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Zorn List Digest        Sunday, April 15 2001        Volume 03 : Number 382



In this issue:
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       Re: Avant Harp [was RE: Avant Strings]
       Odp: Soft Machine
       Where to purchase ADDA label?
       Recording Paraphrase?
       RE: Recording Paraphrase?
       RE: Where to purchase ADDA label?
       Sandy Bull RIP
       Re: Recording Paraphrase?
       CT String Quartet, playlists
       Re: Odp: Soft Machine
       Re: Avant Strings/harp
       Re: Soft Machine
       Re: Odp: Soft Machine
       Re: Recording Paraphrase?
       Barre Phillips' solo stuff
       sideshow
       RE: sideshow
       new fantomas album
       Re: sideshow
       Re: new fantomas album

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:08:21 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Avant Harp [was RE: Avant Strings]

And Anne LeBaron. Try _The Musical Railism of ..._, a co-release by Mode and
Tellus from 1995, which is split between her compositions (incl. some songs from
her opera _The E&O Line_, with instrumentalists Frank London, Marcus Rojas, Myra
Melford, Davey Williams, Fred Hopkins, and Thurman Barker, and a libretto by
Thulani Davis) and her electric harp solos. ISTR one on Trans Museq as well, but
I can't get to the L vinyl right now (ah, the joys of the one-room apartment
;^>) to check personnel.

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         "It's no bed of roses, let me tell you, being a mutant."
                                                         -- Warren Dearden
np: Cerberus Shoal, _Elements of Structure Permanence_
nr: Robert Sullivan, _The Meadowlands_

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:50:10 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Soft Machine

Sm 4&3 are the best ones. IMHO you'd better avoid later guitar-base soft
machine - 'softs' sucks seriously.
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- ----- Original Message -----
From: EfrΘn del Valle <[e-mail]>
To: Zorn-list <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:21 PM
Subject: Soft Machine


Hi everyone!,

I feel like going deeper into Robert Wyatt's discography and I heard today
several songs from Soft Machine's "third" and "fourth". I digged the listen
quite a lot but would like to be sure.

I have "Ruth is Stranger than Richard" and "Rock Bottom" only. Something
tells me I'm missing a lot. Am I right?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

EfrΘn del Valle



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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:44:35 -0500
From: "John Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Where to purchase ADDA label?

Sorry for the off-topic post, but does
anyone know where you can purchase old
titles on the ADDA label? I am looking to
get some old Joelle Leandre discs.
Is the label still in print?

TIA
John

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:14:55 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Recording Paraphrase?

I'm looking forward with great excitement to Monday night, when I'll see
what I'm sure will be the best live performance witnessed since
beginning my avant adventure, Paraphrase Trio in Taos.

Granted, because of my bullheaded unwillingness to spend much time in
cities over about 100,000 in population, there hasn't been much
opportunity, but nonetheless, or even more so, because of the
specialness of the occasion, it'd be really great to make the most of
the opportunity.

Does anyone know how the trio might feel about the presence of a
flashless digital camera and/or my powerbook with a microphone(or
ideally, a direct line from the board, assuming this all-acoustic trio
will be miked)?  Of course, I'd be careful to get permission from all
involved, but if there's no chance in hell, I'll leave my black bag at home.

I heard once, here, I think, that even Zorn allowed recording by a
paying customer, with the understanding that the recording was not to be
reproduced, ever.  But that was a few years ago, when the world was different.

Of course, if all I can take away are my memories, it'll be enough...

Dan

NP:  "Topsy Turvy, Gilbert and Sullivan and so much more", the DVD  -
much more awesome than I expected.

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:21:47 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Recording Paraphrase?

1. Don't count on Paraphrase being miked.

2. I know that many folks here could testify to this: if you ASK Tim first,
he's usually been okay with taping and photos.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
[e-mail]

Does anyone know how the trio might feel about the presence of a
flashless digital camera and/or my powerbook with a microphone(or
ideally, a direct line from the board, assuming this all-acoustic trio
will be miked)?  Of course, I'd be careful to get permission from all
involved, but if there's no chance in hell, I'll leave my black bag at home.


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:38:17 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Where to purchase ADDA label?

ADDA declared bankruptcy and went out of business sometime around 1994.  But
in situ, the improv series formerly associated with the label, seems to
still be in business, and there's one Leandre title on that series,
'Ecritures' with Carlos Zingaro.  Try this: in situ, c/o Didier Petit, 6 rue
de la Justice, 75020 Paris, France; tel/fax : + 1 43 64 50 35; e-mail:
[e-mail].  (Information courtesy of Peter Stubley's
European Free Improvisation site: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/.)

