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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #443 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Thursday, May 24 2001 Volume 03 : Number 443 In this issue: - Re: great arrangers Re: great arrangers Re: don byron's "nu blaxploitation" not making this up Re: Forced Exposure Re: not making this up Re: great arrangers Victo 2001 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:33:59 -0700 From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com> Subject: Re: great arrangers Joseph Zitt wrote: > > On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 02:03:04PM -0400, richard ladew wrote: > > Does anyone have suggestions for a radio show Im doing next week on > > great arrangers? > > > > So far I have quite a limited list of the following whom I have been > > featuring throughout the month and for the last show I want to play > > nothing but great arrangers and expand my horizons a bit: > > > > Morricone > > Esquivel > > Brian Wilson > > Roland Kirk > > Gil Evans, of course! Kip Hanrahan (try _Desire Develops an Edge_) Hal Wilner (anything) XTC (_Apple Venus Vol. 1_) - -- Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com np: Giselher Kelbe, _Warum hat die Sonne einen Aschenrand_ nr: David Liss, _A Conspiracy of Paper_ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:47:31 -0700 From: Skip Heller <velaires@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: great arrangers > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3073636051_5515045_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Does anyone have suggestions for a radio show Im doing next week on great arrangers? So far I have quite a limited list of the following whom I have been featuring throughout the month and for the last show I want to play nothing but great arrangers and expand my horizons a bit: Morricone Esquivel Brian Wilson Roland Kirk P.s. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! I suppose the above are listener friendly and accesible although thats not necessarily what I want to stick to - Im open to anything Rich Ladew I make my living as an arranger. I've stolen liberally and happily from the following: Mingus, espec "Strollin'" or "Song With Orange" (the late fifties Columbia versions), George Russell ("Concerto For Billy The Kid" or "All About Rosie" are my favs), Carla Bley ("Fleur Carnivore" espec), John Kirby ("Charlie's Prelude" is pretty great), Les Baxter (anything fr RITUAL OF THE SAVAGE), Billy May ("Malambo #1 fr YMA SUMAC MAMBO), Fletcher Henderson ("Nervous Charlie Stomp"), Terry Adams ("Little One" or "Le Sony'r"), Hall Overton's Monk Big Band charts ("Bye-Ya", "Monk's Mood"), Henry Mancini ("FLoating Pad", "Experiment In Terror"), Shorty Rogers (the Capitol version of "Over The Rainbow" featuring Art Pepper), Gene Redd (Kool & the Gang, "Jungle Boogie"), Sun Ra (the version of "Round Midnight" on SOUND SUN PLEASURE), Maxwell Davis ("Good Rockin' Daddy" by Etta James, "Pretty Brown Eyes" by Richard Berry), Frank Zappa ("You Didn't Try To Call me" on FREAK OUT, "Inca Roads" on ONE SIZE FITS ALL), Raymond Scott (anything on the Columbia CD), Dave Douglas ("The Little Boy With The Sad Eyes"), Duke Ellington ("Remenisicing In Tempo", "Cotton Club Stomp" are my favs), Michel Legrand's LE GRAND JAZZ has a whipping arrangement for "In A Mist", anything Hoyt Curtin wrote for the Flintstones, Burt Bacharach (any of the Dionne Warwicke stuff, the A&M version of "Wives & Lovers", which Dave Douglas transcribed for the Tzadik tribute), Bobby Blue Bland's "Queen For A Day (arranged by Joe Scott), Jimmie Haskell's menacing string chart for Bobbie Gentry's "Ode To Billie Joe", Johnny Mandel's score for I WANT TO LIVE, Oliver Nelson's "Hoedown", Kenyon Hopkins' soundtrack for THE HUSTLER... skip heller np: Cannonball Adderley Live (the Shelley's Manne-Hole one) - --MS_Mac_OE_3073636051_5515045_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: great arrangers</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <BLOCKQUOTE>Does anyone have suggestions = for a radio show Im doing next week on great arrangers? So far I have quite a limited list of the= following whom I have been featuring throughout the month and for the last = show I want to play nothing but great arrangers and expand my horizons a bit= : Morricone