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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #467
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Zorn List Digest Friday, June 15 2001 Volume 03 : Number 467
In this issue:
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Re: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
Re: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
Fwd: Goodbye 20th Century
Yuka Honda
CDs for sale
Re: Goodbye 20th Century
Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
Odp: From Zappa to Zorn
Odp: VIBES - KNITSAMPLER, ever came out?
SY Lost Tracks
A Chance Operation
Re: A Chance Operation
supersilent 5
Re: Odp: VIBES - KNITSAMPLER, ever came out?
unbelievable: CHALLENGE reissed!!!
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:24:43 -0700
From: "s~Z" <KEITHMAR@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
William T. Vollmann - The Royal family
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:27:47 -0400
From: jason tors <jasontors@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
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Cant forget about Rick Moody, his writing about modern lives is quite
touching and disturbing. I just finished Denis Johnson's first novel,
angels, a very mature work, full length novel of some tragic
americans filled with wonderfully written imagery of the mundane.
Another one to check out is Jerzy Kosinski's Steps.
> > Does anyone have any book recs within a similar vein
>> as Hogg or equally disturbing on a multitude of
>> levels?
>
>Other than the Burroughs, Sade, Celine, Genet, etc lineage? How about:
>
>Iain Banks - The Wasp Factory
>Iain Sinclair - Downriver
>Rochester - poetry
>Denis Johnson - Jesus' Son
>David Thomson - Suspects
>
>some people are big on Ian McEwan and Kathy Acker but I've found
>them to be of little interest
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<div>Cant forget about Rick Moody, his writing about modern lives is
quite touching and disturbing. I just finished Denis Johnson's first
novel, angels, a very mature work, full length novel of some tragic
americans filled with wonderfully written imagery of the mundane.
Another one to check out is<font color="#000000"> Jerzy Kosinski's
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>> Does anyone have any book recs
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> as Hogg or equally disturbing on a multitude of<br>
> levels?</blockquote>
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Other than the Burroughs, Sade, Celine, Genet, etc lineage? How
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Iain Banks - The Wasp Factory<br>
Iain Sinclair - Downriver<br>
Rochester - poetry<br>
Denis Johnson - Jesus' Son<br>
David Thomson - Suspects</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>some people are big on Ian McEwan and
Kathy Acker but I've found them to be of little interest</blockquote>
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:41:13 +0200
From: patRice <iqhouse@yahoo.de>
Subject: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
wlt4@mindspring.com wrote:
>=20
> > Does anyone have any book recs within a similar vein
> > as Hogg or equally disturbing on a multitude of
> > levels?
>=20
To be honest, I haven't read anything by Hogg - wasn't even familiar
with the name...
But I did finy Bret Easton Ellis' "American Psycho" quite disturbing to
read. After about two thirds into the book I seriously asked myself why
I kept on reading...
patRice
np: k. d. lang, Ing=E9nue (sp?)
nr: Haruki Murakami, Sputnik Sweetheart (which I wouldn't describe as
disturbing, but it nevertheless has made me think, think, think...)
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:42:00 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: Fwd: Goodbye 20th Century
All in all, after 3 nights in a row of SY
> experience, tonight I will miss them.
> Efren; jump fences, crawl under them, dig a tunnel.
> Just be there!!!
>
> manolis
Thanks a lot for encouraging!!
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to go at last (a
Simultaneous Interpreting exam changed its schedule
for tomorrow morning!)
A pity according to your review.
Even worse, I didn't know that they had gone on tour
with O'Rourke and Winant. Within an hour, these guys
will be destroying Barcelona's techno freaks'ears.(i
hope so)
Thanks god they come really often. I hope Fantomas
will compensate my disaster next month. Anybody saw
them live?
