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Zorn List Digest        Saturday, May 12 2001        Volume 03 : Number 421



In this issue:
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       Re: Poetry/music (question)
       Re: Fusion/Free Jazz
       hat [now] ART - recommendations?
       music- poetry
       Cheap, safe, clean hotels in NYC?
       Re: free jazz/fusion
       Re: hat [now] ART - recommendations?
       Re: Cheap, safe, clean hotels in NYC?
       Prince Live - Go See! (was Re: Prince live - avoid)
       Company at Tonic 18 April 2001
       Re: hat [now] ART - recommendations?
       RE: Company at Tonic 18 April 2001
       RE: hat [now] ART - recommendations?
       Re: hat [now] ART - recommendations?
       RE: hat [now] ART - recommendations?
       Re: hat [now] ART - recommendations?
       RE: hat [now] ART - recommendations?

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:51:55 +0200
From: Oger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Poetry/music (question)

>
>Issue #3 of the CD series _Erratum_ includes a nice piece "Seulement" by
>Jean-Fran=E7ois Bory (text/read) and Patrick Muller (electronics), which =
>begins
>with Bory reading his sound/rhythm-oriented text over rubbery electronics=
>, with
>some concr=E9te sound drifting in before a heavier beat takes over & the =
>tapes of
>Bory's voice are cut up, sliced, diced, overlaid, treated & mutilated on =
>top.
>
>Gosh, there's plenty of this stuff, once you start ...
>
>- --=20
>- -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
>Jim Flannery


I agree with you.
Plenty of good stuff on Erratum series.
It doesn't seem they have a website. But if anybody needs more
information, you can contact them by e-mail, at : [e-mail]
or   [e-mail]

You can find some other poetry/music on french label TRACE (run by
Patrick Muller himself). http://www.tracelab.com/

Jacques Oger
np: "Mort aux Vaches" - Lionel Marchetti/Jerome Noetinger/- StaalPlaat

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:09:40 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Fusion/Free Jazz

>  > >> I heard a band on the radio the other day that had a
>  > >> free jazz vibe and a fusion rhythm thing going on
>  > >> under it.  It wasn't very good, but it got me thinking.
>  > >> Are there recordings and/or groups that effectively do this?
>  >  >
>  >  > Miles Davis?
>  >  >
>  >  Prime Time?
>
>  Decoding Society?

Music Revelation Ensemble?

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:58:08 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: hat [now] ART - recommendations?

Dear all:

As one of the nice little perks of my current day job, I've recently had a
whole bunch of releases from hat [now] ART - the classical new music series
from hat Art - show up on my desk.  Somehow I'd managed to miss everything
from this part of the label up until now, most likely because I was afraid
they'd be so good that I'd develop another addiction, as has been the case
with hatOLOGY.

And in this, I appear to have been correct.  Earlier this afternoon I
listened to David Tudor's newly released 1956 recording of Cage's 'Book of
Changes,' and right now I'm listening to the Maelstrom Percussion Ensemble
performing music by Lou Harrison.  Not only is the music of the expected
high quality, but the recording itself is spectacular, with gongs and bass
drum ringing out so realistically - at all dynamic levels, not just the
triple fortes - that I feel like I'm right there with the group.  Two
examples, two hits.

I won't mention the other discs I've received just yet.  What I'd like to
ask is that you folks weigh in on which discs in this series are unmissable,
and similarly, which, if any, can or should be avoided.

Many thanks in advance.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Lou Harrison, Fifth Simfony-third mvt., Maelstrom Percussion Ensemble
(hat [now] ART)


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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:51:04 -0700
From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
Subject: music- poetry

perhaps a bit afield from the original query, but Hector Zazou's musical
take on Arthur Rimbaud's lines is a strong and lasting favorite here. some
recitations, some rants, some singing. one in french, the rest in english.
John Cale, Khaled, Bill Laswell, Ruichi Sakamoto, David Sylvian among the
participants....

and speaking of recitations, bill laswell's "hashisheen" is very
listenable, fables and lines about the famous king of the assasins, mostly
ambient backing.

the poe, once a favorite of this list, also has mostly ambient backing but
one or two songs ... and some great reading. "closed on account of rabies."

lord buckley, my god, his mouth a transboptic spike jones orchestra of
poetry, yes.

martin
np. homework/school of velocity (david tucker/evan parker/john edwards/
steve noble)


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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:52:12 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Cheap, safe, clean hotels in NYC?

