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Zorn List Digest       Saturday, April 28 2001       Volume 03 : Number 399



In this issue:
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       Indonesian literature (no JZ)
       Re: ...Murakami and then Tomita
       Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)
       Re: AMMMMM
       Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)
       Fwd: Zangles
       Re: Zangles
       and by the way... (NZC)
       Re: Richard Davis/Igor Stravisky
       Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)
       Odp: Richard Davis/Igor Stravisky
       Re: Zangles
       Re: Odp: Richard Davis/Igor Stravisky
       Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)
       Re: Odp: Gee Force
       Re: Odp: Gee Force
       Re: AMMMMM
       Odp: Odp: Gee Force
       Re: AMMMMM
       Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)
       Re: AMMMMM

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:11:46 -0700
From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Indonesian literature (no JZ)

anyone suggest good books set in indonesia? for my book bag of reading
during the four weeks i'll be spending there....

martin

np. art pepper -- the hollywood sessions. always did love art's hearty,
souful lyricism....


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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:14:13 +0000
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ...Murakami and then Tomita

on 01.04.27 12:46 AM, hatta at [e-mail] wrote:

> Speaking of Japanese art

Does anyone know of any video existing of the Butoh group SHANKAI JUKU ???

Just dreaming...
RL

NW: Pilobolus, Dance in America

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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:50:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Les Henderson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)

Max Havelaar by Multatuli is a classic in Dutch colonial literature,
pretty fucked up from a contemporary perspective though.  BTW, Multatuli
is a pseudonym for Eduard Douwes Dekker, you might need to check under
this name to find the book.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Martin Wisckol wrote:

> anyone suggest good books set in indonesia? for my book bag of reading
> during the four weeks i'll be spending there....
>
> martin
>
> np. art pepper -- the hollywood sessions. always did love art's hearty,
> souful lyricism....
>
>
> -
>

Les Henderson
[e-mail]


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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:20:53 -0400
From: "Jesse Kudler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: AMMMMM

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: AMMMMM

> really the show to see is the set at Bard tomorrow night

Why's that?

- -Jesse


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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:48:36 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)

Not "Indonesian literature" per se, but chunks of Neal Stephenson's
Cryptonomicon are set there.  Awesome book.

David

np: Daniele D'agaro, Lingua Franca --->
      Satako Fuji (w/ Mark Feldman),  April Shower

PS.  See ya'll at the AMM Sunday late show.

In a message dated 4/26/01 9:13:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

>  anyone suggest good books set in indonesia? for my book bag of reading
>  during the four weeks i'll be spending there....


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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:20:41 +0200 (CEST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Zangles

> I was listnein to some Masada the other day....and
> it
> got me thinkin. I started analysing Zorns style on
> his
> sax solos and varius compositions. What I came up
> with
> was that he seems to approach whatever genre of
> music
> and change the angle. Its like the music starts from
> a
> fixed point say 12 o clock and Zorns angle is about
> 12:35. Does anyone see what I'm sayin or have I been
> smokin too much?
> Gav
>

You have definitely been smokin' too much. :)

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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:37:16 +0200
From: Jeroen de Boer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zangles

And 'zangles' in Dutch means 'singing lesson'.. What do you mean with it?

Jeroen


>> Does anyone see what I'm sayin or have I been
>> smokin too much?
>> Gav
>>=20
>=20
> You have definitely been smokin' too much. :)
>=20
> Efr=E9n=20

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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:10:51 +0100 (WET DST)
From: Ricardo Reis <[e-mail]>
Subject: and by the way... (NZC)

NZC - no zorn content...

    A friend of mine is starting to explore Prokofievs and is looking
for the OST of "Ivan Grozni" from Eisenstein. Does anyone know if this was
isssued on record?

            Many thanx,

                              Ricardo Reis

                  "NON SERVIAM"


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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:32:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Whit Schonbein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Richard Davis/Igor Stravisky

From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>

>Off topic, but:
>
>Stanvinsky was reported to have said Richard Davis was
>his favorite bassist after he worked with him in some
>NY Phil concerts. Any idea of Mr. D. ever recorded
>with Mr. S.?

Well, this doesn't actually add any info, but the 'story' i heard was that
Stravisnky heard davis performing in a duo with ???.  Turning to his
companion, he remarked, "these men play like gods."  Then he asked davis
to play with him.

Stravinsky did seem to admire his playing.  According to a biographical
blurb on davis' homepage, " Onstage after a 1975 concert in Boston, the
great composer Igor Stravinsky walked through the orchestra to lay his
hand on Mr. Davis' shoulder in a tribute rarely accorded a bassist--or any
other orchestra member--by the Maestro himself."

