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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #470
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, June 20 2001 Volume 03 : Number 470
In this issue:
-
Sv: Johnny Stecchino
Japanese LP pressing of NIPPLES
Hermetic Theater
Jon Is My Co-Pilot
Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
Fripped out [was RE: Hermetic Theater]
kING cRIMSON
Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
Re: Jazz em Agosto - Lisbon 1 to 12 August
Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
[Fwd: Re: Boredoms anime conection]
Re: Fripped out [was RE: Hermetic Theater]
new tzadiks
million dollar hotel
Re: new tzadiks
Fwd: Sv: Johnny Stecchino
Mappings for the week of June 19, 2001
Re: million dollar hotel
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:14:57 +0200
From: "Mads Ruby" <ruby@andelsgaden.dk>
Subject: Sv: Johnny Stecchino
& c. <parksplace@hotmail.com> asked
>I just watched the wonderful Roberto Benigni film "Johnny Stecchino" =
which=20
>has music by Evan Lurie. I assume this is the same Lurie from the =
Lounge=20
>Lizards. Was most of the music performed by Lounge Lizards or part of =
them?=20
> The sax did sound like John Lurie.
>
>Zach
It=B4s Evan Lurie. He also did the soundtrack for Il Diccolo Diavolo. I =
tend to mix up the Benigni films, but recall hearing music from "Selling =
Water By The Side Of the River" (Antilles 1990) in one of them, but in =
different versions (the album versions are played by Evan, Marc Ribot, =
Jill Jaffe, Alfredo Pedernera and John Beal). Nice record.=20
regards, Mads
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:22:15 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Japanese LP pressing of NIPPLES
Does anybody on the list is aware of a Japanese LP pressing of
NIPPLES?
Thanks,
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:24:43 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hermetic Theater
Just picked up today's new Zorn release 'Songs from the Hermetic Theater',
about which I have mixed feelings. The electronic/computer pieces American
Magus & The Nerve Key are pretty unexciting, generic, somewhat cliche. The
others, In The Very Eye Of Night & Beuysblock are more engaging, my feeling
is the maestro should stick to composing and performing on 'traditional'
instruments and objects...
As for another thread, Fripp's guitaring, for me he peaked around Starless &
Bible Black, his best solo is without a doubt on Eno's 'Baby's On Fire'. He
lost his 'edge' when Belew came on board, that seemed like a cop-out
bringing in another guitarist, so Fripp could fade back...the most
satisfying Fripp I've witnessed in the last couple of decades has been his
Frippertronics opening on the Vai Satriani tour...he should get the
mellotron out of storage!
np: Webern Complete Boulez
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:36:57 -0000
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Jon Is My Co-Pilot
>From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
>Subject: Jon Is My Co-Pilot
>To wit: The self-titled release by Dafeldecker, Kurzmann, Fennesz,
>O'Rourke,
>Drumm and Siewert on the Charizma label is just one of the best things I've
>heard in recent memory. It's more than an exceptional electro-acoustic
>improv disc - it's just a damn fine disc, period. I spent last night
>thoroughly engrossed in it. Go, go, get this.
Yes, this is a great CD to be certain. There's a certain narrative
dimension to a lot of the electro-acoustic stuff. This one to be sure as
well as Jon's "Schnee" perhaps the best one on jon's label. Another great
one is Poire Z with Muller, Erik M and Voice Crack. Just got this and would
just as strongly recommend it.
I've learned a lot from Jon. And I'm happy to report that I'm the proud
owner of all but the most recent two releases of the Erstwhile catalogue, a
catalogue that never ceases to challenge and intrigue. And the most
intriguing and challenging to date is by far Nakamura and Sachiko's "Do,"
which will certainly be one of my top two or three favorites of the current
year.
PS--I'm really enjoying the two box sets of Pierre Henry these days.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:44:43 +0100
From: "riccardo pioli" <rpe@tamnet.it>
Subject: Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
dear friends,
our favourite bassonist and soprano player lindsay cooper (woman) is still
alive... chris cutler confirmed it to a friend of mine.
maybe is the scottish bass player (man) with the same name... i don't know.
riccardo
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:54:59 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Fripped out [was RE: Hermetic Theater]
I can see your point in re: Fripp, but to be honest, I've heard massive
chunks of the guitar style you're missing in performances by ProjeKct Two
and last year's shows by King Crimson, and in both cases he was clearly
enjoying himself tremendously. It was good to hear him just wail. The P2
show, in particular, is probably the best Crim-related performance I've ever
seen, Belew's mostly merely serviceable drumming notwithstanding.
I didn't see the arrival of Belew as any kind of cop-out, really. It mostly
enabled Fripp to realize those interlocking minimalist tunes he was suddenly
writing in '81. Neither Fripp nor Belew truly wailed the way we know they
both can (I still think Belew reached his personal stunt-guitar-hero peak
with Talking Heads 'Remain in Light,' but don't begrudge him for what he's
done since). They were both rather restrained, and remain so to a degree
aside from the improvs. The reintroduction of large stretches of improv in
the current quartet is the best thing to happen with Fripp and Crimson in
decades. I think that after years of self-negation within the Crimson
context, Fripp is just now beginning to have fun and let loose with some
serious shredding again, if only from time to time. He's magnificent on the
live Sylvian-Fripp disc, 'Damage.'