Greetings,
EfrΘn
np: Ali Farka Toure "NiafunkΘ" (not too impressed so
far)
n.r: Allen Ginsberg "Death and Fame: Poems 1993-1997"
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:54:15 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: Yuka Honda
Wasn't she supposed to release an album through Tzadik? Did she realease it
already? (I can't seem to find it in www.tzadik.com)
Neil H. Enet
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NP. DEPECHE MODE - Exciter
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:33:39 -0400
From: "Alan Lankin" <lankina@att.net>
Subject: CDs for sale
I have a list of CDs for sale that I think might interest some members of
this group. Many are out-of-print; I believe the prices are pretty
reasonable. (And I hope this isn't considered spam.)
Carla Bley - Tropic Appetites (Watt)
- Julie Tippetts, Gato Barbieri, Howard Johnson, Dave Holland, Michael
Mantler, Toni Marcus, Paul Motian - German import - $10.75
Arthur Blythe - Hipmotism (Enja)
- Hamiet Bluiett, Kevin Bell, Gust William Tsilis, Bob Stewart, Famoudou
Don Moye - $8
Uri Caine - The Sidewalks of New York: Tin Pan Alley (Winter & Winter) - $11
Ornette Coleman - Sound Museum: Three Women (Harmolodic/Verve) - with Geri
Allen, Charnett Moffett - $8
Miles Davis - Dark Magus (Columbia)
- 2 CDs in limited edition digipack. SBM remastered. - sealed - $15
Miles Davis/Bill Laswell - Panthalassa: The Music of Miles (Columbia) - $8
Miles Davis - Aura (Columbia) - $7.50
Miles Davis - Miles In The Sky (Columbia)
- remastered with 2 bonus tracks - $8
Gil Evans Orchestra - Plays the Music of Jimi Hendrix (RCA)
- John Abercrombie, Hannibal Marvin Peterson, David Sanborn,
Billy Harper - $8
Gil Evans - There Comes a Time (RCA)
- George Adams, Hannibal Marvin Peterson - $8
Chico Freeman Quintet featuring Arthur Blythe
- The Unspoken Word (Ronnie Scott's) - two very good sessions - $8
Chico Freeman - Groovin' Late (Castle)
- Live quartet recording from 1986 at Ronnie Scotts' with Kenny Barron -
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Chico Freeman Quintet featuring Arthur Blythe - Focus (Fantasy) - hp - $8
Chico Freeman - The Pied Piper (Black Hawk)
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Paul Motion & the Electric Bebop Band - Reincarnation of a Love Bird (JMT)
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David Murray - Special Quartet (DIW/Columbia)
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David Murray - Jazzosaurus Rex (CBS) - $8
David Murray - Ming's Samba (Sony) - OOP. - $8
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Bob Nell - Why I Like Coffee (New World)
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The New York Composers Orchestra - Erlich,Holcomb,Wieselman (NewWorlds) - $7
Bern Nix Trio - Alarms and Excursions (New World)
- With Fred Hopkins and Newman Baker. - $6.50
John Patton - Accent On The Blues (Blue Note Rare Grooves)
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Mario Pavone - Toulon Days (New World)
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Bobby Previte - Empty Suits (Gramavision)
- Marty Ehrlich, Robin Eubanks, Jerome Harris, Joey Baron and others -
co - $8
Tomasz Stanko - From The Green Hill (ECM)
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Christensen - German import - $10
Markus Stockhausen /Arild Andersen/Patrice HΘral with Terje Rypdal - Karta
(ECM) - German import - $10.75
Jimi Sumen/Edward Vesala - Paintbrush, Rock, Penstemon (CMP) - OOP. - $7
Henry Threadgill Very Very Circus Plus - Carry The Day (Columbia)
- Mark Taylor, Brandon Ross, Masujaa, Gene Lake, Jason Hwang, etc. - $7
Henry Threadgill - Makin' A Move (Columbia)
- with Ed Cherry, Pheeroan Aklaff,Myra Melford, Brandon Ross, James
Emery, Dierdre Murray and others - $7
Trio Globo - Eugene Friesen/Howard Levy/Glen Velez - Carnival of Souls
(Silver Wave) - $7
David S. Ware - Flight of I (Columbia)
- with Matthew Shipp, William Parker, Marc Edwards - $6.75
Joe Zawinal Syndicate - The Immigrants (Columbia) - $6.75
Joe Zawinal Syndicate - Lost Tribes (Columbia) - $6.75
John Zorn/Derek Bailey/George Lewis - Yankees (Celluloid) - $9.50
John Zorn - Masada - Four-Daled (DIW) - Japanese import - $11
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Email me if you're interested. Shipping is $1.75 for one CD, $2.75 for two
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More titles that are more maintstream jazz are at:
http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/forsale.html .