All,

I'm going to NYC the weekend of May 10 and 20 to interview someone and to
hopefully stop in at the New Yorker Festival for a few of the discussions and
readings.  The interview is being held in Brooklyn, but the Festival is in
Manhattan.  any recommendations on hotels that are affordable, safe, and
centrally located?

Many thanks in advance,
Tom

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Date: 12 May 2001 12:34:25 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Ryan J. McKay)
Subject: Re: free jazz/fusion

- --- You wrote:
I heard a band on the radio the other day that had a free jazz vibe =
and a
fusion rhythm thing going on under it.  It wasn't very good, but it =
got me
thinking.  Are there recordings and/or groups that effectively do =
this?
- --- end of quote ---

For good fusion I suggest Davis' "Dark Magus."  For good free jazz, =
there is too much out there to tell you where to begin.  For a good =
combination, there are some Sun Ra albums (mid 70s era-early 80s) =
which effectively skirt the middle line between the two genres (and =
throw in BeBop, swing,etc as well), although I would say that he =
incorporates more elements of funk than rock. =20
Another good example is Sex Mob.  Check out "Solid Sender" where =
they incorporate everything from dub to Lester Bowie and beyond.  =
The line up consists of:
Steven Bernstein : Mellowphone, Slide Trumpet
Charles Burnham : Violin
DJ Logic : Turntables
Julia Kent : Cello   Michelle Kinney : Cello                               =
                                                       Briggan =
Krauss : Sax (Alto), Sax (Baritone)                                      =
Jane Scarpantoni : Cello                                                   =
 Tony Scherr : Bass (Acoustic), Guitar (Acoustic)                          =
                                            Joan Wasser : Violin           =
                                                      Kenny =
Wolleson : Bottle, Drums, Drums (Snare), Maraccas,                         =
            Tambourine =20

Its on Knitting Factory records I believe.  Enjoy,

- --ryan

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 15:56:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: hat [now] ART - recommendations?

Steve:

Simple enough. I only own one hat [now], which sounds
great: Steffen Schleiermacher's Enfants Terrible, a
solo piano disc which includes a Zorn composition.

Ken Waxman

- --- Steve Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:

 What I'd like to
> ask is that you folks weigh in on which discs in
> this series are unmissable,
> and similarly, which, if any, can or should be
> avoided.
>


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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:30:16 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Cheap, safe, clean hotels in NYC?

In a message dated 5/12/01 2:54:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> All,
>
>  I'm going to NYC the weekend of May 10 and 20 to interview someone and to
>  hopefully stop in at the New Yorker Festival for a few of the discussions
> and
>  readings.  The interview is being held in Brooklyn, but the Festival is in
>  Manhattan.  any recommendations on hotels that are affordable, safe, and
>  centrally located?
>
>  Many thanks in advance,
>  Tom


Make that the weekend of May 19 & 20.

Tom

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:56:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Audino <[e-mail]>
Subject: Prince Live - Go See! (was Re: Prince live - avoid)

On Sat, 12 May 2001, Arthur Gadney wrote:

> what's up with all this Prince worshipping!? I saw him a few years ago, and
> it was one of the dullest concerts I ever went to. they went on stage 4-5
> hours late and played bad, BAD funk. like in "really really bad". and in my
> opinion, htere is nothing worse than bad funk.

Without turning this into a silly "he's good/he sucks" argument, I feel
compelled to defend Prince.  I have seen him 6 times since 1997, and he
has never been less than great, and frequently amazing.  Even if you are
not a big Prince fan, he puts one one of the best (and musically
worthwhile) live shows out there.

Whether or not Prince should be booked to play a "jazz" festival is
another matter entirely.  But if you're there and you have a chance and an
interest to see him, I'd lay odds that you won't regret it.

Paul


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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:14:45 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Company at Tonic 18 April 2001

