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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest) To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #381 Reply-To: zorn-list Sender: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Zorn List Digest Friday, April 13 2001 Volume 03 : Number 381 In this issue: - Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #380 Re: Avant Strings AMM at the Old Church TP-ing The Zorn List Re: Avant strings Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #380 FS: Ensemble Sondarc, Laswell, 23 Skidoo, Jaworzyn ... Re: How was Derek Bailey last night? Re: Avant Strings Avant Harp [was RE: Avant Strings] Re: Avant Strings Re: new Knitting Factory albums ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:44:22 -0000 From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #380 >From: wlt4@mindspring.com >Subject: Re: Re: NPs (was: New Company releases on Incus) >What about TLs: Today's Listening. Broader, possibly more embarassing. >In fact I could easily set up a separate mailing list to send such stuff >without clogging up the Zornlist. Anybody interested? Over on the avant list, our list-mate Jerzy from Poland (Happy Easter, Jerzy!) used to post his evening playlists, which I found quite fascinating actually. This could be done as unobtrusively as possible in a footer, as Lang has done. I'm going to give it a try, but I think I'll use PL for playlist rather than TL. I hope Lang doesn't mind. I'm always forgetting to put my NPs and NLs on the bottom. PL: Transonic 3: Future Primitive, Nils Petter Molvaer: Solid Ether, HIM: Our Point of Departure, Harry Partch: Delusion of the Fury, DJ Pica Pica Pica: Planetary Natural Love Gas Webbin'199999, Cornelius Cardew: The Great Learning, Avantgardism Volume 2 on Law and Auder, Robert Ashley: Automatic Writing, Le Sun Ra: A Night in East Berlin/My Brothers the Wind and Sun No. 9, John Coltrane: Live in Japan CD 4 Hope that didn't clog the list too much. NP: Nils Petter Molvaer: Solid Ether _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:03:52 -0700 From: hatta <hatta@spiralcage.com> Subject: Re: Avant Strings This comment reminds me that I have heard very little "avant" harp, besides Zeena Parkins. What else is out there that people can recommend. This seems like an instrument full of possibilities that is regulated to romantic classical and trad "world" type stuff. Also anyone know where to find this Carol Emanuel cd mentioned below? I tried the usual suspects ('Forced Exposure', AB-CD' 'Aquarius Records' 'CDNow') and a few others with no luck. - -Robert On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:24:08 EDT Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: >> >> Carol Emanuel's "Top of Trees" is quite nice too. >Wow! If we move to harp now, piano is not far away :-). > Patrice. Todays Sequence: AMM 'Newfoundland', Vladislav Delay 'Entain.', Buckethead 'Bucketheadland' - -- "The true traveller is without goal, it is the absence of goals which creates the ultimate traveller." - -Gao Xingjian 'Soul Mountain' - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:05:11 -0700 From: hatta <hatta@spiralcage.com> Subject: AMM at the Old Church <I may have sent this via a wrong address, so my apologies if it shows up twice) I saw AMM at the Old Church in Portland OR, Wednesday April 11th. This was my first time seeing AMM, and I really only have just begun listening to them (thanks to this list for this introduction!). The Old Church was a great place, with beautiful stained glass and a stunning painted pipe organ (alas that never got played with) Only a few reference lights were on in the church, otherwise it was quite dark. The acoustics were great and the audience was very respectful. I found the show to unbelievably hypnotic and entrancing. They played with layers of sound, and moments of absolute silence. The ability these guys have to entice these sounds of their instruments was really unparalleled. I loved how Keith Rowes's guitar just seems on the edge of chaos at all times, and he bows and taps and gently evokes waves of sound out of it. The way he could bow the whammy bar, while just touching the strings or gently brushing the eBow over them--incredible Then the radio...often just added white noise, then the random bits of dialog or music. I thought there was a decent amount of radio used during the show, more than on most of the recordings I have heard. Prevost's percussion work was really unlike any other I have heard. He really is adding a lot more sounds and tonalities, and is completely unconcerned with rhythmic grounding. His gear included a snare, a huge bass drum laying flat on the floor, a couple of other drums and a good dozen cymbals and a gong. He also had lots of loose cymbals or cymbals with handles. He bowed symbols, he played with the squawks of his chair, he did this fantastic thing where he would balance a medium sized