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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #401
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Zorn List Digest Monday, April 30 2001 Volume 03 : Number 401
In this issue:
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Re: Stravinsky, interpretation of the Soldier
miles b brew
z-list/mcphee indonesia book
Re: Miles
Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #400
Non-JZ FS: Blind Idiot God, Ensemble Sondarc ...
nmperign european tour
RE: Miles
Re: Miles
Re: miles bitchy crew
Re: Some May Tzadik Descriptions
Re: Some May Tzadik Descriptions
Re: Some May Tzadik Descriptions
Re: Miles
Re: rene lussier / Craig Taborn
Re: miles bitchy crew
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:16:23 +0500
From: "Mansur Mirovalev" <mmirovalev@msfh-tashkent.uz>
Subject: Re: Stravinsky, interpretation of the Soldier
Stravinsky took one of the Russian fairy tales from a compilation book by
Afanasyev (whose work on collection of Russian fairy tales is similar to the
German fairy tales compilations of the Grimm brothers).
The Soldier goes back home after completing his service, the Devil hears him
play his fiddle
and proposes to exchange his fiddle to a book of wisdom, then fools the
Devil, takes his fiddle back, cures the ill Princess with the help of the
book, marries her and
becomes King. The Devil condemns him and promises to kill him as soon as he
crosses the border of his kingdom. When the Soldier hears that his morther
is sick, he decides to visit her - and the Devil catches and kills him
(sorry if somebody read this story somewhere on a CD cover, i myself read it
on the back of an old Soviet vynil, my first Stravinsky piece).
Somebody (I dont remember exacly who) compared the story to the Faust
motiff - i think this is the best interpretation of the whole thing.
The Soldier is also reportedly the first piece of classical music with
elements of jazz (dont forget it was written in 1918, and the very word jazz
had become known just a year earlier).
I know many list members hate Wynton Marsalis, but can anybody tell me how
was his performance of the Soldier? I also heard the Soldier was supposed to
be the first classical music edition on Sting's own label.
Mansur Mirovalev
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Stravinsky
>
> By the way, any recommendations on a good interpertration of "le
> histoire du soldat"? (sorry for bad spelling).
>
> greets,
>
> Ricardo Reis
>
> "NON SERVIAM"
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:39:56 EDT
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: miles b brew
In a message dated 4/30/01 7:00:01 AM, you wrote:
<<then id gladly be the guy on the street that he
bitches out when he's had a few too many if it means i can wake up a few
weeks later and discover bitches brew>>
always hated miles playing; cant stand lack of vibrato
sound autobio obnoxious and interesting
worse, im starting to, if not like, appreciate his playing.
just what i need; something new to buy. damn.
am reading advance galleys of 'miles beyond: miles electric period'
inetresting perspectives of miles as teacher/guru...
gues you had to be in the band.. also listening to the legacy
reissue of complete b.brew sessions...
sound is amazingly better than first Cd release even tho
ive read elsewhere theres not much diff.
strating to like it. ive always hated the title, but reading this book,
am somewhat assuaged that the title refers to the brew made by
the musicians (akin to calling them mofo's). but with mile's "love" of
women...
i wouldnt call myself unjustified in years of disgust with the title.
facing the audience,
steve koenig
n.p. weather report (sunny, mild, no rain)
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:40:43 EDT
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: z-list/mcphee indonesia book
im told that the best book on indonesia,
perhaps mentioned already,
is composer colin mcphee's
and i probably have the title mangles,
'life in bali' or a year in bali or somesuch.
are you an ethnomusicologist perchance?
i spent time in papua nuigini with an ethno
and cherish the tapes on the sing-sings we were invited to.
regards
steve koenig
now online; my 2 lastest columns in LaFolia.com
n.p. aretha: lady soul reissue (orig extended version of chain of fools
not to be missed! long gospel intro + first chorus,
all chopped off on the single/LP cut)
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:28:01 -0400
From: "& c." <parksplace@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Miles
I think it all should be taken with a grain of salt. It's his bio, not an
official account of anything, but HIM. It's his opinion (as assholic as it
might be), nothing more. I love his music and I guess I'll have to tolerate
him.