This ones for all but notably for a certain Mr Steve Smith...but the author=20
hopes all will enjoy. The following passage, edited, is from the log book of=
=20
Captain Roger Henry Parry, Retired Deputy Secretary of the Hong Kong Port=20
Development Board and Principal Assistant Secretary for Maritime Affairs of=20
the Secretariat of the Hong Kong Government, member of Her Majesty's Oversea=
s=20
Civil Service (24 years in Hong Kong, now retired back to his hometown of=20
Liverpool, England.). He had the pleasure and the privilege of introducing=20
the combinations of musicians through the three nights of Derek Bailey's=20
Company at Tonic, NYC -
07:21 Thursday, April 19, 2001 (Last day of Clinamen)
... I left the apartment (where I was kindly being accommodated by friends)=20
at 1820 (yesterday evening), just as I had planned to do. I took the F Subwa=
y=20
Train from just on the corner here on Sixth Avenue to Delancey. It only took=
=20
about 10-15 minutes. Finding Norfolk was quick and easy. So it was well=20
before 1900 that I was in the Tonic premises. I looked in the shop at books,=
=20
magazines and CDs. Simon Fell was doing the same. I went through to the foye=
r=20
and saw Karen. I went into the performance space and spoke to Derek and=20
eventually all the other performers for the night as they arrived. The whole=
=20
group of ten was on stage in due course and set-up. The punters were held at=
=20
bay until all was ready. Seventy-seven paying persons quickly invaded the=20
room. This number was quoted to us later by C. P. I have no idea how many=20
'guests' there were, but I was one of them. Soon the time came to open the=20
show so I marched forward through the throng and spoke. Behind me was the=20
opening group, selected from ten in the period immediately before performanc=
e=20
by Simon H. Fell (SHF, bass):=20
1. Annie Gosfield (AG, sampler), Min Xiao-fen (MX, pipa) and Joey Baron (JB,=
=20
drums/ percussion);
The night proceeded as follows, with me doing the transitions [as fairly wel=
l=20
covered by Mr Steve Smith]=E2=80=A6selectors underlined:
2. John Zorn (JZ alto sax), Mark Wastell (MW, cello), Jennifer Choi (JC,=20
violin), Derek Bailey (DB, guitar);
3. Will's (Will Gaines (WG, tap*)) ten: i.e., the foregoing plus Rhodri=20
Davies (RD);
* - I believe it is 'faucet' in America=E2=80=A6
4. Derek introduced the next group from his position on the stage - MW, RD,=20
MX (he was not sure, afterwards, as to who has selected this trio=E2=80=A6)
5. AG, JC, JB, JZ;
6. JC, DB, SHF, with RD 'absent';
7. MX, DB, SHF, followed by an 'short interval';
8. JB (following a rushed chicken meal at the bar), JZ, AG;
9. WG (two pieces; 'on tap and vocal')
10a. MW, JC
10b. MW, JC, AG
11. RD ('guided' by DB to a 'larger' configuration), JZ, JB, DB, SHF (two=20
pieces)
I closed the proceedings and it was approaching 2300. I whetted my whistle=20
through the evening with 3 or 4 free 'Stella's' though I did pay for one at=20
the end... I spoke with JF in the interval. BY made one of his fleeting=20
visits and we spoke, very briefly. The place gradually emptied. K, T and C=20
shut up shop. K suggested an outing for this morning and we (K, T and I)=20
agreed to meet for Bellmer at ICP at 1130. We got Will out of reciting his=20
entire long life story to an interested young man and headed for a taxi on=20
the corner. We got one almost immediately. First, we delivered T, then=20
WillnC. Finally, I was dropped off on the corner of 6th and W. 23rd. When I=20
came in through to apartment door it was 0001 this morning. B came out to=20
greet me and I sat down and ate some cheese with a crust and drank some milk=
=20
and water. I took my pills, remembering to limit the rat poison!

Best regards to all
Roger Parry

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:50:39 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: hat [now] ART - recommendations?

In a message dated 5/12/01 2:05:27 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< What I'd like to ask is that you folks weigh in on which discs in this
series are unmissable, and similarly, which, if any, can or should be
avoided. >>

I'm a big fan of Cornelius Cardew-Treatise and James Tenney's Solo Works For
Percussion, as well as future Erstwhile artists Polwechsel's two releases,
especially the second one.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

- -

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:40:21 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Company at Tonic 18 April 2001

I surely deserved this.  Color me bloody thunderstruck.  Thanks for the =
update (and your good humor), Roger.  Here's one detail I forgot in my =
original report, prompted by your log entry:

"Joey Baron stood at the other end of the bar, hurriedly eating a =
curried chicken dish.  The smell of curry filled the room, and my =
stomach rumbled appreciatively."

Insert that during the set break.  Hey, at least you didn't have to turn =
your computer upside down to read *my* addendum, unlike that included =
with the paperback edition of the Eggers.

And I got a nice note from Mark Wastell this morning, as well.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Anthony Braxton, "Duo Improvisation," 'Small Ensemble Music =
(Wesleyan) 1994' (Splasc(h))

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
[e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:15 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Company at Tonic 18 April 2001

This ones for all but notably for a certain Mr Steve Smith...but the =
author=20
hopes all will enjoy. [snip]


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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:43:30 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: hat [now] ART - recommendations?