Esquivel Brian Wilson Roland Kirk P.s. Any suggestions would be= greatly appreciated! I suppose the above are listener friendly and ac= cesible although thats not necessarily what I want to stick to - Im open to = anything Rich Ladew </BLOCKQUOTE> I make my living as an arranger. I've stolen liberally and happily fr= om the following: Mingus, espec "Strollin'" or "Song With Orange" (the la= te fifties Columbia versions), George Russell ("Concerto For Billy The = Kid" or "All About Rosie" are my favs), Carla Bley ("Fle= ur Carnivore" espec), John Kirby ("Charlie's Prelude" is pret= ty great), Les Baxter (anything fr RITUAL OF THE SAVAGE), Billy May ("M= alambo #1 fr YMA SUMAC MAMBO), Fletcher Henderson ("Nervous Charlie Sto= mp"), Terry Adams ("Little One" or "Le Sony'r"), Ha= ll Overton's Monk Big Band charts ("Bye-Ya", "Monk's Mood&quo= t;), Henry Mancini ("FLoating Pad", "Experiment In Terror&quo= t;), Shorty Rogers (the Capitol version of "Over The Rainbow" feat= uring Art Pepper), Gene Redd (Kool & the Gang, "Jungle Boogie"= ), Sun Ra (the version of "Round Midnight" on SOUND SUN PLEASURE),= Maxwell Davis ("Good Rockin' Daddy" by Etta James, "Pretty B= rown Eyes" by Richard Berry), Frank Zappa ("You Didn't Try To Call= me" on FREAK OUT, "Inca Roads" on ONE SIZE FITS ALL), Raymon= d Scott (anything on the Columbia CD), Dave Douglas ("The Little Boy Wi= th The Sad Eyes"), Duke Ellington ("Remenisicing In Tempo", &= quot;Cotton Club Stomp" are my favs), Michel Legrand's LE GRAND JAZZ ha= s a whipping arrangement for "In A Mist", anything Hoyt Curtin wro= te for the Flintstones, Burt Bacharach (any of the Dionne Warwicke stuff, th= e A&M version of "Wives & Lovers", which Dave Douglas tran= scribed for the Tzadik tribute), Bobby Blue Bland's "Queen For A Day (a= rranged by Joe Scott), Jimmie Haskell's menacing string chart for Bobbie Gen= try's "Ode To Billie Joe", Johnny Mandel's score for I WANT TO LIV= E, Oliver Nelson's "Hoedown", Kenyon Hopkins' soundtrack for THE H= USTLER... skip heller np: Cannonball Adderley Live (the Shelley's Manne-Hole one) </BODY> </HTML> - --MS_Mac_OE_3073636051_5515045_MIME_Part-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:50:52 From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: don byron's "nu blaxploitation" >Hey folks, I just did a search for this at cdnow and cduniverse, >because I >wanted to see if they had any 'similar artists', but instead >found that >this item is no longer listed, does anyone know why? And >while I'm >emailing, I may as well ask, does anyone know any similar >artists/cds to >this one? i think this album has already (?!?) been deleted by blue note, if i recall correctly from some email blue note sent me. it seems like a lot of people really hated that album! after editing out the atrocious spoken word-only tracks, i found that there were still 50-plus really good minutes on there. and there is nothing really that much like it, although you could probably say Gil Scott Heron and Mandrill (since there are 3 of their songs on there) have something in common. Also, I am not sure if you have heard them, but Don's Tuskeegee Experiments and Music for Six Musicians each have a track with Sadiq, the poet. I think he's great, and don't usually go for poetry + music stuff. Anyway, hope this helps. WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:04:23 From: "William York" <william_york@hotmail.com> Subject: not making this up I meant to mention this earlier, but there is a CD on Thirsty Ear as part of their Matt Shipp-curated Blue Series by Spring Heel Jack (British d'n'b duo ... there are greater experts on their music than me) w/ a surprising bunch of zornlist-related all-stars: Tim Berne, Daniel Carter, Evan Parker, Shipp, Wm Parker, Guillermo Brown, Roy Campbell, Mat Maneri... Actually, considering all those guys have appeared on thirsty ear releases, it isn't that surprising. Not sure when it is actually coming out. It is basically Spring Heel Jack plus two of the of their compadres (on bass and violin) doing backing tracks, w/ various combinations of the above joining in. It's not a "jazz + drum and bass" album at all ... More like "environments" or (forgive me here) "soundscapes" for the players to work with, though not necessarily cushy ambient stuff. There are some harsh sounds in there, too. They are not