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:26:08
From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Goodbye 20th Century
<<guy from the public: You live in NYC, where also John Zorn lives. Where
you ever asked to participate in one of his game pieces?
TM: Well, John is a very nice guy ...(blah blah)... he asked me once to
participate in a game piece but I told him: "John, I dont play games.>>
But he does write and occasionally recite really pretentious poetry ... How
does that work as a trade-off???
WY
(Sorry ... but TM and his cool-guy persona are such easy targets. He's done
a lot of good things for free/jazz music, but it is too bad he can't take
himself a bit less seriously. At least Zorn will allow himself to play games
now and then.)
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:18:44 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: HOGG/ was Delany (no zorn)
"M.B." wrote:
>
> equally disturbing on a multitude of levels?
Some of Kathe Koja's stuff, especially _Strange Angels_.
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Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"It's no bed of roses, let me tell you, being a mutant."
-- Warren Dearden
np: 23 Skidoo, _The Culling is Coming_
nr: James Elkins, _The Domain of Images_
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:04:27 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: From Zappa to Zorn
From: efrΘn del valle <efrendv@yahoo.es>
> > Has anyone ever heard Zorn pundits or Zorn himself
> > make a (more than
> > passing) connection between his music and Zappa's?
In an interview JZ did for polish jazz mag 'jazz forum' some 5 years
ago, he said that zappa and beefheart are people that interest him in
rock (Coleman and Elllington in jazz, Varese and stravinsky in
classical)
I remember him saying very good things on early mothers, treating them
as one of the best beands ever
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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:14:47 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: VIBES - KNITSAMPLER, ever came out?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Patrice L. Roussel <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
> It was advertized at the time the KF was in deep financial trouble.
It's not anymore?
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:53:20 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: SY Lost Tracks
Hi everyone!
I've owned Sonic Youth's "Lost Tracks" album for many
years now but the other day I was just wondering
through which company they released it. Unfortunately,
my copy (at least) doesn't feature any credits
(company, distributor, liner notes, recording
date...). Anybody knows where this record came from?
BTW, I seize the opportunity to recommend it.
Thanks.
Greetings,
EfrΘn
P.D: Still regretting not attending the SY concert yesterday.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:36:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: "M.B." <hirakemike@yahoo.com>
Subject: A Chance Operation
Hello-
Is the John Cage Tribute "A Chance Operation" worthy
of purchase? I'm mainly curious about the Yoko Ono
track "Georgia Stone" but it looks like it has a
pretty good representation of artists...
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:35:47 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: A Chance Operation
On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 06:36:35AM -0700, M.B. wrote:
> Is the John Cage Tribute "A Chance Operation" worthy
> of purchase? I'm mainly curious about the Yoko Ono
> track "Georgia Stone" but it looks like it has a
> pretty good representation of artists...
I like the collection a lot. It's a good introduction to a lot of Cage's
work and to the artists on it. And "Georgia Stone" is my single favorite
Yoko recording.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:03:43 -0500
From: "Ben Axelrad" <soulfrieda@hotmail.com>
Subject: supersilent 5
Hi,
Can anyone offer a brief review of Supersilent 5?
I don't know if this is necessary since most people on this list seem to
despise ECM, but I feel I should warn against the Trygve Seim release,
"Different Rivers". It's a very nice disc, but unfortunately it doesn't
deviate from the traditional ECM fare. I was hoping that the presence of
Arve Henriksen (Supersilent) and Stian Carstensen (Farmers Market) signalled
a new direction for their jazz recordings.
