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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #468
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, June 17 2001 Volume 03 : Number 468
In this issue:
-
Eye Yamantaka in Melbourne
James Chance
<NZ> Taylor book
James Chance
Re: unbelievable: CHALLENGE reissed!!!
Re: James Chance
King Crimson
Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
Re: Odp: From Zappa to Zorn
Re: King Crimson
Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
Fwd: Re: SY/Stereolab/Pram
Re: unbelievable: CHALLENGE reissed!!!
Re: From Zappa to Zorn and beyond
Odp: Odp: From Zappa to Zorn
Odp: King Crimson
Massacre tonight!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:42:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: aaron chua <aaronchua22@yahoo.com>
Subject: Eye Yamantaka in Melbourne
pardon the promotional nature of this post,
but for those interested there will be a gig TOMORROW
ie Sunday 17 th June at REVOLVER(229 Chapel st
Prahran).
Eye + curse ov dialect + the bearded ladies
DJs Xonk & Kwokenzocker
8pm start
$8
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:30:59 +1000 (EST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Edgar=20Lee?= <edgaralee@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: James Chance
I'm usually in Australia, however, for the last 2
months I've been in the U.S.A, including the last 2
weeks in New York. Over that period I've had the
pleasure of seeing Joe Maneri perform one heck of an
amalgam of modern classical meets Brooklyn cool, Other
Dimensions in Music showing that their style of bebop
colliding with ecstatic style is pre eminement, a
beuatifully spirital set by JoeMc Phee occasianally
marred by his rhythm section trying to be superheroes,
Yo La Tengo showing that even though they'd Like to be
cool free jazzers have no idea, Masada although being
slowed down by their reliance on reading from charts
become one heck of a live act purely through Joey
Baron's incredibly diverse drumming and even better
smiles, Sexmob's fun cover versions despite Steve
Bernstein's lame dwarf jokes, and a beautiful set by
Daniel Carter at DMG. However, this was partly spoiled
by a lame set by James Chance at the Knit. James was
big in Australia for a while in the late 70s and was
responsibe for turning a few heads to Ayler, Coleman
and James Brown. However, this was one of the lamest
and stupidest gigs I've been to in a while. James
tried but the band was leaden, stodgy and stank.
I'm looking forward to Bruce Gallanter's birthday bash
at the DMG this Sunday evening to recover from this
deep funk.
Edgar
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:27:38 -0700
From: "Ryan B." <rblum@fas.harvard.edu>
Subject: <NZ> Taylor book
I just finished Graham Lock's book and loved it. Is there a book out there
on Cecil Taylor's music and/or life that's worth recommending?
Ryan
- -
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:52:14 EDT
From: RogerHParry@cs.com
Subject: James Chance
This is an extract from the play, 'Zornlist' now (mid-June, 2001) running at=
=20
the Internet Theatre.
HENRY ('scouse' English): Absolutely! Yer abserlewtly right, like! Absolutel=
y!
EDGAR (with a 'strine' accent and ignoring Henry): I'm usually in Australia=
=E2=80=A6
HENRY: Ah, how fare the aboriginal persons of that benighted State?
EDGAR (rightly ignoring Henry): However, for the last two months I've been i=
n=20
the USA=E2=80=A6
HENRY: Ah, that land of the gurney for your final judicial journey!=20
EDGAR (ignoring sarcastic Henry): Including the last two weeks in New York.=20
HENRY: Coelum non animum mutant, qui trans mare courant.
EDGAR (ignoring exhibitionist Henry): Over this period I've had the pleasure=
=20
of seeing=E2=80=A6
HENRY: Funny, don't you think, how some individuals speak of 'seeing' when=20
they are speaking of a sensory experience predominantly intended to be=20
assimilated for its sound content?