His point of view has been helpful in learning about drugs in the jazz
culture, though.
Zach
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:04:02 -0500
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #400
Hi y'all,
Here're a few odds & ends in response to this morning's zorndigest.
According to various Web pages on the Indonesian writer Pramoedya
Ananta Toer, the tetralogy & his recent memoir the Mute's Soliloquy
were published in Indonesia in 2000 by Hasta Mitra, so it took awhile
after the fall of Suharto for them to be available in his native
land. Some of his other books, including several now published in
Indonesia from the same press, are technically still banned. The
current administration hasn't acted against the publisher, by they
have not rescinded the laws banning the books either. It's not clear
how stable this administration is and a government could respond very
differently to Pramoedya's works. Details on Pramoedya can be found
here: <http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Orchestra/9632/>.
Rene Lussier has played in the US at least a little, in the mid-1980s
he performed with clarinetist Robert Lepage in Seattle, one of the
few shows I booked for Soundwork that I had to be out of town for.
He's also played Roulette and, I think, New Langton Arts in San
Francisco & probably a few other venues over the years.
&, for what it's worth, re: the announcement for the new perfect
sound forever issue, I don't recall hearing anything by Glenn
Horiuchi that's atonal, though much of his work IS dissonant. These
two terms get used interchangeably but don't technically mean the
same thing at all. Atonal music is music in which the pitches are not
organized according to a harmonic structure. Serial/twelve-tone music
is one example of this, though there are others, some of which are
less systematized. Dissonant music IS organized harmonically or
modally around a key center, though it includes pitches, chords
and/or sounds that don't fit the harmonic structure or mode. There's
a lot more instances of this than of music that's truly atonal,
especially in music with roots in jazz improvisation.
List readers may also be interested in the Jorge Ben that Jason
didn't list in his blurb on the current issue.
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:45:22 +0100
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Non-JZ FS: Blind Idiot God, Ensemble Sondarc ...
I have the following items for sale that
some on this list may be interested in.
Prices are in _US $_ and are POSTAGE PAID within North America.
Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged.
If you don't like a price, make me an OFFER.
$20 -- Blind Idiot God - "Undertow" JAP CD (Tokuma) 1990
[Japanese pressing of the Laswell produced Enemy CD from 1988.
Hawkins, Katz & Epstein w/ a George Clinton cover, and the
track, "Purged Specimen", featuring Zorn on sax.]
$15 -- Brian Lavelle/Richard Youngs - "Radios 1" UK CD (Freek) 1995
$15 -- Ensemble Sondarc - "For Four Rooms" SWI CD (For 4 Ears) 1997
[66 min. of ensemble-improv from 6 (yes, six) doublebassists.]
$ 7 -- Stefan Jaworzyn - "Disco Death Fury" US 7" (Fusetron) 1995
[Nice guitar piece from 1983 split over two sides. Limited
to 250 copies. Out of print.]
$14 -- Whitehouse - "Erector" UK CD (Susan Lawly: slcd011) 1995
[Follow up to "Total Sex" from 1981. Feat. "Shitfun". Mint.]
$14 -- Whitehouse - "Thank Your Lucky Stars (special edition)" UK CD
(Susan Lawly: slcd018) 1997 [Feat. "Neronia", "Sadist" and
"Still Going Strong" not on first "TYLS" pressing. Mint.]
Thanks for looking.
- -Patrick
pm.carey@utoronto.ca
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Grey ElkGel <greyelkgel@yahoo.com>
Subject: nmperign european tour
nmperign european tour:
5/3 Wiesbaden [Ger] @ Kunsthaus
5/4 Cologne [Ger] @ Wundertuete
5/5 Wuppertal [Ger] @ ?? (afternoon)
5/5 Bremen [Ger] @ Zakk (evening)
5/6 Muenster [Ger] @ Cuba-cultur
5/9 Berlin [Ger] @ Kule
5/10 Berlin [Ger] @ Raumschiff Zitrone
5/14, 15 Florence [Ital] @ Festival "Superfici Sonore"
University of Florence School of Architecture, also
including Metamkine, Dean Roberts, Michael Schumacher,
Giuseppe Ielasi & Renato Rinaldi in various groupings.
