin today and could use some suggestions
as to where to go from there........
Thanks
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:36:04 +0200
From: Bertrand Guggenheim <bgugg@club-internet.fr>
Subject: Re: Henry Threadgill
> Anyone have any rec's for Threadgill?
> I found Makin' a Move and Too Much Sugar For A Dime in the used cd bin
> today and could use some suggestions
> as to where to go from there........
Love your 2 and ... many others.
Very Very Circus and Carry the Day also from the 90's in a similar mood:
2 guitars, 2 tubas, etc .... Wonderful arrangements with a "world"
touch.
Jazz purists will probably prefer the 80's Sextett (7 pieces indeed),
not as catchy (?) as 90's stuff. I love especially "Just The Facts and
Pass the Bucket", on About Time. Cadence should still have it on cd and
LP.
No recent Threadgill cd but 8 Bold Souls' Last Option is very much in
the Threadgill style and it is a wonderful cd.
And AIR, the quintessential 70's free bluesy sax-bass-drums trio,
Threadgill, Fred Hopkins & Steve McCall.
- -
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:14:57 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Odp: King Crimson
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Eriedell@aol.com>
> Possibly because most of his solos now are written out? He only
took one
> improvised solo when i saw them in Nashville as far as i could tell.
It gets
That's only a part of the story. I think he got too limited by his
style of uncommon intervals, lots of sustain, etc.He could play some
normal stuff from time to time. Look at what frisell plays: he's much
more versalite. On the other hand, Scofield commits the same sin as
fripp: his solos are great and very refined, but all are the same in
some sense.
I think that being composed is not a problem, I like some of them very
much - for example 'elephant talk'. By now, all fripp solos consist of
ultrafast notes, and his sound got too artificial. As to his sound, it
was the best at fripp sylvian 'the first day', the sound oon 'vroom'
is grreat also. More natural and dricher then the later, very
synthetic sounds.
- -
>
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem
you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:05:30 -0400
From: "& c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Johnny Stecchino
I just watched the wonderful Roberto Benigni film "Johnny Stecchino" which
has music by Evan Lurie. I assume this is the same Lurie from the Lounge
Lizards. Was most of the music performed by Lounge Lizards or part of them?
The sax did sound like John Lurie.
Zach
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
- --- "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
wrote:
>Just learnt that Lindsay Cooper died. We will miss
> her.
How long ago did this happen? I received a pretty
detailed post about this on another list, weeks ago,
but I think _that_ Lindsay Cooper was a man, a
bassist. Is this definitely Ms. Cooper the
bassoonist?
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:58:53 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Scott Handley wrote:
>
> --- "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
> wrote:
> >Just learnt that Lindsay Cooper died. We will miss
> > her.
>
> How long ago did this happen? I received a pretty
> detailed post about this on another list, weeks ago,
> but I think _that_ Lindsay Cooper was a man, a
> bassist. Is this definitely Ms. Cooper the
> bassoonist?
This is the basson/sopranino player and composer Lindsay Cooper, the woman,
not the bass player.
Yes, it has happened a few weeks ago but I just learnt it a few days ago and
assumed that I was not the only one to ignore this sad news.
Patrice.
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