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Zorn List Digest        Monday, April 30 2001        Volume 03 : Number 400



In this issue:
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       Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)
       concert travel stories
       Re: r davis + Q abt swt basil
       re: amm availability
       Howard Skempton
       Re: Howard Skempton
       Re: Howard Skempton
       rene lussier
       Miles
       Re: RenΘ Lussier
       Re: Miles
       RE: Miles
       Re: Miles
       Eugene Chadbourne Radio (sic)
       Re: Miles
       Re: Miles
       Jackie McLean, Glenn Horiuchi articles
       RE: Miles
       Re: Miles
       RE: Miles
       Tippet's Blueprint
       Re[2]: Miles
       Some May Tzadik Descriptions

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:55:13 -0400
From: Gamantyo Hendrantoro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)

> From: "circumlocutionist" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)
>
> but Pramoedya's
> works are banned in Indonesia!

I don't currently live in Indonesia, but AFAIK with the fall of Suharto's
regime, the ban has been subsequently removed.

Regards,
Gamantyo

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:22:28 -0700
From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
Subject: concert travel stories

periodically, i forward a post from my longtime companero Michael J.
Williams, who subscribes to the zornlist but for some reason can post
himself. i think you'll agree that these stories, reviving a recent
thread, merit the effort of forwarding many times over:

Circa 1975, I drove from Cincinnati to Bloomington, Indiana in the
immediate aftermath of a blizzard in a beat-up Karmann Ghia with dead
windshield
wipers, no heat and a dead battery to see Dizzy at the Bluebird Cafe. I'd
leave
the Ghia running in the parking lots of fast-food joints to warm up and get
coffee.
     Diz was caught up in a snowstorm in Indianapolis and didn't arrive at
the
gig until about midnight, but he was in a great mood and blew his ass off.
Micky
Roker on drums, I can't remember the name of the guitar player, a European
guy I
think, and I can't envision the bass player at all.
     There were absolutely no hills in the Indiana University visitors
parking
lot and the Ghia was iced in, but fortunately IU student and friend, Shaky
Dave
Flege, had some jumper cables. Last time I saw him. Heard he gave up
playing the
fender bass and partying for a slide rule and a family.

     Another time, I hitchhiked from Reno, Nevada to Concord, Calif. for
the
Concord Jazz Festival's guitar explosion night with a cast of wizards
including
Cincy legend Cal Collins. Cal tore it up but I drank too much vodka and
wound up
in Daly City, having lost my backpack I know not where. Had to wash dishes
in
the Guadalara Restaurant when I discovered I had just two dollars left and
kept
it for an emergency, Caught a few hours of cold sleep on an upstairs
apartment
building landing.
     My ride luck that had been with me on the way to Concord ran out:
First
ride was a heavily tattooed, bearded ex-con from Martinez with a 16-year
old
pregnant wife and a bad radiator that required him to pull over to the
side of
the road every 20 miles and refill with water. He dropped me off on a
remote off
ramp to I-80 near Vacaville, where he was going to visit a buddy in the
state
pen.
     I thought I was doomed for eternity, but an old farmer guy got me to
Auburn, where he bought me a cup of coffee, but the next ride was a
demented,
obese, antique (junk) dealer in a rickety station wagon with travel
stickers all
over it who arrived at the conclusion that I was his long lost love sent by
whatever divine entity he worshipped After convincing him that I was
insane with
the old, I love listening to white noise on the radio trick, I jumped ship
somewhere in the mountains when he pulled off onto a rural highway into the
wilderness, saying that he had to pick up his pet dachsund.
     By this time I had sworn off hitchhiking and drinking forever. As I
began
sprinting down the shoulder of I-80, a pick-up pulled over and I hopped
into
find an Indian, probably Paiute, hippy, long hair down to his ass, in the
driver's seat toking on a joint and a cooler completely filled with
ice-cold
Coors on the front seat. He took off careening around mountainsides at 95
MPH,
alternating sucks of reefer and beer with heavy metal screaming over the
radio.
I decided I would have a beer after all.
     But I got back to Reno in time to clean up and make my gig on the
graveyard
shift at John Ascuaga's Nugget down the road in Sparks.