Only a handful of ADDA classical releases are available at Berkshire Record
Outlet, and Cadence appears to have nothing at all left.  Checking at
www.gemm.com (thanks, Skip!), there are a handful of classical and
avant-garde titles listed, including Leandre's 'Urban Bass,' which is being
offered through a dealer called Art Control.  They've got it listed at
$19.00.  But I also notice that their catalog does not seem to have been
updated since November '99.  Good luck...

http://www5.gemm.com/c/search.pl?sid=8110434&key=52978&disp_ad_format_mode=0
&artist=LEANDRE%2CJOELLE&label=ADDA&&title=URBAN+BASS&label=ADDA&

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Archie Shepp, "Blue Bossa," 'St. Louis Blues' (Jazz Magnet)


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:51:12 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sandy Bull RIP

I know at least a few people on this list will want to know that
classical/jazz/folk music/world music pioneer Sandy Bull has just died at
age 60.  There's a good obit at the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/14/obituaries/14BULL.html

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Archie Shepp, "God Bless the Child," 'St. Louis Blues' (Jazz Magnet)


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:22:37 -0600 (MDT)
From: Matt Plummer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Recording Paraphrase?

>
> Does anyone know how the trio might feel about the presence of a
> flashless digital camera and/or my powerbook with a microphone(or
> ideally, a direct line from the board, assuming this all-acoustic trio
> will be miked)?  Of course, I'd be careful to get permission from all
> involved, but if there's no chance in hell, I'll leave my black bag at home.

There is a chance...in the show I had here in boulder with paraphrase and
ron miles (which was great, btw) i was able to record the concert. i would
second the notion that you should ask him.  but its a possibility.

Matt Plummer
Coalition for Creative Music

np: nothing



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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:46:59 -0700
From: "Martin Wisckol" <[e-mail]>
Subject: CT String Quartet, playlists

I was delighted by Ivo Perelman's Cd with the CT String Quartet -- "The
Alexander Suite." The strings generally steer clear of traditional
harmonic architecture, instead following a more freewheeling schematic
ranging from delicate and melancholy to rowdy and intense. Perelman
navigates the waters brilliantly, extracting wideranging tales and
emotions from his accompanists....

I would like to second Arvo Part's "Tabula Rasa." One of the most
beautiful releases of my lifetime -- I've been listening to it since it
came out 17 years ago....

CAR CD CHANGER
1. Lori Carson -- Where it goes
2. MMW -- The Dripper
3. Ian Shaw -- Soho stories
4. Tricky -- Maxinquaye
5. John Hammond -- Wicked Grin (count me among the unimpressed)
6. Macire Sylla -- maya irafama (female, guinea funk version of youssou
n'dour)

HOME CHANGER
1. The Best of the Staple Singers
2. Jacky Terrasson -- Paris....
3. Don Cherry -- Cool (just released live duet with Eddie Blackwell)
4. Bob Moses -- Love Everlasting
5. Bill Laswell -- Dub Chamber 3
6. Zoot Sims/ Lockjaw Davis -- the tenor giants

Turntable
Art Ensemble -- Paris Sessions

Bedroom boombox
Paul Bley -- Basics, with Nana Vasconcelos standing by for those special
moments



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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:55:22 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Odp: Soft Machine

In a message dated 4/14/01 5:10:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Sm 4&3 are the best ones. IMHO you'd better avoid later guitar-base soft
 machine - 'softs' sucks seriously. >>

Definitely a different strokes thing.  _Softs_ is definitely an entirely
different sound from the above-much more of a spacy guitar-led Fusion thing.
The susequent album _Alive and Well_ follows the same path.  I enjoy them
more than the previous Holdsworth-led _Bundles_ outing, and that one seems to
get more accolades from most SM'ers.

Would anyone else agree that *any* SM beats the hell out of what Karl Jenkins
is doing these days...?

- --
=dg=

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:51:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Avant Strings/harp

Here's a disc that's sorta of avant ambient  -in a
good way:

l'intense (For 4 Ears) featuring HΘlΦne Breschand
(harp); Michael Doneda (soprano and tenor saxophone)
and GΘrald Zbinden (electric guitar)

Ken Waxman

- --- hatta <[e-mail]> wrote:
> This comment reminds me that I have heard very
> little "avant" harp,
> besides Zeena Parkins. What else is out there that
> people can
> recommend.  This seems like an instrument full of
> possibilities that
> is regulated to romantic classical and trad "world"
> type stuff.


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:21:14 -0700
From: "z~S" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Soft Machine

Most, maybe all, of the live releases
of Soft Machine performances from the
3-5 era incarnations are treasures.