I spent most of the latter part of the afternoon listening to the Cardew and
thoroughly concur.  And you've reminded me that I did indeed already own the
first Polwechsel CD, but still haven't tracked down the second.

Nice piece on improv and your festival by Toop in the Sunday Times, though I
think it's not aimed so much at us as to the masses who don't know this
music at all.  Wonder if it'll mean lines down the block on Monday night?

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Anthony Braxton, "Duo Improvisations," 'Small Ensemble Music (Wesleyan)
1994' (Splasc(h))

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
[e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:51 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: hat [now] ART - recommendations?



In a message dated 5/12/01 2:05:27 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< What I'd like to ask is that you folks weigh in on which discs in this
series are unmissable, and similarly, which, if any, can or should be
avoided. >>

I'm a big fan of Cornelius Cardew-Treatise and James Tenney's Solo Works For
Percussion, as well as future Erstwhile artists Polwechsel's two releases,
especially the second one.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

- -


- -

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:09:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: hat [now] ART - recommendations?

<<Nice piece on improv and your festival by Toop in the Sunday Times, though I

think it's not aimed so much at us as to the masses who don't know this

music at all.>>

thanks, Steve. I thought it turned out really well for a mainstream piece,
and evidently Toop is going to write more for them now.

<< Wonder if it'll mean lines down the block on Monday night? >>

if it does, we'll see how many of them are still around by the end of the
Filament set.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:14:01 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: hat [now] ART - recommendations?

Hallelujah.  And if more room for Toop means less room for academic comp-lit
idiocy like the "Miles Davis as Pimp" article that consumes too much space
in the same issue, then quadruple hallelujah.  (The other Miles article is
dry, but better informed.)

Not that I have anything against academics, mind you.  My girlfriend is
one...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Anthony Braxton, "Three Compositions for Sextet," 'Small Ensemble Music
(Wesleyan) 1994' (Splasc(h))

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
[e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 11:09 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: hat [now] ART - recommendations?

[snip]
and evidently Toop is going to write more for them now.
[snip]


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Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:45:09 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: hat [now] ART - recommendations?

In a message dated 5/12/01 11:19:06 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< The other Miles article is dry, but better informed. >>

I was way more offended by this one. among other things, it posits that
electric Miles was influenced by minimalism, which just shows ignorance of
both in my mind. it also says that in the early seventies, Miles somehow
betrayed "the African-American music that is his true birthright". it's a
shame that thirty years later, we still have to read this kind of idiocy
about what I feel was the culmination of Davis' brilliant career.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

- -

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Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:10:36 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: hat [now] ART - recommendations?

You're right, of course.  I'd forgotten about the points you raise in my
general disgust over the "Pimp" piece, which I read after the one to which
you're referring.  (Folks, if you're interested in knowing what we're
talking about, remember that everything in the Times is free on the web for
at least two weeks...  www.nytimes.com.)

Stating that Miles was influenced by minimalism is just plain
ill-informed... it would be more accurate to say that Miles and the early
minimalists of that period were influenced by some of the same things, i.e.,
Indian raga drone and African tribal percussion.

Miles' use of rock methodology was, in practice, less an act of betrayal,
more an act of reclamation - though of course what Miles was trying to do
was reach a young black audience, not make a larger statement about what
belongs to who.  The writer's logic in the passages you cite is indeed
specious.  But at least she gives props to the mid '80s band as heard on
'Live Around the World,' a band that at its best was still much better than
any of the critics gave it credit for being (and which performed one of the
most riveting concerts I've ever seen, as well as one of the most
perfunctory and boring).

I will say this, however.  No matter how much I might disagree with much of
what was written, it was refreshing to see two women writers given the
chance to sound off at length about Miles (or any jazz-related topic) in the
Times.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - John Butcher & Dylan van der Schyff, "Under Glass," 'Points, Snags, and
Windings' (Meniscus)

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
[e-mail]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 11:45 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: hat [now] ART - recommendations?

In a message dated 5/12/01 11:19:06 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< The other Miles article is dry, but better informed. >>

I was way more offended by this one. among other things, it posits that
electric Miles was influenced by minimalism, which just shows ignorance of
both in my mind. it also says that in the early seventies, Miles somehow
betrayed "the African-American music that is his true birthright". it's a
shame that thirty years later, we still have to read this kind of idiocy
about what I feel was the culmination of Davis' brilliant career.


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