Michael J. Williams






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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:40:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: r davis + Q abt swt basil

In a message dated 4/28/01 8:36:22 AM, you wrote:
<<
more info can be had from his homepage:
http://www.globaldialog.com/~rdavis/
>>

let's not forget the really important work of r davis,
laura nyro's 'christmas and the beads of sweat' and van's 'astral weeks'

i had the mixed delight of seeing him only once live,
at sweet basil 9which i now call deadly nightshade)
because i was entranced during that incredible performance
and the night manager assaulted me for not leaving
quickly enough between sets as we finished our intermission coffee.
this was over a decade ago,
and i think it (the music) was released on swt basil records.
i havent been back since (the police said since i wasnt hurt,
<just a punch to the solar plexus>
all i could do was cite him for a mediation.
i declined and just never spent a dime there siince.)
anyone know how/who it's run these days?
 i still cringe when i walk by, on my way to fun evil deeds.
regards
steve koenig
n.p. paulina rubio: "paulina"


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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:42:49 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: re: amm availability

In a message dated 4/28/01 8:36:22 AM, you wrote:

<<I think I'm going to try to make it to the Knit for one
of the Sunday shows.  Anyone have any idea how many tickets are left?

Thanks,
Jesse>>

hi jesse
its saturday 6pm and i just phones the knit
and they said theres easy tix for tonight.
im bring the extended familee and needed to be sure.
assume the same for sunday.
not sure if it matters that i asked only re the 10pm show
steve koenig

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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:30:25 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Howard Skempton

Anyone care to comment on 'Well, Well Cornelius', a collection of Skempton's
piano music on Sony, played by John Tilbury? I understand he was a student
of Cardew and also a member of the Scratch Orchestra. I have heard a number
of conflicting descriptions of this CD...

np: Akos Rozmann: Two, with Three Instruments
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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:30:18 +0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Howard Skempton

Hi,

I bought it a while back and have enjoyed it. What comes to mind - Mompou,
Satie, folk song, English memories ( I lived there for 34 years). It comes
from Cardew's "roots" period maybe?

regards,
Billy





>Anyone care to comment on 'Well, Well Cornelius', a collection of Skempton's
>piano music on Sony, played by John Tilbury? I understand he was a student
>of Cardew and also a member of the Scratch Orchestra. I have heard a number
>of conflicting descriptions of this CD...
>
>np: Akos Rozmann: Two, with Three Instruments
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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 07:30:09 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Howard Skempton

thomas chatterton wrote:
>
> Anyone care to comment on 'Well, Well Cornelius', a collection of Skempton's
> piano music on Sony, played by John Tilbury? I understand he was a student
> of Cardew and also a member of the Scratch Orchestra. I have heard a number
> of conflicting descriptions of this CD...

I love this disc. Some of the most beautiful Satie-esque melodies you'll
ever hear, with apreciative nods toward composers like Cardew and
Rzewski. I can see people being put off by his "simplicity", but I get
the feeling they'd say the same about Satie. It's also the best I've
heard of Skempton's discs, though there's one with piece for solo
accordion I haven't been able to locate.

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:55:29 -0400
From: Matt Teichman <[e-mail]>
Subject: rene lussier

I just heard this album, Le Tresor de la Langue, by a guitarist named Rene
Lussier.  Wild stuff!!  Music based on speech intonations?  What a
brilliant idea.  Who is this guy??  I read he worked with Fred Frith, which
might explain why the album sounds a bit zorny.


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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:32:48 -0400
From: "&c." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Miles

I pick up a copy of Miles' autobiography.  I didn't realize what an asshole
he could be.  He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late period, but was
enamored with Prince.  I like Prince, but...

I was amused by him calling Archie Shepp a "no-playing mofo"

Zach

np: John Coltrane - Complete Live at the Village Vanguard

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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:47:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RenΘ Lussier

FYI:

Lussier is a Quebecois guitarist associated with the
free improvisers in Montreal who are grouped around
the Ambiance Magnetique record label. He has many
other discs on AM plus Victo and other labels,
especially with his close playing partner saxophonist
Jean Derome.He has performed extensively in Canada and
Europe, but not the U.S. AFAIK.