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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:22:14 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Odp: Soft Machine

In a message dated 4/14/2001 2:56:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Definitely a different strokes thing.  _Softs_ is definitely an entirely
>  different sound from the above-much more of a spacy guitar-led Fusion
thing.
>
>  The susequent album _Alive and Well_ follows the same path.  I enjoy them
>  more than the previous Holdsworth-led _Bundles_ outing, and that one seems
> to
>  get more accolades from most SM'ers.

Bundles is a killing record !  Its my favourite Soft Machine, but then again
its the only one I own ....

- -Jody

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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:30:25 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Recording Paraphrase?

In a message dated 4/14/2001 10:13:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Does anyone know how the trio might feel about the presence of a
>  flashless digital camera and/or my powerbook with a microphone(or
>  ideally, a direct line from the board, assuming this all-acoustic trio
>  will be miked)?  Of course, I'd be careful to get permission from all
>  involved, but if there's no chance in hell, I'll leave my black bag at
home.

Getting a recording of a board feed is pretty far from ideal .... since
whoever might be doing sound is not likely to offer a special discreet mix
for your recording purposes.   Which is a moot point anyways since theres no
way they'll be mic'd unless theyre playing a really, really big place.
Either way, youre always better off just using some mics from your seat
location, capturing the sound in the room and hoping for the best.  Oh, and
ask first.  : )))
- -Jody

PS anyone with Quicksand tapes ??

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 01:49:27 -0400
From: "Ryan W. Blum" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Barre Phillips' solo stuff

Can anyone tell me in what form and where Barre Phillips' solo work exists?

Also, does anyone have any input on the Iancu Dumitrescu releases Medium III
and Pierres Sacres in terms of Fernando Grillo content? I'm on a big solo
bass kick lately, and Fluvine's grooves have begun to wear thin.

BTW, the list has been so helpful in helping me find what I've been looking
for lately... muchos gracias.

Ryan
np: Konitz/Solal, Star Eyes (Hat)


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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 07:55:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hywel Davies <[e-mail]>
Subject: sideshow

does anyone have the cd by Sideshow on composer
records? it's a quartet (with Hollenback on drums)
that improvise on tunes by Ives...

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:06:16 -0400
From: "Steve Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: sideshow

Yes.  It's vibraphonist (and Zornlister) Matt Moran's project, with Oscar
Noreiga on alto sax and bass clarinet, former Zornlister Adam Good on
guitar, and Hollenbeck on drums, percussion and melodica.  They play a set
of Ives songs without lyrics.  It's dreamy, impressionistic, tuneful,
raucous, pretty much everything you'd expect from Ives.  The sound world is
not so far from a good ECM recording.  Of course, I've got a certain bias
that prevents total objectivity, as I helped to convince CRI/Blueshift to
release the disc after I'd had a demo for over a year, and I wrote the
little liner essay.  But there it is.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - nada

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Hywel Davies
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:55 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: sideshow

does anyone have the cd by Sideshow on composer
records? it's a quartet (with Hollenback on drums)
that improvise on tunes by Ives...


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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:19:10 -0400
From: "Frunobulax" <[e-mail]>
Subject: new fantomas album

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Fantomas, a new track called "Rosemary's Baby" can be downloaded from =
www.ipecac.com.   Look under the "ARCHIVES" category.  It is a nice =
progression from Book 1, but still very Fantomas. =20

dave

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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:37:18 -0700
From: Skip Heller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: sideshow

> does anyone have the cd by Sideshow on composer
> records? it's a quartet (with Hollenback on drums)
> that improvise on tunes by Ives...
>
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>
I just saw that thing, and it really vexed me, because I've been working on
a similar program of Ives for about a year now (although the focus is not
too much on soloing).

Since the release of URLICHT, there is an intense focus on classical
composers as a source of improvising material.  The big jazz magazines say
so, so it MUST be true.  I'm not sure that such formulation always a good
thing.  On one hand, it can lead to stuff like URLICHT, which I liked
immensely.  On the other, it can lead to stuff like Don Byron's last record,
for which I didn't care much.

Anybody notice that Frisell was way ahead of this curve, with the Ives
business on HAVE A LITTLE FAITH?

skip h

np: HORACE SILVER: RETROSPECTIVE


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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:34:03 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new fantomas album

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In addition to Dave's info, you will also find at www.ipecac.com the =
track listing for the new Fantomas' soundtracks cover album, due in =
July. Such a promising release!

greetings,

Efr=E9n=20
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    Date: domingo, 15 de abril de 2001 19:09
    Subject: new fantomas album
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