cymbal on the snare and would bow the cymbal....incredible. He would take the loose cymbals and he would set them on the huge bass drum and then play the drum or bow the cymbals. The bass drum would add extra amplification and reverberation. This also worked to great effect when he would place a bunch of his sticks on the bass drum and then play it with mallets. John Tilbury played a normal (baby? ) grand piano and had a metal bar that he used to damp the strings. At times he would use it like a slide while he plucked the strings, or leave it laying one the strings while he played. He also bowed the strings. He played a lot of sparse notes and chords. At one point he go up and walked off. During a quieter moment you realized that he was playing a piano in a choir room or something next door. This sparse John Cage-esque piano just coming out of nowhere, that would disappear as the others got louder was fantastic. The relatively "normal" sounds of the piano had a wonderful grounding or contrasting effect to the other players. Which is a stunning occurrence considering how sparse, non-melodic and nearly aleatoric his playing was. The show ended with Rowe fading out static/white noise over a period of about 5min. They played about 1'15" total. The audience managed to wait out the full fadeout at the end, until he had switched off his stuff before applauding. This was one of the best shows I have seen. The music was utterly captivating, and was entirely engrossing to watch these guys play. If you closed your eyes though, it was like being in a dream world. I had driven a long ways to get to this show and was plenty tired, but listening with my eyes closed, I really had that just before sleep feel. Sounds were hard to spatially place, and would often drive my eyes open to try to see just what was making that sound. The way the three of them played together, totally synched, no solos is so far beyond most avant shows I have seen. - -- "The true traveller is without goal, it is the absence of goals which creates the ultimate traveller." - -Gao Xingjian 'Soul Mountain' - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:17:05 -0700 From: "z~S" <keith@pfmentum.com> Subject: TP-ing The Zorn List Today's tunes: Scary Monsters - David Bowie Einstein On The Beach - ad infinitum - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:21:28 EDT From: DvdBelkin@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant strings Arditti: also the Ligeti quartets recordings (were they mentioned?) Utti: also the duo CD with Dresser ICP: a correction - the 10 minute string trio section with Reijseger, Honsinger, and Glerum is in the middle of the Jubilee Varia suite (haTOLOGY) And as we've edged pretty far into "modern classical" territory (which, of course, is kind of where we started with the new Zorn), let me also pitch Fred Sherry's performances of Wuorinen in various settings - solo, duo, amplified, with the Tashi quartet, with Speculum Musicae, with the Group for Contemporary Music et al. David np: Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys, The Tiffany Transcriptions - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:14:48 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com> Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #380 On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 11:44:22PM -0000, Bill Ashline wrote: > PL: Transonic 3: Future Primitive, Nils Petter Molvaer: Solid Ether, HIM: > Our Point of Departure, Harry Partch: Delusion of the Fury, DJ Pica Pica > Pica: Planetary Natural Love Gas Webbin'199999, Cornelius Cardew: The Great > Learning, Avantgardism Volume 2 on Law and Auder, Robert Ashley: Automatic > Writing, Le Sun Ra: A Night in East Berlin/My Brothers the Wind and Sun No. > 9, John Coltrane: Live in Japan CD 4 Hmm, this gets me to trying to remember what I've played today: Daniel Lentz: Apologetica Random, Inc: Jerusalem Who: Who's Next Tori Amos: varied bootlegged cover tunes Karlheinz Stockhausen: Unsichtbare Chore (or something like that) and gearing up now for the Springsteen concert on HBO. - -- |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <| | jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt | | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt | | Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:09:14 +0100 From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey) Subject: FS: Ensemble Sondarc, Laswell, 23 Skidoo, Jaworzyn ... I have the following items for sale that some on this list may be interested in. Prices are in _US $_ and are POSTAGE PAID within North America. Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged. If you don't like a price, make me an OFFER. $18 -- Divination - "Distill" US 2CD (Submeta: sm9803-2) 1996 [Feat. 8 long tracks by Thomas K=F6ner (Async Sense), Mick Harris, Tetsu Inoue, Haruomi Hosono, Bill Laswell, Pete Namlook, Anton Fier, and Paul Sch=FCtze. On Laswell's defunct "Submeta" imprint.] $16 -- Ensemble Sondarc - "For Four Rooms" SWI CD (For 4 Ears) 1997 [66 min. of ensemble-improv from 6 (yes, six) doublebassists.] $20 -- Shea/Rimbaud/Hampson - "Sub Rosa Live Sessions: May 1996" AUS CD (Sub Rosa/Quantum: 051) 1996 [Feat. one piece by Rimbaud (Scanner) & David Shea, and one by David Shea & Robert Hampson (Main). Recorded live at Upstairs At The Garage, London, 5/12/96. Limited to 2000 copies. Mint.] $ 7 -- Stefan Jaworzyn - "Disco Death Fury" US 7" (Fusetron) 1995 [Nice guitar piece from 1983 split over two sides. Limited to 250 copies. Out of print.] OFFERS -- 23 Skidoo - "The Culling Is Coming" AUS CD (L.A.Y.L.A.H. Antirecords: lay23cd) 1989 [CD of Skidoo's most unorthodox LP from 1983. Pt. 1 - improvised live w/ scrap metal perc., gas pipes/cylinders, tape loops & Tibetan thighbone trumpet by D. Tibet (7/82, WOMAD). Pt. 2 - trad. gamelan (10/82, Dartington College). Brilliant, and currently deleted.] $20 -- Vidna Obmana/Djen Ajakan Shean - "Parallel Flaming" SWE CD (Multimood: mrc-015) 1994 [Lush ambient electronics, field recordings, and layers of ethnic percussion courtesy of Djen Ajakan Shean. Perhaps the best Vidna Obmana recording from his ritual atmospheric period. Original pressing.] $15 -- Whitehouse - "Erector" UK CD (Susan Lawly: slcd011) 1995 [Follow up to "Total Sex" from 1981. Feat. "Shitfun". Mint.] $15 -- Whitehouse - "Thank Your Lucky Stars (special edition)" UK CD (Susan Lawly: slcd018) 1997 [Feat. "Neronia", "Sadist" and "Still Going Strong" not on first "TYLS" pressing. Mint.] Thanks for looking. - -Patrick pm.carey@utoronto.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:07:28 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: How was Derek Bailey last night? some quick thoughts on the Bailey/Thurston/Mazzacane extravaganza: as Steve said, Derek's solo set was superb. and there were definitely some melodic passages, both electric and acoustic, as well as a wild stretch which gave me flashbacks to a Derek and the Ruins show at the Knit. when he broke out the 1936 Epiphone, he was obviously quite proud of it, and he sat down and played a few minutes of Faheyesque strumming, putting the guitar through its paces. <<a long, loud guitar duo by Moore and Loren MazzaCane Connors (in which Loren "blew Thurston away," according to Bruce)>> Loren's best collaborators are the biggest fans of his music, which is why I was looking forward to see this, only the second duo set they've done. it worked pretty well, with Thurston remaining pretty restrained and Loren gradually going more and more wild, in his Cream-influenced mode. <<two trios, at least one of which featured Connors on "Feldmanish" piano.>> after about 45 minutes, they called Bailey up. Loren started playing piano (first time in public). he played solo while the other two set up, and both played acoustically, very quietly, along with the piano. I'm far, far, far from an expert on classical piano, but it sounded a lot closer to Bach than Feldman to me. Thurston and Derek were both playing very quietly during this stretch, lots of squeaking and scratching sounds from rubbing parts of their guitars. then Loren went back to his guitar, and they all started playing more actively. the second encore was much longer, and they were all plugged in, although Thurston was having trouble with his amp and wasn't entirely comfortable. bunch of musicians in the house, including Jim O'Rourke and Hecker, as well as Ron Asheton of the Stooges. too bad those guys aren't playing some of the Company shows; they'd shake things up some. Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:14:20 EDT From: JonAbbey2@aol.com Subject: Re: Avant Strings In a message dated 4/13/01 8:04:36 PM, hatta@spiralcage.com writes: << This comment reminds me that I have heard very little "avant" harp, besides Zeena Parkins. What else is out there that people can recommend. >> Rhodri Davies, a young English harpist, is 1/3 of IST (playing Tonic on Tuesday), and taking part in all of the Company shows. bio and discography at: http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/musician/mdavies.html Jon www.erstwhilerecords.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:33:43 -0400 From: "Steve Smith" <ssmith36@sprynet.com> Subject: Avant Harp [was RE: Avant Strings] Rhodri Davies, who appears on two of the things I've mentioned today ('Company in Marseilles' and 'Ghost Notes' by IST) is about the only harpist I've heard so far in non-idiomatic free improv. He's also on the 'Strings with Evan Parker' set and the London Improvisers Orchestra release 'Proceedings,' both on Emanem. He seems to do lots of little things to physically manipulate his instrument in unusual ways, and gets impressive results. I look forward to seeing him next week with IST and Company at Tonic. And sadly, the domestic Koch version of the Carol Emanuel disc is out of print. Don't know about the original Japanese release on Eva, but I suspect the same. Steve Smith ssmith36@sprynet.com NP - The Melvins, "Colossus of Density," 'Colossus of Density' (Ipecac) (and at the moment downloading an MP3 of Fantomas, "Rosemary's Baby," from the upcoming album 'Director's Cut' from the Ipecac site...) today's playlist - Company, 'Live in Marseilles,' Napalm Death, 'Scum,' and the Melvins, 'Colossus of Density' - kinda slow day, actually. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of hatta Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:04 PM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Avant Strings This comment reminds me that I have heard very little "avant" harp, besides Zeena Parkins. What else is out there that people can recommend. This seems like an instrument full of possibilities that is regulated to romantic classical and trad "world" type stuff. Also anyone know where to find this Carol Emanuel cd mentioned below? I tried the usual suspects ('Forced Exposure', AB-CD' 'Aquarius Records' 'CDNow') and a few others with no luck. - -Robert On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:24:08 EDT Samerivertwice@aol.com wrote: >> >> Carol Emanuel's "Top of Trees" is quite nice too. >Wow! If we move to harp now, piano is not far away :-). > Patrice. Todays Sequence: AMM 'Newfoundland', Vladislav Delay 'Entain.', Buckethead 'Bucketheadland' - -- "The true traveller is without goal, it is the absence of goals which creates the ultimate traveller." - -Gao Xingjian 'Soul Mountain' - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:39:25 -0700 From: "z~S" <keith@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: Avant Strings My personal favorite, in a big way: VICTO cd 019 ELLIOT SHARP/ORCHESTRA CARBON "Abstract Repressionism: 1990-99" Gregor Kitzig violin David Soldier violin Wendy Ultan violin Ron Lawrence alto Michelle Kinney violoncello Margret Parkins violoncello Mary Wotten violoncello Lindsay Horner b Joseph Trump dr,perc,elec Elliott Sharp e-b - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:14:11 EDT From: Fastian@aol.com Subject: Re: new Knitting Factory albums - --part1_f9.91347e0.280936a3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/13/01 10:32:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: > And DMG even mentions another one: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MAY 2001 > Street date: May 22, 2001 > > Rob Reddy's Sleeping Dogs: 'However Humble' > Knitting Factory CD 291 > Interesting composer/saxophonist's new band with Charles Burnham (violin, > mandolin), Don Richards (bass), Guillermo E. Brown (drums) and John Carlson > (trumpet). > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > which is strange since a record with the same name was released on Koch > last > year. > > Patrice. > > hey all The release on Koch last year was Rob Reddy's Quttah "However Humble". It is strange Reddy would make another cd with the same title. The lineup on the Koch is Jef Lee Johnson, Charles Burnham, Rufus Cappadocia, Dom Richards, and Hearn Gadbois(percussion). Its definitely worth getting, very memorable tunes and of course great playing. While we're talking about new KF releases, isn't there a new Brad Shepik Trio coming out soon? John Threadgould np Prayer 2 from "However Humble" - --part1_f9.91347e0.280936a3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">In a message dated 4/13/01 10:32:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, proussel@ichips.intel.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And DMG even mentions another one: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAY 2001 Street date: May 22, 2001 Rob Reddy's Sleeping Dogs: 'However Humble' Knitting Factory CD 291 Interesting composer/saxophonist's new band with Charles Burnham (violin, mandolin), Don Richards (bass), Guillermo E. Brown (drums) and John Carlson (trumpet). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ which is strange since a record with the same name was released on Koch last year. Patrice. </BLOCKQUOTE> hey all The release on Koch last year was Rob Reddy's Quttah "However Humble". It is strange Reddy would make another cd with the same title. The lineup on the Koch is Jef Lee Johnson, Charles Burnham, Rufus Cappadocia, Dom Richards, and Hearn Gadbois(percussion). Its definitely worth getting, very memorable tunes and of course great playing. While we're talking about new KF releases, isn't there a new Brad Shepik Trio coming out soon? John Threadgould np Prayer 2 from "However Humble" </HTML> - --part1_f9.91347e0.280936a3_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ End of Zorn List Digest V3 #381 ******************************* To unsubscribe from zorn-list-digest, send an email to "majordomo@lists.xmission.com" with "unsubscribe zorn-list-digest" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. 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