processing the above guys' live instruments or anything like that. Anyway, I need to listen to it more. some interesting stuff at least. Oh, speaking of Berne and E. Parker, didn't they play a show together as part of a 4tet in NY recently? Or has that yet to happen? Anyway, if so, how did it go, and does anyone know if they will be releasing anything together? Their duet on this disc is one of the highlights (although I am not entirely certain that they were even in the studio at the same time). WY _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:05:08 EDT From: Dgasque@aol.com Subject: Re: Forced Exposure In a message dated 5/24/01 8:45:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au writes: << > Has anyone experienced any difficulty ordering from > FE??? Yes, they just never responded or anything. However, I've heard about many successful transactions with them, so maybe they were just on a lunch break or something...? >> That's my one complaint about them too, if I can think of anything. Limited edition stuff can get snapped up there quickly, and with no response to emails, you can end up losing out completely when you find out that their stock is gone and it's too late to order elsewhere. Outside of that, they've provided a 95% fill rate for me. - -- =dg= - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:16:52 EDT From: Samerivertwice@aol.com Subject: Re: not making this up In a message dated 5/24/01 3:05:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, william_york@hotmail.com writes: > I meant to mention this earlier, but there is a CD on Thirsty Ear as part of > their Matt Shipp-curated Blue Series by Spring Heel Jack (British d'n'b duo > ... there are greater experts on their music than me) w/ a surprising bunch > of zornlist-related all-stars: Tim Berne, Daniel Carter, Evan Parker, Shipp, > > Wm Parker, Guillermo Brown, Roy Campbell, Mat Maneri... Actually, > considering all those guys have appeared on thirsty ear releases, it isn't > that surprising. Not sure when it is actually coming out. According to CDNOW it's due on June 5. Thanks for the news! I'm getting my pre-order in. Tom > > It is basically Spring Heel Jack plus two of the of their compadres (on bass > > and violin) doing backing tracks, w/ various combinations of the above > joining in. It's not a "jazz + drum and bass" album at all ... More like > "environments" or (forgive me here) "soundscapes" for the players to work > with, though not necessarily cushy ambient stuff. There are some harsh > sounds in there, too. They are not processing the above guys' live > instruments or anything like that. Anyway, I need to listen to it more. some > > interesting stuff at least. ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music." - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:39:02 EDT From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: great arrangers Mary Lou Williams George Handy (the one who arranged for Boyd Raeburn) Strayhorn, natch Alan Toussaint Misha Mengelberg (or whoever did those Nichols and other arrangements for ICP) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:11:10 -0400 From: Brian Olewnick <olewnick@gis.net> Subject: Victo 2001 Some impressions from this year. First, for those who haven't been, no matter how great or awful the music, it's at least half about the hang. I want to especially thank listers Michael Rosenstein, Mike Chamberlain and Joslyn Layne (among others) for providing such great company and conversation (and tolerance!). It's a huge pleasure. Capsule descriptions of the 24 shows I caught, only missing Eltractor: Tibor Szemzo--I had heard a couple of very beautiful "classical" pieces by him (notably "Tractatus" on Herb's anntennaradio show) and had high expectations. Unfortunately, he was fronting a funk band that sounded like mediocre Laurie Anderson, playing in front of super-8 footage (which was interesting) shot in the streets in Japan and Hungary. He has a very nice, deep speaking voice (reciting Hungarian poetry for the second of two pieces) but the music just came off as trite. Bill Frisell Trio--Boring as hell. He may have reached the furthest possible limits of gauziness. Silent Block--Again, based on the CD, I expected more and they were OK, using noisemakers of elaborate design, but going a bit far towards "see what weird noises