Davis does indeed play like a god.  I had the gift of being able to see
him play solo in a small club in madison, wisconsin.  his lion-headed bass
was so close to where i was sitting, i could have reached out and stopped
the strings from vibrating.  i've never heard a bass player manage to
maintain the melody of a song through an extended improvistion the way
davis did that night (the song i have in mind was 'all blues').  Someone
ought to record davis in a solo performance before it's too late.

enough rambling,
whit


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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:35:47 -0400
From: "circumlocutionist" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)

I've been observing the Zorn list for some time but this query compels me to contribute.  Without a doubt, you have to read the novels
of PRAMOEDYA  ANANTA  TOER, particulary his "quartet":

This Earth of Mankind
Child of All Nations
Footsteps
House of Glass

What follows are some words pulled randomly from the Web for flavor (although for clarity, I believe these books are no longer banned
in Indonesia):

The novels become progressively heavier with historical and political exposition as the
series progresses; they will appeal most obviously to those curious about Indonesian
history or the politics of colonialism. But they also retain an easy flow and a vividness
which remind one that the first two were originally spoken, in a prison camp where
Pramoedya was denied access to writing materials. This Earth of Mankind is,
deservedly, among the foremost works of Indonesian literature - but Pramoedya's
works are banned in Indonesia!


- ---- Begin Original Message ----
 From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:11:46 -0700
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Indonesian literature (no JZ)

anyone suggest good books set in indonesia? for my book bag of reading
during the four weeks i'll be spending there....

martin

np. art pepper -- the hollywood sessions. always did love art's hearty,
souful lyricism....


- -


- ---- End Original Message ----


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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:46:15 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Richard Davis/Igor Stravisky

Can you enlighten me as to who is Richard Davis?
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem
you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor


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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:01:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gavin Dunne <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Zangles

thats a funny coincidence....i meant nothing though -
I just took  the Z from Zorn and put it front of the
topic of angles. True genius hehe
Gav
- --- Jeroen de Boer <[e-mail]> wrote:
> And 'zangles' in Dutch means 'singing lesson'.. What
> do you mean with it?
>
> Jeroen
>
>
> >> Does anyone see what I'm sayin or have I been
> >> smokin too much?
> >> Gav
> >>
> >
> > You have definitely been smokin' too much. :)
> >
> > EfrΘn
>
>
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> Jeroen de Boer
> content director Cyberslag Content Providing
> Damsterdiep 15  9711SG Groningen    The Netherlands
>
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> f   [phone]
> [e-mail]
>
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>
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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:40:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: Whit Schonbein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Odp: Richard Davis/Igor Stravisky

hello marcin (and anyone else who is interested),

Richard Davis is a bass player, currently residing in Madison, Wisconsin
as a member of the faculty in the department of music at the university of
wisconsin.  He's performed with many jazz greats (and let us not forget
John Lennon and Bruce Springsteen...and frank sinatra) and led his own
groups. I'm not sure when he first started gigging, but he was with Jamal
in 1953.

His most well known recording as a leader is probably 1972's "Now's the
time", which i haven't heard in years, but has two long (~20 minutes each)
avant-garde renditions of two be-bop standards, if i recall correctly.

here's a list of jazz groups with which he has performed, culled from his
online vita at http://www.globaldialog.com/~rdavis/cosmo/vita.htm :

Ahmad Jamal, Archie Shepp, Ben Sidran, Benny Carter, Bud Powell,
CharlieRouse, Clifford Jarvis, Cy Coleman, David Murray, Don Cherry, Don
Moye,Elvin Jones Jazz Machine, Eric Dolphy, Freddie Waits, Gene Ammons,
J.J.Johnson, Joanne Brackeen, Joe Williams, John Carter, John Lewis, John
Tchaii,Kenny Dorham, Koolfest All Stars with Nat Adderly, Miles Davis,
MingusDynasty, Morgana King, Peggy Lee, Philly Joe Jones, Sir Roland
Hanna, SarahVaughan, Sauter Finnegan, Shelley Manne, Spencer Barefield,
Stella Marrs,Sun Ra All Stars, Tatsuya Nakamura, Thad Jones  Mel Lewis
Orchestra,Young People's Concert at N.Y. Philharmonic.

and here's a list of conductors he performed under:

Tauno Hannaikainen, Igor Stravinsky, Gunther Schuller, Leopold
Stowkowski,Leonard Bernstein, George Szell, Pierre Boulez, Harry
Rabinowitz.

more info can be had from his homepage:
http://www.globaldialog.com/~rdavis/

cheers,
whit

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Marcin Gokieli wrote:

> Can you enlighten me as to who is Richard Davis?
> Marcin Gokieli
> [e-mail] [e-mail]


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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:30:14 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)

At 10:35 AM 4/27/01 -0400, circumlocutionist wrote:
>I've been observing the Zorn list for some time but this query compels me
to contribute.  Without a doubt, you have to read the novels
>of PRAMOEDYA  ANANTA  TOER, particulary his "quartet":
>
>This Earth of Mankind
>Child of All Nations
>Footsteps
>House of Glass

A strong second on the recommendation for this.  A fascinating set of
novels by an Indonesian writer who has been deeply involved in Indonesian
politics in various ways for years.  Read them in order.

