> "He Loved Him Madly": FRANK LONDON & INVOCATIONS (featuring ANTHONY
COLEMAN)
> "Dark Magus": MELVIN GIBBS' LIBERATION THEORY WITH PETE COSEY
> "In a Silent Way": DON BYRON MUSIC FOR SIX MUSICIANS
> "Miles '58/'66": Eddie Henderson with Jimmy Cobb
> "Sketches of Spain": Maria Schneider Orchestra with Wallace Roney and
Miles
> Evans
> "All Blues": VERNON REID AND MASQUE
> "Homage": Wallace Roney Group
> Of course, if you're like me and feel that Miles never, ever did go
through
> a bad period, you might want to try to catch the whole thing.
Actually, i do find his Warner years not as good as the earlier ones.
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:13:44 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: ...exists
> Ken Waxman
> (who sometimes has days when he's not sure that he
> exists)
You know, as Nick S. said,
"Many insist I do not exist
Sometimes i wish i didn't"...
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:10:12 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Odp: Religion/Music
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Chamberlain <cleanhead69@hotmail.com>
> >And i do believe that I, and Patrice and others as well , have good
reasons
> >for rejecting the existence of god.
>
> I haven't heard any of them yet, good or bad. Patrice calls it
> "superstition." I call theism and atheism "faith." Faith in the sense of
> believing something while lacking absolute proof, naive as that might
sound
> to you. I'm not 100% sure that there is a god, except for Pedro Martinez.
The use of concept of being sure (and 100% sure) is rather strange... could
you be 80% sure that god exist? Certainty is a strnge thing...
We do not have proofs for most of the statements we use and rely on.
> manifestation of my psyche. Lack of certainty? My hand, I know, is
typing
> these words, and I have proof that this fantastic computer network works.
It
> seems that the physical stuff, we can be pretty certain of that. Lots of
> evidence, lots of replication of results.
Well, you do not. Of course, it depends on what you take a proof is (a
minal requirement for being a proof: to be a proof of *p* must be easier to
recognize and state then to state *p*. 'Easier' should be read as in
principle easier). But you can be put in a small network where someone
prepares all the replies and sends them from various 'accounts' (OK, it's me
and Patrice who are trying to sell to you some inetenet company and
therefore need to convince you what a huge thing the internet is...;-)).
So we do not have proofs for most of the statements we accept. We do
accept them, however, and we do it on rational grounds (i believing that
eating eggs in the morning is good for me. I do not have aby proof of ot,
but my idea is quite rational). And we (ie some of us) reject the existence
of god for similiar reasons we reject the existence of a big plot that is
aimed to destruct the world: we do not need it, we do not have intyerest in
it, etc. No proof, but rational.
> But really, it's all quite subjective, and like I said, if you feel like
you
> can explain the world without the existence of a deity, or deities, or a
> sense of the divine or spiritual, that's your business.
>
> >what i heard from strongly
> >religius people is quite far from oridinary.
>
> Could you explain this last statement?
I ment that the religious perspective is something quite strange: the
reasons for the existence of god offered by people who were seriously
religious I heard were hardly simliar to what we are discussing here (of
course i do not mean that you are not a good beleiver). The most
interesting case i've heard was that my ideas were based on a strong
acceptance of my personal ideas, reasons, and beliefs: i take them at the
start point. And this is not how it should be: the first 'epistemological'
step should be to accept the bible, and the fact that i should accept what
is written there (quite catholic...).
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:22:28 +0000 (WET)
From: Ricardo Reis <l43384@alfa.ist.utl.pt>
Subject: Odp: Religion/Music
maybe you would be interested in reading this:
http://alfa.ist.utl.pt/Mind.zip
salut,
Ricardo Reis
"NON SERVIAM"
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:40:16 EST
From: BlackBook78@aol.com
Subject: Zorns Instruments/Zorn Himself
What other uncommon instruments does Zorn use besides the wind machine, duck call, samples etc? And are there any Tzadik or otherwise releases that feature only Zorn, or would that be contradictory in terms of how Zorn works?
Thanks
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:00:45 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re:Music/Religion
maybe you would be interested in hear/seeing this:
http://eprarthana.com/virtual/vlakshmi.htm
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:01:47 +1100
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: Zorns Instruments/Zorn Himself
<< And are there any Tzadik or otherwise releases that feature only Zorn, or
would that be contradictory in terms of how Zorn works? >>
The Classic Guide To Strategy.
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:08:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Hywel Davies <hywel99@yahoo.com>
Subject: artur nowak
artur, i've sent emails throughout the past 6 weeks,
What a dirty trick: I thought you were announcing the band the Three Johns.
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:16:35 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: Religion/Music
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:49:41 +0100 "Marcin Gokieli" wrote:
>
> On the other hand, if we decide to really take care of religious
> practices, and god does not exist, we have wasted THE ONLY LIVE WE HAD on
> living according to some restrictions. We wasted all we had.
Based on the amount of time people spend in front of the TV, we can assume
that they have a lot of time to waste :-).
Patrice.
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:14:19 EST
From: Nvinokur@aol.com
Subject: Re: Odp: Religion/Music
In a message dated 3/15/01 12:17:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
proussel@ichips.intel.com writes:
<< On the other hand, if we decide to really take care of religious
> practices, and god does not exist, we have wasted THE ONLY LIVE WE HAD on
> living according to some restrictions. We wasted all we had. >>
The main objective behind religion, (or the bible),is to help people live
together in harmony....The reason for any law should be to lead to
peace...shalom...
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:31:07 -0600
From: Moudry <Moudry@uab.edu>
Subject: Happy borthday Cecil!
If my memorybank's functioning (for once), a wonderful birthday to
Cecil Taylor
(number 72 & counting).
No question who I'll play all evening long.
Saturnally,
Joe Moudry
Office of Academic Computing & Technology
School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham
Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz):
<http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry>
Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio:
WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham
WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama
WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:57:30 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: Religion/Music
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:14:19 EST Nvinokur@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/15/01 12:17:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> proussel@ichips.intel.com writes:
>
> << On the other hand, if we decide to really take care of religious
> > practices, and god does not exist, we have wasted THE ONLY LIVE WE HAD on
> > living according to some restrictions. We wasted all we had. >>
>
> The main objective behind religion, (or the bible),is to help people live
> together in harmony....The reason for any law should be to lead to
> peace...shalom...
I thought the main reason behind religion was to fill what some perceive
as unbearable:
the pointlessness of human life
usually measured by death and nothing after.
Since every step forward by science makes the case of the pointlessness
of human life even stronger (since for science there is nothing special
about human condition, and if there is nothing special what's the use of
a god who cares for human race?), that could explain the increased
popularity of mysticism/superstition since the sixties (since science
shattered many of the few last doubts left in the 50's).
From a consummer point of view, it is clear that science does not meet
most consummer's expectations :-).
Patrice.
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:03:45 -0500
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: wanna buy a bridge?
Did this Rough Trade compilation ever appear on CD? Looking at that Rough Trade box set made me think of this. Back when RT had a US mail order business I used to get their catalogs filled with all this mysterious stuff, especially for somebody from a small town in Alabama. The compilation looked like a good way to find out who these people were which it not only did but remained a favorite for years even after I'd heard entire albums by most of the musicians.
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