If Fripp were to be accused of bringing someone in as a cop-out, that charge
might more accurately have been leveled in regards to Trey Gunn in his
earliest days, when he really was a Fripp clone so accurate it was eerie, if
not appalling. Since then, Trey's really become his own man, but I still
suspect that many folks might think it's Fripp soloing on "Deception of the
Thrush."
Sadly, Fripp sold his Mellotrons - at least two of the three, anyway.
During "Dinosaur," he uses a digital Mellotron patch triggered by his
guitar, but it's not the same. For the real thing (along with lotsa burning
guitar), might I recommend Djam Karet's new one, 'New Dark Age' on
Cuneiform? I think it might be my favorite of all of their single albums -
the duo of 'Suspension and Displacement' and 'Burning the Hard City' remain
special, of course, but 'New Dark Age' is a fantastic starting point. Hope
to be able to see them at the Knit next week...
There's also a rumor afoot that the four remaining original Crims (Lake,
McDonald, Giles and Sinfield) are considering hitting the road soon with
Steve Hackett on the guitar stool - with Fripp's blessing, at that. Rumor
has it they'll be called simply "Crimson." Don't know if I can be bothered
to see that or not. Perhaps it's better to cherish old memories than to see
an embittered singer past his prime trying to recapture the glory days, all
in the name of proving he was the prime mover of that band's sound (which,
of course, was more McDonald and Fripp, anyway).
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
(always to be depended upon for a Crim-related thread...)
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of thomas
chatterton
As for another thread, Fripp's guitaring, for me he peaked around Starless &
Bible Black, his best solo is without a doubt on Eno's 'Baby's On Fire'. He
lost his 'edge' when Belew came on board, that seemed like a cop-out
bringing in another guitarist, so Fripp could fade back...the most
satisfying Fripp I've witnessed in the last couple of decades has been his
Frippertronics opening on the Vai Satriani tour...he should get the
mellotron out of storage!
np: Webern Complete Boulez
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:46:57 EDT
From: ObviousEye@aol.com
Subject: kING cRIMSON
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i really enjoy Fripp's guitar work on the League of Gentlemen records, as
well as on No Pussyfooting/evening star with Eno.
it seems that now, however, he is becoming to idiomatic.
ben o.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:36:47 -0400
From: Gamantyo Hendrantoro <gamantyo@sce.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
> From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
>
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Scott Handley wrote:
> >
> > How long ago did this happen? I received a pretty
> > detailed post about this on another list, weeks ago,
> > but I think _that_ Lindsay Cooper was a man, a
> > bassist. Is this definitely Ms. Cooper the
> > bassoonist?
>
> This is the basson/sopranino player and composer Lindsay Cooper, the woman,
> not the bass player.
Sad news, indeed. :(
Btw, which Lindsay Cooper played bass on Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells?
Gamantyo
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:44:55 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt>
Subject: Re: Jazz em Agosto - Lisbon 1 to 12 August
> Thanks for posting this. Do you know the website
> address where I can find info on ticket sales, etc?
> The program is simply unbelivable!!
>=20
> Thanks again,
>=20
> Efr=E9n
=09I found out a general information email for Gulbenkian (the
foundation behind the event): info@gulbenkian.pt . Anyway, there's nothing
on their site about it, or even in http://www.jazzportugal.net , a
portuguese site dedicated to Jazz. I've got the program through the
Jazzman magazine (it's french) that also brings a list of concerts through
France and the rest of the world (i believe they are not exaustive but...
for a perspective of what is going on is very good).
=09=09=09greets,
=09=09=09=09 Ricardo Reis
=09=09=09=09"Non Serviam"
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:13:43 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:44:43 +0100 "riccardo pioli" wrote:
>
> dear friends,
> our favourite bassonist and soprano player lindsay cooper (woman) is still
> alive... chris cutler confirmed it to a friend of mine.
> maybe is the scottish bass player (man) with the same name... i don't know.
Sorry for that. I got the info from what appeared to be a reliable source...
I should have known better.
Patrice (red with shame).
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:46:40 EDT
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: sad news: Lindsay Cooper is not with us anymore...
I can relate. I've tried to kill off a few musicians here myself.
- --
=dg=
In a message dated Tue, 19 Jun 2001 5:15:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com> writes:
<<
On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:44:43 +0100 "riccardo pioli" wrote:
>
> dear friends,
> our favourite bassonist and soprano player lindsay cooper (woman) is still
> alive... chris cutler confirmed it to a friend of mine.
> maybe is the scottish bass player (man) with the same name... i don't know.
Sorry for that. I got the info from what appeared to be a reliable source...
I should have known better.
Patrice (red with shame).
- -
>>
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:04:01 -0400
From: Matthew Moffett <fkmoffet@erols.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Boredoms anime conection]
Message-ID: <3B2FCBFE.7163@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:02:39 -0400
From: Matthew Moffett <fkmoffet@erols.com>
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Subject: Re: Boredoms anime conection
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Ricardo Reis wrote:
>
> !