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]


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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:24:54 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Odp: Gee Force

in the states the cartoon was called g-force, i believe they still have
re-runs on cartoon network if u get the station.  i think it was illustrated
and developed by this japanese artist named yoshitaka amano, a few years back
he had an exhibition here in new york city.  turns out he's a brilliant
painter

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Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:32:21 -0400
From: "Jeton Ademaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Odp: Gee Force

Hi all

it's funny, because now that u mention it, i do believe i read that
Yoshitaka Amano had something to do with "Battle Of The Planets" (when i
attended his thing with Neil Gaiman at the Orensanz), but I'm not sure if it
was "creator/developer". I do believe that it's been rerun on the Cartoon
Network here in the US, BUT the one thing I can claim with ABSOLUTE
certainty is that the series ran originally in the US as "Battle Of The
Planets". I've simply had too many bloody fights with my siblings over this
very issue to EVER forget that!

peace


>in the states the cartoon was called g-force, i believe they still have
>re-runs on cartoon network if u get the station.  i think it was
>illustrated
>and developed by this japanese artist named yoshitaka amano, a few years
>back
>he had an exhibition here in new york city.  turns out he's a brilliant
>painter

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:48:30 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: AMMMMM

In a message dated 4/27/01 12:20:17 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< > really the show to see is the set at Bard tomorrow night


Why's that? >>

I thought there would be a better atmosphere than the Knitting Factory. I
neglected to factor in a poor acoustical venue, subpar equipment (a baby
grand piano for Tilbury, and no gong or bass drum for Prevost), and a
relatively noisy audience (including a baby crying occasionally, people
walking around, the door loudly opening and closing repeatedly). the night
was so amateurishly run that they asked for money for tickets after the show
had ended.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com



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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:27:51 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Odp: Gee Force

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jeton Ademaj <[e-mail]>

> Network here in the US, BUT the one thing I can claim with ABSOLUTE
> certainty is that the series ran originally in the US as "Battle Of
The
> Planets". I've simply had too many bloody fights with my siblings
over this
> very issue to EVER forget that!

In Poland it also went as 'wojna planet' - and we also querelled
whether the true title is 'wojna planet' (battle of planets) or 'G
force'. And even now when I tolsd my friends (what I learned by your
posts  - namely what the title was - there was some serious
disagreement...
Transformation,
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem
you are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor


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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 02:41:03 -0400
From: "Jesse Kudler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: AMMMMM

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>

> I thought there would be a better atmosphere than the Knitting Factory. I
> neglected to factor in a poor acoustical venue, subpar equipment (a baby
> grand piano for Tilbury, and no gong or bass drum for Prevost), and a
> relatively noisy audience (including a baby crying occasionally, people
> walking around, the door loudly opening and closing repeatedly). the night
> was so amateurishly run that they asked for money for tickets after the
show
> had ended.

Hi Jon,
Well, it's good to see I at least didn't miss anything then. Did you (or
anyone else) see the night before?  I'm really curious what the solo sets
were like, particularly Rowe's and Prevost's (he was leading a student
ensemble, right?).  I think I'm going to try to make it to the Knit for one
of the Sunday shows.  Anyone have any idea how many tickets are left?

Thanks,
Jesse


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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:14:35 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Indonesian literature (no JZ)

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Not "Indonesian literature" per se, but chunks of Neal Stephenson's
> Cryptonomicon are set there.  Awesome book.

Strongly seconded. Anyone with intimate (or second-hand) knowledge of
the Philippines (like, say, having been married to a filipina for 21
years) will get an extra charge from this one. Wonderful book.

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:29:53 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: AMMMMM

Jesse Kudler wrote:

> Well, it's good to see I at least didn't miss anything then. Did you (or
> anyone else) see the night before?  I'm really curious what the solo sets
> were like, particularly Rowe's and Prevost's (he was leading a student
> ensemble, right?).

Tilbury played several Cornelius Cardew works from 1959-61, the February
pieces plus one other and closed with his arrangement of "Croppy Boy".
He gave a brief summation of Cardew's career and its idealogical arc.

Prevost led seven Bard students (guitar, Roweian tabletop guitar, piano,
clarinet, computer, violin and drums) in an improv that lasted about 45
minutes. It wasn't nearly as bad as one might have feared, the students
playing with pretty decent sensitivity (except for the drummer, who
seeemd to think he was in a chamber jazz band) and there were brief
stretches where I though it actually sounded quite good.

Rowe closed out with his solo set, masterful and fascinating, if not
quite up to the level of the one in Boston last year. Rich, loud drones
predominated, abetted by the interaction between his guitar and several
small, hand-operated electronics like a portable fan and a small
neck-massage device. His radio dredging was typically (fortuitously?)
inspired, including the emergence, from beneath waves of dense sound, of
"Black Magic Woman".

Jon's comments on the AMM show the next day kinda summed it up, though I
was put off by the annoying amateurishness a bit less than he. The
members of the band were true pros and, aside from a stinging intro from
Prevost aimed at the Bard faculty and their total lack of interest in
the event, they (at least as far as the actual performance) appeared to
shrug off their aggravation and play as close to "usual" as they could
in the circumstances. Afterwards, I mentioned to Tilbury that the
problems might be good prep for the Knit and hoped he didn't mind
playing electric piano... ;-)

Brian Olewnick

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