I can make" at the expense of a solid conception. The use of several horizontally placed woofers as sort of automatic tambourines (filled with various vibrating objects) was pretty cool though. Daniel Heikalo/Arthur Bull - Let's see...imagine Derek Bailey on his worst possible night, then ratchet down a few notches and you have Bull. But he was still less annoying than Heikalo, who skipped around sampling and tootling this or that instrument to no perceptable effect. Figured this would be the festival low point, but I hadn't counted on....well, you'll see. Broken Record Chamber - OK noise trio. Young guys, could amount to something. If they do, we'll have to deal with yet another Jim Black. Erosonic - First really satisfying show, a very warm, unusual duo with Dave Mott on baritone sax and Joseph Petric on accordion. Largely written pieces that ranged from a tango to collage type works allowing for a good deal of free improv. Mott has a gorgeous tone and great control and Petric (on one of those accordions with right hand buttons instead of keys) was wry and melodious. Very nice gig. Keiji Haino/Thurston Moore - I had never seen Haino and had real misgivings about my first KH experience being with Moore, but happily, Moore deferred entirely, essentially providing accompaniment and Haino tore the roof off. He actually opened on drum set with some, um, primal work for about 10 minutes, switched to guitar (with frequent vocalizing) and worked up to paroxysms of hendrixian proportions. He might be the only guy around who can do this without seeming ridiculous (at least imho; a few other audience members mightn't be so kind). 4 Walls - Another excellent set of oddball cabaret with Phil Minton, Veryan Weston, Michael Vatcher and Luc Ex. I enjoyed Minton much more than I ever had before and the material was exceptionally strong both in regard to "solid" structure and creativity. Shalabi Effect - A Montreal kinda psychedelic trance band which was ok for 10 or 15 minutes, but went on for about 75. One common problem here is that many of the groups feel obliged to present "projects" to fill up the 75-90 minutes they're allotted despite only having 15-20 minutes of good material. As though they're reluctant to just play. Stock, Hausen and Walkman - Sorta looking forward to seeing these two for the first time, but their reliance on dance rhythms (fractured though they were) left me unmoved. It just seemed so much beside the point, especially when compared to.... poire_z - First absolute killer show of the fest. With great clarity of purpose, this quartet constructed a virtually palpable wall of sound that was infinitely investigable; could've gone on for hours with no lessening of impact. Visceral, deep, writhing, very much alive and breathing. Butcher/Dorner/Charles - following poire_z with an equally single-minded concert at the opposite end of the sonic spectrum and almost equally beautiful. They did, I think, four pieces, each very quiet, at the faintly discernable limits of their instruments. Only the third time over three years they'd played together and each, per Butcher, have without planning ended up in this polwechselian area. Very powerful. Jean Derome/Louis Sclavis - The closest Victo came to a jazz concert and a pretty enjoyable one. As Mike Rosenstein said, it was startling to hear "heads" all of a sudden. Pretty much in post-Ornette territory, some nice, exciting themes and supple playing from Derome (on alto) and wild bass from Bruno Chevillon. Dave Douglas - Well, if you got as excited as I did when you bought 'Sanctuary' seeing the grouping and then found it amazingly dull, stay clear of Witness. A nonet with some fine players forced to wade through largely dry and academic writing. Douglas should not be allowed near an electronic keyboard again, btw. A few moments of nice lyric playing (which I think is his strength) and a spot or two for Mark Feldman and Chris Speed, but overall a real snooze. Francois Houle - Another project with video, though a bit better than some others. I'd wanted to hear Houle for some time and he and the band were ok, but I get the sense I haven't heard him in the best context. A suite of pieces ranging from tight forms to free (don't they all?), ably played but lacking a core. Otomo Yoshihide/Cathode - Killer show #2. How to describe the gritty delicacy