EDGAR (ignoring pretentious Henry): Joe Maneri perform one heck of an amalga=
m=20
of modern classical meets Brooklyn cool=E2=80=A6
HENRY: Wow! How did he look? And don't you just love those categories?! Now=20
there's a couple here to toy with over the years, coming to other terms for=20
them! JonAbbey'll love it! =20
EDGAR (ignoring snide Henry): Other Dimensions in Music showing that their=20
style of bebop colliding with ecstatic style is pre-eminent=E2=80=A6
HENRY: Two more categories, one with style! Who else, one wonders royally an=
d=20
rhetorically, might have that 'style of bebop colliding with ecstatic style'=
=20
against which we could measure the extent of this pre-eminence that you have=
=20
found.
EDGAR (ignoring superior Henry): a beautifully spiritual set by Joe McPhee=20
occasionally marred by his rhythm section trying to be superheroes=E2=80=A6
HENRY: And no one likes superheroes, do they, 'cept infants, maybe?=20
EDGAR (ignoring boring Henry): Yo La Tengo showing that - even though they'd=
=20
like to be cool free jazzers - they have no idea=E2=80=A6
HENRY: Absolutely! You are absolutely right! Absolutely!=20
EDGAR (ignoring repetitive Henry): Masada, although being slowed down by=20
their reliance on reading from charts, become one heck of a live act purely=20
through Joey Baron's incredibly diverse drumming and even better smiles=E2=
=80=A6=20
HENRY: Such poesy! '=E2=80=A6diverse drumming and even better smiles=E2=80=
=A6'
EDGAR (ignoring lyrical Henry): Sexmob's fun cover versions despite Steve=20
Bernstein's lame dwarf jokes
HENRY: Oh! How I, myself being one, especially in the brains department,=20
would love to hear a lame dwarf joke!=20
EDGAR (ignoring humorless Henry): and a beautiful set by Daniel Carter at DM=
G.
HENRY: Absolutely! You are absolutely right! Absolutely!
EDGAR (ignoring exasperating Henry): My stay was partly spoiled by a lame se=
t=20
by James Chance at the Knit... =20
HENRY (aside): You takes your chance and...
EDGAR (ignoring this mumbling Henry): James was big in Australia for a while=
=20
in the late 70s and was responsible for turning a few heads to Ayler, Colema=
n=20
and James Brown.=20
HENRY: For which I forgive him.
EDGAR (ignoring magnanimous Henry): However, this was one of the lamest and=20
stupidest gigs I've been to in a while.=20
HENRY: There's much limping afoot here, methinks!
EDGAR (ignoring punning Henry): James tried but the band was leaden, stodgy=20
and stank.
HENRY: Absolutely! You are absolutely right! Absolutely!
EDGAR (ignoring Henry completely): I'm looking forward to Bruce Gallanter's=20
birthday bash=E2=80=A6
HENRY: Please do give the gentleman, with whom I have the pleasure to be=20
acquainted, all my very best wishes on the occasion of this anniversary of=20
his birth.
EDGAR: I most certainly will, at the DMG this Sunday evening=E2=80=A6
HENRY: That should help you to recover from this deep funk.
EDGAR: True, blue! (they embrace)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:00:41 EDT
From: RogerHParry@cs.com
Subject: Re: unbelievable: CHALLENGE reissed!!!
In a message dated 15/06/01 17:38:48 GMT Daylight Time,
proussel@ichips.intel.com writes:
<< Martin Davidson just sent the list of upcoming records on his label,
and I have barely recovered. >>
Perhaps it is global warming, but the recent deluge from Emanem, that seems
happily set to continue and through which I doggedly continue to wade, has
brought me, a man of Stirner stuff, inter alia, 'Fixations (14).' This is a
record of some of John Butcher's recent peregrinations. He's a man of
brilliant technical playing ability admirably able to pilot me (there's Mark
Twain, again,) into territories both strange and familiar and always
beautiful.
Best regards
Roger Parry
NR: Panamarenko - for clever scholars, astronomers and doctors.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:03:17 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: James Chance
Dear Mr. Parry,
I read with great interest your partial transcription of the play "Zornlist".