>
> Don't know if this has been mentioned but at 1':17'' of track 7 of
> Boredoms album "Soul discharge 1999" there's a specific musical quote of a
> music from the anime series "Cowboy Beebop".
>
> back to work,
>
> Ricardo Reis
>
> "Non Serviam"
>
> -
Don't know that one, but I noticed the other day when re-watching _Ninja
Scroll_ that someone named Les Claypool III did the digital editing.
Does anyone know of a list floating around of Zorn's music for
cartoons? I'd be curious to see how much his sounds relate to the
images....
Matt
- -
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:50:10 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Fripped out [was RE: Hermetic Theater]
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 12:54:59PM -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
> If Fripp were to be accused of bringing someone in as a cop-out, that charge
> might more accurately have been leveled in regards to Trey Gunn in his
> earliest days, when he really was a Fripp clone so accurate it was eerie, if
> not appalling. Since then, Trey's really become his own man, but I still
> suspect that many folks might think it's Fripp soloing on "Deception of the
> Thrush."
I wish I still had the tape of Trey auditioning for my band in Brooklyn
in the mid-80s -- the resemblance was uncanny. As I recall, he agreed
to join, but I was trumped when he got a Call from the Master to come to
England. Ah, well...
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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:55:11 -0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: new tzadiks
Anybody got the two new Tzadik releases? Frith: "Clearing", Zorn: "Songs of
the hermetic Theater"
I'm extremely curious about Zorn's computer music. Judging from the cover
photo, this CD relates to the "Theater Of Musical Optics" idea, which I fear
might be an "excuse" for very very bad music... So some comments?
Frith ought to be incredible. I thought it would be one long track, like his
solo concerts normally are, but it isn't. Is this kind of a "new thing" for
him?
Bye!
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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:07:47 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: million dollar hotel
Last night we rented Wim Wenders' recent movie Million Dollar Hotel, sort
of an existential thriller. The best thing about the movie was the music,
played by an all-star band including Bill Frisell, Greg Cohen, Jon Hassell,
Daniel Lanois, Brian Eno, and some guy named Bono (who also produced and
wrote the story) on occasional vocals. Amazon has the soundtrack listed,
but it looks like they included all of the songs and not much of the
wonderful atmospheric instrumental music. Can anyone confirm or comment on
the OST contents?
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 04:35:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Gatzen <aargh881@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: new tzadiks
hopefully I should have them on street date, however
I'm still waiting for one of the releases from last
month
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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:33:21 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: Sv: Johnny Stecchino
It┤s Evan Lurie. He also did the soundtrack for Il
> Diccolo Diavolo. I tend to mix up the Benigni films,
> but recall hearing music from "Selling Water By The
> Side Of the River" (Antilles 1990) in one of them,
> but in different versions >
> regards, Mads
>
And there are also some songs from "Pieces for
Bandoneon" included in the "Piccolo Diavolo"
soundtrack.
Both highly recommendable (though they share too much
material).
Rgards,
EfrΘn
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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:07:48 -0500
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Mappings for the week of June 19, 2001
Hi y'all,
This week on Mappings <http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/>,
you'll hear music by Peter Ablinger, Muhal Richard Abrams, Mark
Dresser & Denman Maroney, Sorrel Hays, Wayne Horvitz, Francois Houle,
Helmut Lachenmann, Bradshaw Pack, Morgan Powell, Salvatore Sciarrino,
Owen Underhill, and Julia Wolfe.
The show went online Monday evening around 10:00 PM (-0800 GMT) and
will remain online at the above URL for a week.
Last week's program (featuring electronic music by Muhal Richard
Abrams, Karlheinz Essl, Ron Fein, Kenneth Gaburo, Jonty Harrison, Luc
Houtkamp, Alex Keller, Tod Machover, Ilhan Mimaroglu, Toshimaru
Nakamura, Steven Naylor, Pauline Oliveros, Matthew Ostrowski, Maggi
Payne, Neil Rolnick, Antti Saario, Simon Scardanelli, Denis Smalley,
Carl Stone, Morton Subotnick, and John Wall is still available in the
Mappings archive
<http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index1.htm>, where you
can also find play lists for the program since it began in March 1998.
Hope you tune in to the program.
Bests,
Herb
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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:16:49 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: million dollar hotel
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:07:47 -0400 "Caleb T. Deupree" wrote:
>
> Last night we rented Wim Wenders' recent movie Million Dollar Hotel, sort
> of an existential thriller. The best thing about the movie was the music,
> played by an all-star band including Bill Frisell, Greg Cohen, Jon Hassell,
> Daniel Lanois, Brian Eno, and some guy named Bono (who also produced and
> wrote the story) on occasional vocals. Amazon has the soundtrack listed,
> but it looks like they included all of the songs and not much of the
> wonderful atmospheric instrumental music. Can anyone confirm or comment on
> the OST contents?
Is the movie as bad as so many people claim?
Patrice.
- -
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