- -other dates TBA-
nmperign:
greg kelley, trumpet (www.geocities.com/greyelkgel)
bhob rainey, soprano saxophone (homepage.mac.com/bhobr)
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:20:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: RE: Miles
He also didn'tr get along with Symphony Sid.
So? or So What as Miles would say
Ken Waxman
- --- "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)"
<M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu> wrote:
> >He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late
> period, but was enamored with Prince.
>
> he also hated Ornette's violin playing
>
> Matt Wirzbicki
>
> -
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:57:35 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Miles
On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:16:45 -0600 "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" wrote:
>
> >He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late period, but
> >was enamored with Prince.
>
> he also hated Ornette's violin playing
Infatuation put aside, Ornette's violin playing is not what he is the best
at...
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:34:32 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: miles bitchy crew
>From: Acousticlv@aol.com
ive always hated the title
>i wouldnt call myself unjustified in years of disgust with the title.
Once again, the music should stand on its own merits!
For a book that offers more insight on Miles than his autobile (which
wouldn't be difficult!) try 'Round About Midnight by Eric Nisenson (who also
wrote the interesting 'Ascension: John Coltrane and his Quest). The author
actually hung out with Miles from '78-'81 (running errands and scoring for
him) and talked to other musicians like Dexter Gordon and Jimmy Cobb. It
only covers the period up to Miles' retirement in '75, but that's really all
you need to know...there's also 'The Definitive Biography' by U.K. trumpeter
(and Miles acolyte) Ian Carr, haven't read it yet, perhaps someone else on
the list could comment...
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:11:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Some May Tzadik Descriptions
>"...is scored for piano, string
> orchestra and an
> incredible array of homemade sound devices, all
> performed by Zorn himself."
Wow, he's really outdoing himself this time. I didn't
know he could play string orchestra.
- ---s
NP: Morton Feldman, FOR JOHN CAGE
Next: AMM, NAMELESS UNCARVED BLOCK (sounded like a
rotten disorganized mess when I listened to it twice
two weeks ago, easily worse than the third disc of
LAMINAL; I'm going to give this another go; listening
tips appreciated)
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:41:30 +0200
From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.NU>
Subject: Re: Some May Tzadik Descriptions
You should hear him play homemade bread !
Scott Handley wrote:
>> "...is scored for piano, string
>> orchestra and an
>> incredible array of homemade sound devices, all
>> performed by Zorn himself."
>
> Wow, he's really outdoing himself this time. I didn't
know he could play string orchestra.
greetings,
Rob @ risk
np: endless shuffling my Avant iTunes music list
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:48:44 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Some May Tzadik Descriptions
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:41:30PM +0200, Rob Allaert wrote:
> You should hear him play homemade bread !
Hmm.. for all the controversy about his work, I don't think anyone
has accused Zorn of Loafing.
> Scott Handley wrote:
>
> >> "...is scored for piano, string
> >> orchestra and an
> >> incredible array of homemade sound devices, all
> >> performed by Zorn himself."
> >
> > Wow, he's really outdoing himself this time. I didn't
> know he could play string orchestra.
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:46:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Miles
Regarding all this talk of Miles as Asshole:
A widely published jazz writer acquaintance once told
me that he was tempted to lose his taste for some
musicans' work when he'd had terrible first-person
encounters with them. In his case, a simple careless
mistake (his fault), led to a pretty severe
ass-chewing by a famous interviewee (a famous
mainstream saxophonist). My friend felt he could not
listen to this man's music with pleasure after the
incident. I don't have this problem (i.e. I enjoy
Wagner, Miles Davis, and, well, some John Zorn, now
and again), but frankly it makes more than a little
sense that one' reaction to some work might be
tempered/filtered by knowledge (however limited) of
its creator. My own opinion is that this is an almost
entirely artificial connection, and it's a shame to
let an artist's personal problems interview with the
pleasures of audition. Still, cultural productions
_do_ come from people and cultures, so those
connections rise up now and again; and I'm at least as
susceptible as the next guy/girl.