I'm not sure, however, why you chose to leave out the structural development
that has the entire theatre world abuzz.
as I'm sure you're well aware, per the playwright's instructions, every ten
minutes the stage goes dark, the actors sit in silence, and the house lights
go up. on cue, in unison, the audience rises to their feet, turns to face
east, and reads together from their programs:
"thank you for enlightening us! before you came along, we were content to
wallow in our ignorance, but now, with your help, we hope someday to
understand the world just a wee bit better."
the audience then retakes their seats, and the play resumes.
critical reaction to this stunning innovation has been mixed thus far,
ranging from one who wrote, "what a brilliant play! this is the most exciting
development in the 77 years I've been covering the theatre.", to the graffiti
spray-painted on the walls of the theatre after opening night, which simply
read, enigmatically and inexplicably, "WOT A WANKER".
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:16:42 EDT
From: ObviousEye@aol.com
Subject: King Crimson
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I have the opportunity to see King Crimson at a really cool old venue near my
home.
A: should i see them?
B: what is the current touring line-up?
C: what songs are frequently on the recent set-lists?
thanks.
ben o.
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<BR>B: what is the current touring line-up?
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- -
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:03:59 -0400
From: Matthew Moffett <fkmoffet@erols.com>
Subject: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
> >
> > some people are big on Ian McEwan and Kathy Acker
> > but I've found them to be of little interest
> >
> Not familiar with the above. I tried reading Acker in
> HS. Tried a few segments of Blood and Guts in HS here
> and there, it just didnt do anything for me..
>
"Blood and Guts" is far from her best, and is really only necessary for
completists. If you really want to explore her best, try _Empire of the
Senseless_ or _In Memoriam to Identity_.
Lance Olsen's short fiction can be pretty disturbing. His collectoin
"Sew Shut My Eyes" is still pretty available (and has a bi-line by
Delaney for extra insentive).
The Mugwump books by Doug Rice are probably the most disturbing things
I've read in recent months. Not knock you flat disturbing, but creeps
quietly into your brain and gives you strange dreams disturbing. Paul
Bowles still frequently frightens me, esp his short work, and M. Gira
from the Swans has a collection called "The Consumer" that, while not
brilliant by any stretch, has some good, dark content.
Matt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:58:05 -0500
From: sergio luque <sergioluque@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: From Zappa to Zorn
el 14/6/01 12:04, Marcin Gokieli en marcingokieli@go2.pl escribi=F3:
> In an interview JZ did for polish jazz mag 'jazz forum' some 5 years
> ago, he said that zappa and beefheart are people that interest him in
> rock (Coleman and Elllington in jazz, Varese and stravinsky in
> classical)
interesting to hear this coming out from the same person that at the
beginning of the preface to _arcana_ wrote:
"rock. jazz. punk. dada. beat. these words and their longer cousins, the
ism-family (surrealism, postmodernism, abstract expressionism, minimalism),
are used to commodify and commercialize an artist's complex personal vision=
.
this terminology is not about understanding. it never has been. it's about
money. once a group of artists, writers, or musicians has been packaged
together under such a banner, it is not only easier for work to marketed -i=
t
also becomes easier for the audience to 'buy it' and for the critic to
respond with prepackaged opinions. the audience is deprived of its right to
the pleasure of creating is own interpretation, and the critic no longer ha=
s
to think about what is really happening or go any deeper than the
monochromatic surface of the label itself, thus avoiding any encounter with
the real aesthetic criteria that make any individual artist's work possible=
"
=20
- --=20
sergio
sergioluque@mac.com
mexico city
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:11:48 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: King Crimson
On Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 12:16:42PM -0400, ObviousEye@aol.com wrote:
> I have the opportunity to see King Crimson at a really cool old venue near my
> home.
>
> A: should i see them?
Yes.
> B: what is the current touring line-up?
Robert Fripp, Trey Gunn, Adrian Belew, Pat Mastelotto.
> C: what songs are frequently on the recent set-lists?
Expect to hear nothing from before 1980. I know that they have some new
material, but, until set lists start popping up from their run this
weekend in Nashville, don't know what they are.
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:50:00 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
Another disturbing book that hasn't been mentioned yet this go-round is
House of Glass, by Mark Danielowski. Very well done horror story in the
trappings of scholarly wrapping, and some of the most interesting
typographical effects I've seen in a long time.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:29:48 +0100
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Fwd: Re: SY/Stereolab/Pram
* <efrendv@yahoo.es>:
>>>Maybe, even better than all of those Stereolab
>>>records are those by Pram, a group that shares
>>>lead Stereolab female singer Laetitia Sadier.