and concentration? Electronics from Otomo, Sachiko and Muller, complimented by Ishikawa Ko's sho (Japanese mouth organ). Incredibly pure on the one hand, but with just enough "dirt" thrown in (the odd glitch or click) to keep matters in this world. For the second of three pieces, Otomo took out his guitar and the performed (I think I'm correct on this) a piece by Taku Sugimoto that was just lovely. Spellbinding. Amy Denio/Francisco Lopez - They seated the audience in an outward facing sphere (the two performers in the center), provided blindfolds, turned off the lights and began the assault. Two pieces, each with a slowly escalating wall of noise. I found myself wanting it louder with more frequent oscillations between speaker towers, but this only occurred in the last 3 or 4 minutes of the final piece, at which point everything cohered and worked splendidly. Kim Gordon - ahem. With O'Rourke, Mori and DJ Olive, she recreated (as we were reminded the next day by Stuart Broomer--it bypassed me as I was listening) the Patty Waters ESP album (piece?) "Black Was the Color". It was perhaps the most excruciatingly pretentious and awful event I've ever seen. Words cannot describe. I lasted about 15-20 minutes and was among the first of a veritable horde of escapees. One of the delicious highlights of the fest was watching the expressions of musicians (no, I will not name names) as they beat a _very_ hasty retreat from the theater. Fantomas - And then we got to see a rock band. I'm no fan though it seems they do what they do pretty well (kind of a watered down version of Naked City type splice cuts) but again, after 10 minutes, it's pretty clear exactly what the rest of the show will be. A large adoring crowd went nuts though, horn-fingers upthrust. Danubians - a very fun Balkan-inspired party band with Amy Denio. Great way to end the evening--she's pretty impressive in this context on alto, bass guitar, accordion and vocals. Nice group. Pierre Cartier - The last day began with yet another "project", this one a setting of a 500-line Swiss-French poem by Cendrars. There were probably about 20-25 minutes of really good stuff there, even if it went on for 90. Bar Kokhba - Tough to really complain about them as they're such good musicians playing beautiful melodies, gorgeously arranged (two new pieces also, a string trio and a "Sephardic Surf" tune). It's just that they're such a well-oiled machine by now that one is sure they can pull this off in their sleep. Zorn's presence on stage seems pretty much unnecssary. Still annoyingly enjoyable though! Sophie Agnel/Dorner/Erik M - Another very fine, sensitive improv trio, a bit woolier than the Butcher band with Erik M slithering all over his turntables, Agnel largely inside the piano and the demure Dorner providing asides wry and rude. Frith/Laswell/Zorn/Lombardo - The closer. Well, that they were turgid and sludgy came as no big surprise I suppose, but there was something a bit reactionary about this group. It was like a band formed 20 years ago before Last Exit existed. Though all improv, it was first a blues, then a fast one, then a dubby one...like that. When Laswell and Lombardo meshed gears things got moving somewhat though, generally, they sounded better as a trio without Zorn. But when he managed to work up a head of steam, he also contributed some impassioned screeching. Not terrible, just a bit pointless. Again, the crowd (a large one) ate it up. It was, as far as ticket sales, the most successful Victo yet which is great (the Bar Kokhba show was their first ever sell-out in the big hockey arena), though one hopes they don't get in the habit of booking college rock bands at the expense of people like John Butcher. Oddly, AMM have never played Victo. My suggestions for next year would include: AMM (and various configurations thereof) Barry Guy's New Orchestra MIMEO Braxton (again in various configs including the Comp 247 trio) Gustafsson's Nonet Most of Jon's Erstwhile folk Just dreaming, Brian Olewnick NP: Butcher/Dorner/Charles - The Contest of Pleasures - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #443 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "zorn-list-digest" in the commands above with "zorn-list". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/zorn-list/archive. 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