Regarding the discussion on disturbing books, the most disturbing book I
have read has got to be Peter Sotos' _Tick_ (or was it _Pure_?). It's a mix
of sadism, kiddie porn, and (just a little) art criticism interspersed with
newspaper clippings about people arrested for abusing children. A very
depressing read.
Ben
np: Joe McPhee, In the Spirit
nr: Goethe, Faust
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:20:44 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: VIBES - KNITSAMPLER, ever came out?
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:14:47 +0200 "Marcin Gokieli" wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrice L. Roussel <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
>
> > It was advertized at the time the KF was in deep financial trouble.
>
> It's not anymore?
Since they are still around, the "deep" can be omitted for the moment.
Patrice.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:28:42 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: unbelievable: CHALLENGE reissed!!!
Martin Davidson just sent the list of upcoming records on his label,
and I have barely recovered. Three with Evan Parker, including the reissue of
the mythic CHALLEGE (with extra material including Parker!).
Patrice.
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Available around June 26:
SPONTANEOUS MUSIC ENSEMBLE Challenge (1966-7) EMANEM 4053
The long overdue reissue - the first since 1966! - of the first SME LP
reveals their free jazz roots with only hints of what was to come. KENNY
WHEELER (flugelhorn), PAUL RUTHERFORD (trombone), TREVOR WATTS (alto sax),
BRUCE CALE (double bass) and JOHN STEVENS (drums) improvise on pieces by
Rutherford, Stevens & Watts. (JEFF CLYNE replaces Cale on a couple of
tracks.) In addition there is a previously unissued performance from 1967 by
TREVOR WATTS (piccolo & alto sax), EVAN PARKER (soprano sax), CHRIS CAMBRIDGE
(double bass) and JOHN STEVENS (drums). Reissue of Eyemark EMPL 1002 with
extra material. 67 minutes.
HOWARD RILEY TRIO verground (1974-5) EMANEM 4054
Graphic scores interpreted by pianist Riley with BARRY GUY on amplified bass
and TONY OXLEY on percussion and electronics. Recorded a year or two after
SYNOPSIS (EMANEM 4044), these two sessions reveal further developments,
ending up with all three musicians using electronics. As well as three trio
performances, there is also a Riley/Oxley duet, and an overdubbed two-piano
piece. 68 minutes - previously unissued.
EVAN PARKER The Ayes Have It (1983 & 1991) EMANEM 4055
Two performances by one-off groups, both featuring EVAN PARKER (saxophones)
and PAUL ROGERS (double bass). There is a 1983 trio studio recording with
percussionist JAMIE MUIR, and a 1991 quartet gig with percussionist MARK
SANDERS and visiting trombonist WOLTER WIERBOS. Both sessions are quite
unlike anything else in the Parker canon. 68 minutes - previously unissued.
CHRIS BURN ENSEMBLE The Place 1991 EMANEM 4056
A concert performance by the eight-piece group, with JIM DENLEY (flutes),
JOHN BUTCHER (saxophones), PHIL DURRANT (violin), STEVIE WISHART (violin &
hurdy-gurdy), MARCIO MATTOS (cello), JOHN RUSSELL (guitar), MATT HUTCHINSON
(synthesizer) and CHRIS BURN (piano & percussion). They interpret three
scores by Burn, and one each by Butcher and Keith Rowe, as well as performing
a free improvisation. EVAN PARKER is an added guest on one of the Burn
pieces. 72 minutes - previously unissued.
SYLVIA HALLETT White Fog (1998-2001) EMANEM 4057
Three aspects of this remarkable musician's work: Wheelsongs is a 6 minute
cycle featuring four original songs appearing within an improvised setting
created solely with bowed bicycle wheel and digital delays. There is also a
violin and voice improvisation (without any electronics), and a tape collage
soundtrack made for a dance film. 64 minutes - previously unissued.
Emanem 4025 & 4026 are being repressed.
This means that all Emanem CDs will then be available,
except for 4004 which will be reissued later this year.
See www.emanemdisc.com for further details.
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