An interesting note: if memory serves, in the newish
1-volume edition of Jack Chambers' Miles Davis bio
(MILESTONES), there is an auhtor's introduction
detailing how (allegedly) Miles read this bio or
portions thereof, then appropriated the information
for use in his own autobiography, even though the
Chambers information turned out (after the public. of
MILES) to be spurious. Another example of Miles the
Man using media to become Miles the legend. Advice:
avoid all Miles sycophancy, ill-conceived and
worse-executed "tributes", and half-ass gush (even,
no, ESPECIALLY by those who worked closest to him,
whose careers owe the most to his legacy), which
should include all liner notes, ever. Except maybe
some insightful notes here and there by whoever did
the original liners to some of the Columbia "electric"
reissues. God, must we kiss the asses of Great Men?
- -----s
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:06:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: rene lussier / Craig Taborn
- --- Matt Teichman <mft4@cornell.edu> wrote:
> I just heard this album, Le Tresor de la Langue, by
> a guitarist named Rene
> Lussier. Wild stuff!!
I really like Lussier's playing. Somehow, I feel that
people who enjoy Marc Ducret's playing in or around
Tim Berne's game might dig Lussier fun admixture of
rock, noise, free improv, and pop and "ethnic"
inflections, esp. in Jean Derome's (defunct?) Les
Dangereux Zhoms (apologies for mangling the French
there). I also think the briar-patch of fingers,
cartridge needles, and abused strings on RL's
collaboration with turntablist Martin Tetreault, DUR
NOYAU DUR (Ambiances Magnetiques), is well worth your
time. They have a newer duo outing, on which Rene
plays daxophone, but I have not heard that. Has
anyone?
>Music based on speech
> intonations? What a
> brilliant idea.
If you dig this concept, you might check out any of a
number of records of concrΦte poΘsie, but I'm not the
one to ask about this. I've only heard a bit of
Pierre Henry's ventures into this.
BTW, just to keep all this together, someone mentioned
an interest in keyboardist Craig Taborn's music; did
anyone mention the "official" Screwgun interview with
said Craig? Hie thee:
http://www.screwgunrecords.com/taborn.htm
- ----s
- ----s
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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:24:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: miles bitchy crew
Ian Carr's book is overly kind, but well-reseached and
written -- at least the first edition I reas. The
definitive book is sipposed to be Jack Chambers
Milestones Vol. 1 and 2, but it has always seemed to
be too large to attempt.
It always amazes me that Eric Nisenson has written
books on such major figures as Miles and Sonny, His
hanging out seems to be just that. Hanging around
without questioning anything. His research if in
existence at all, is sloppy. And his writing skills
less than deficient.
Ken Waxman
Pardon any typos. I write too quickly when I think of
all the potential waste in EN's books.
- --- thomas chatterton <chatterton23@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >From: Acousticlv@aol.com
> ive always hated the title
> >i wouldnt call myself unjustified in years of
> disgust with the title.
>
> Once again, the music should stand on its own
> merits!
>
> For a book that offers more insight on Miles than
> his autobile (which
> wouldn't be difficult!) try 'Round About Midnight by
> Eric Nisenson (who also
> wrote the interesting 'Ascension: John Coltrane and
> his Quest). The author
> actually hung out with Miles from '78-'81 (running
> errands and scoring for
> him) and talked to other musicians like Dexter
> Gordon and Jimmy Cobb. It
> only covers the period up to Miles' retirement in
> '75, but that's really all
> you need to know...there's also 'The Definitive
> Biography' by U.K. trumpeter
> (and Miles acolyte) Ian Carr, haven't read it yet,
> perhaps someone else on
> the list could comment...
>
>
>
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