* <chuckp8@juno.com>:
>>Rosie Cuckston is not with the group any longer?
* <efrendv@yahoo.es>:
>Your absoultely right! I don't know where I took that
>from. However, I think that at some point there was
>some connection between Sadier and Pram.
Yes, both Cuckston & Sadier are part of Monade.
A few split 7"s here and there including one with S'lab.
- -Patrick
- -
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:54:21 -0700
From: "s~Z" <KEITHMAR@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: unbelievable: CHALLENGE reissed!!!
>>>'Fixations (14).' This is a record of some of John Butcher's recent
peregrinations.<<<
His peregrinations last night in the Atrium of Ventura's City Hall were
sublime. Butcher's use of extended technique to create such carefully
crafted beauty is above reproach. Such techniques in the hands of others are
often laced with humour and/or bombast, but John visits every corner of the
dynamic range, and the music reminds me more of sacred music than Spike
Jones. Exquisite performance. And a delightful gentleman as well.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:34:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Novak <ryan_novak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: From Zappa to Zorn and beyond
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:09:08 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Tom Gatzen <aargh881@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: From Zappa to Zorn>>>
>
>It's probably because their last names end with Z
that
>they turned out to be great artists. They had more
>time to create while they were waiting to be called
on
>in school.
Over on the Fred Frith list there was the occasional
obsession over connections between Frith and Robert
Fripp, probably mostly because of their names. Kind
of funny I thought but maybe not. And in Guitar
Player magazine I read that Henry Kaiser said that
Fripp had "ripped off" the idea of tuning the guitar
in fifths from Frith and they called it the "great
Frith Fripp fifth froth". Now that is funny isn't it?
(and a good tongue-twister)
Unrelated, but maybe someone could recommend some
Louis Sclavis recordings for me, particularly
something with Bruno Chevillon at his best (if he
isn't always at his best).
thanks,
Ryan N.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:44:32 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Odp: From Zappa to Zorn
- ----- Original Message -----
>From: sergio luque <sergioluque@mac.com>
>interesting to hear this coming out from the same person that at the
>beginning of the preface to _arcana_ wrote: [snip]
In the interview he said the words quoted by me in quite a light
context, saying that everything interests him, and in jazz x and y,
in classical b and c , etc.
- -
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:40:17 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: King Crimson
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <ObviousEye@aol.com>
> I have the opportunity to see King Crimson at a really cool old
venue near my
> home.
> A: should i see them?
The answer isd simple: Yes, and write us (or me at least) what was it
like when you come back from thwe show.
> B: what is the current touring line-up?
Fripp, Belew, Gunn, Mastelotto. Gunn uses various touch basses and an
ashbory, Mastelotto used to played roland Vdrums, but has taken a
acoustic snare recently (or, more precisely, Fripp let him use one
recently)
> C: what songs are frequently on the recent set-lists?
They tend to play recent stuff, in US they played a few songs from
'80s. They do a cover of Bowie's 'heroes' They should be playing new
material now.
The current lineup s very strong live. Mastelotto-Gunn section is very
powerful. Compared to the previous 'double trio' version it's more
'power rock': in fact, the band is not unlike primus + bitches brew +
ornette. Exciting, long, improvs. Belew is great. I'm getting tired of
Fripp recently, as i find his solos predictable, but the band is a
wonder live.
You can see what they're worth by checking the 'heavy construction' 3
cd set that includes material from their last euro tour. The 3rd cd
contains improvs.
Marcin
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:34:20 -0000
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Massacre tonight!
Is anybody going to the Massacre (w. Chris Cutler!) show tonight in London?
Please post comments!
I saw the recent version of Massacre few years ago at the Moers festival and
it rocked. I'm curious how they might have changed in those years.
Personally, I think it would be interesting if they started composing a bit
for the group, but I don't think Bill Laswell is too interested in that.
So please, reviews would be nice!
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