Also while you may see "Music based on speech
intonations" as "Wild stuff". For independantists like
Lussier, concern about the French language's survival
in a North American sea of English speakers is a
political as well as a cultutral concept.

Ken Waxman


- --- Matt Teichman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I just heard this album, Le Tresor de la Langue, by
> a guitarist named Rene
> Lussier.  Wild stuff!!  Music based on speech
> intonations?  What a
> brilliant idea.  Who is this guy??  I read he worked
> with Fred Frith, which
> might explain why the album sounds a bit zorny.
>
>
> -
>


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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:08:19 -0700
From: "z~S" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Miles

>>>I didn't realize what an asshole he could be.<<<

I figure an accurate biography on anyone would include a fair amount of assholery.

Just be thankful you're not famous.


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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:16:45 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki  (S)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Miles



>He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late period, but
>was enamored with Prince.

he also hated Ornette's violin playing

Matt Wirzbicki

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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:15:43 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Miles

In a message dated 4/29/01 8:19:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< he also hated Ornette's violin playing
  >>
 To be fair, I think he tolerated the violin playing, explaining it in the
sense that he could understand O. 'going for a sound,' or something like
that.  It was O.'s TRUMPET playing that he hated, saying that it was
'disrespectful to trumpet players,' or something similar to that.  Its been a
while since I've read that bio, so I don't remember the exact quotes
(obviously).

I've heard through the grapevine that a number of things in that book are to
be taken with a grain of salt.  Exactly what things, I don't know.

- -matt mitchell

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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:49:19
From: "William York" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eugene Chadbourne Radio (sic)

I haven't listened yet b/c my computer at home doesn't have a good enough
connection, but anyway I though I'd send this before I forget...

<http://www.nr.infi.net/~chadnc/HouseOfChadula/pages/RadioChadula.htm>

"A short note to our listeners:

Radio Chadula is a new experiment for us and we want your help to make it
work in the best possible way for all. The plan is to keep a regular
rotation of fresh shows posted for your listening pleasure. We hope to turn
you on to the new stuff as well as refresh your memory of the classics. As
you will notice, we are using a 'Commercial' service to make this available,
so you will have to tolerate a bit of 'corporate shilling'. We think it's
worth tolerating the minimal interruptions to have free access to the Good
Doctor's archives.

As we proceed we hope to add live shows, interviews, tour announcements,
tidbits of wisdom and anything else that we fancy to scatter across the vast
digital audio radiance..."



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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:03:50 -0700
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Miles

>
>
>> He hated Dolphy's playing and Coltrane's late period, but
>> was enamored with Prince.
>
> he also hated Ornette's violin playing
>
> Matt Wirzbicki
>
> -
>
... as if Ornette's violin playing is above reproach.

skip h


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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:07:35 -0700
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Miles

> In a message dated 4/29/01 8:19:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << he also hated Ornette's violin playing
>>>
> To be fair, I think he tolerated the violin playing, explaining it in the
> sense that he could understand O. 'going for a sound,' or something like
> that.  It was O.'s TRUMPET playing that he hated, saying that it was
> 'disrespectful to trumpet players,' or something similar to that.  Its been a
> while since I've read that bio, so I don't remember the exact quotes
> (obviously).
>
> I've heard through the grapevine that a number of things in that book are to
> be taken with a grain of salt.  Exactly what things, I don't know.
>
> -matt mitchell
>
> -
>
Where did anyone ever get the idea that Miles was tolerant, sanguine in his
opinions, or even polite.

As for the Coltrane quartet, it was McCoy Tyner's playing found particularly
dull, and, in all fairness, he did tend to play one way almost all the time
in that group.

skip h

PS I also happen to think Ornette, as a rule, is not that brilliant, so I
guess negative reviews of him don't offend me.


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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:44:33 -0400
From: Perfect Sound Forever <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jackie McLean, Glenn Horiuchi articles

Greetings,

In the latest edition of Perfect Sound Forever
<http://www.furious.com/perfect>, you'll find (among other things):

JOHN FAHEY
Tribute to an American Primitive: interviews with Dean Blackwood
(Revenant), Barret Hansen (Dr. Demento) and George Winston

GLENN HORIUCHI
Atonal energy music from the late pianist

JACKIE MCLEAN
The prime Blue Note years for the master saxman

We're always looking for good material so let us know if you have any
writing or ideas for upcoming issues.

See you online,
Jason

Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
[e-mail]
http://www.furious.com/perfect


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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:56:13 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki  (S)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Miles




>... as if Ornette's violin playing is above reproach.

hey, i didn't say I was nuts about it...I'm not.  I was only trying to make
the list of now well known artists which Miles shat upon a bit more
complete.

>I figure an accurate biography on anyone would include a fair amount of
>assholery.
>Just be thankful you're not famous.

sure everyone's a jack ass from time to time but the point here is that
Miles seems - from his autobiography - to behave in a combative and
condescending manner toward others a bit more than most people consider - as
you put it - "fair."

Do you think an accurate biography on Coltrane would contain a "fair amount"
of "assholery."?  If by a "fair amount" you mean ANY then I might agree with
your statments but if by "fair" you mean decent or substancial...

...i just don't think that most people are quite as mean as Miles seems to
be in his autobiography.

Matt Wirzbicki


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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:24:25 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Miles

hey man, if his "assholery" as you put it is what made him the aggressive
innovator that he was, then id gladly be the guy on the street that he
bitches out when he's had a few too many if it means i can wake up a few
weeks later and discover bitches brew

~fishy

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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 05:27:13 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Miles

>From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki  (S)" ...i just don't think that most people are
>quite as mean as Miles seems to be in his autobiography.

Just listen to the music!

P.S. My favourite Miles story is when Wympie Marsalis got up on stage while
Miles was playing Expo 86 in Vancouver to join the 'Dark Prince' in a duet
(without asking permission); Miles just scowled and told him to fuck off...

np: Ikeda/Nicolai 'Cyclo'
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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:40:44 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tippet's Blueprint

As Tippets' blueprint is being reissued, I'd like to know what is it
like.' Thanks,
Marcin Gokieli


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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:00:29 +0200
From: Tim Blechmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re[2]: Miles

PaanKu> hey man, if his "assholery" as you put it is what made him the aggressive
PaanKu> innovator that he was, then id gladly be the guy on the street that he
PaanKu> bitches out when he's had a few too many if it means i can wake up a few
PaanKu> weeks later and discover bitches brew

but if you take his period from 1975 to 1980...
i wouldn't say he had been that an innovator that time. and imo in
this time his "assholery" was biggest.
and after that his music was not the intensive fusion music he played
before...

PEACE

 Tim                            mailto:[e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:56:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Marks <[e-mail]>
Subject: Some May Tzadik Descriptions

Zorn, John - Songs From The Hermetic Theatre
[TZ7066:f] Tzadik $14.00
"In March 2001 Zorn entered the recording studio to
create four very
different compositions. American Magus is Zorn's first
piece of purely
electronic music, and it is dedicated to the
underground innovator Harry
Smith, whose legendary paintings, groundbreaking
films, eclectic
collections (ranging from Ukranian Easter eggs, string
games, found paper
airplanes to cassettes of New York City ambiences) and
encyclopedic mind
has continued to excite, confound and inspire artists
worldwide.
BeuysBlock, a bizarre meditation on the work of
conceptual/performance
artist Joseph Beuys, is scored for piano, string
orchestra and an
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performed by Zorn himself.
Also included is Zorn's tribute to Maya Deren, dancer,
filmmaker,
authority on Haitian voodoo and one of the most
important and influential
figures in the New York underground and the
mindbending sonic hieroglyphs
of Codebreaker, Zorn's first piece of computer music.
An essential
collection of dialogues from one generation of the
underground to
another."

Frith, Fred - Clearing [TZ7605:f] Tzadik $14.00
"Fred Frith is one of the world's greatest originals
on the guitar, a
composer/performer who has been at the forefront of
avant garde music
since the early '70s. Clearing is his first solo
guitar recording in over
twenty years (since his classic Live In Japan of 1981)
and his first solo
studio recording since his groundbreaking Guitar Solos
of 1974. Of the
three existing solo recordings by this quirky musical
master, Clearing is
undoubtedly the most dynamic, the most direct and
sonically the best
recorded. An absolute must have for all fans


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