you all do know that the recording was produced by Tom Waits??
i kinda like it...but i'm always drawn to covers that are nothing like
the originals.
current favorite: Mark Kozelek's cd of acoustic AC/DC covers.
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"The music is a journey, the journey is endless." - Sun Ra
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:00:01 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Bewitched
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:51:56 -0500 Mark Saleski wrote:
>
> current favorite: Mark Kozelek's cd of acoustic AC/DC covers.
Fantastic! Even for me who had no clue of what AC/DC was :-).
Patrice (waiting for OLD RAMON).
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:04:25 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Religion/Music
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From: Mike Chamberlain <mikec@rocler.qc.ca>
> How's that? I have not claimed that God exists. I also have not claimed
> that God does not exist. Patrice seems to believe that God does not
exist.
> If he makes that claim, then you're saying he has to prove it? He can't.
> And I can't prove, using scientific methods, that God exists.
> In the absence of proof, the only truly rational position to hold is that
of
> an agnostic.
No. Absolutely no.
One hasto make a difference between a proof and a reason.very few of our
beliefs can be justified by proofs - and even those that are are hardly ever
accepted *because* of there being a proof (of course, all his applies when
we take a quite strict mathemtical idea of proof.). The demand to proove
beliefs is to strong: We can have rational ideas based on our expectations,
what we are used to, etc. Science is no exception: the idea of
proof/disproof has hardly of any use there. See the problems of
neopositivist theory of knowledge.
And i do believe that I, and Patrice and others as well , have good reasons
for rejecting the existence of god. we do not use reference to him in our
explanations of tyhe way the world is. If soemone has the, I would be
willing to listen to what he says. And in fact, what i heard from strongly
religius people is quite far from oridinary.
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:13:15 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Bewaited
you all do know that the
recording was produced
by Tom Waits??
And he plays on all tracks but
the first and sings on on the last.
Plus the players are mostly Waits
alumni aren't they?
My 13 and 10 year old sons
like Tom Waits, and they
were screaching with me
and shaking their heads.
"But Dad, I really like that
song when Tom Waits sings
it."
np: Reznor's remixes of Bowie's
'I'm Afraid of Americans'
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:18:11 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Religion/Music
>>>have good reasons
for rejecting the
existence of god<<<
But there is still a
gold mine awaiting
anyone who believes
in the existence of
belief in God...and
studies the structure
and dynamics of those
belief systems...they
have a lot of detailed
information about the
psyche that created
those belief systems...
at one level they are opium...
but there are many more levels...
and tomes have been written...
all of which have incredible
symbolic value...at least until
we turn back into sand...
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:08:57 -0500
From: "Michael Witt" <mwitt@purdue.edu>
Subject: RE: empty bottle festival question
> We're thinking about going to Chicago for the Empty Bottle Festival next
> month and were wondering about whether we need to get tickets in advance.
> Brotzmann's playing Friday night, the Die like a Dog quartet with Fred
> Anderson instead of Kondo. I haven't been to the Empty Bottle
> before, so I
> don't know how big it is, but I'm curious if this show is likely to sell
> out.
The last three years I've gone, the room has been full at least on Friday
and Saturday nights.
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Information Technology Department, Purdue Libraries
email: mwitt@purdue.edu | phone: 765-494-2857
"Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours." -R. Bach
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:28:15 EST
From: Reaboi@aol.com
Subject: Norman's in NYC / Hammond
there's a CD shop in NYC called NORMAN'S. locals will probably know this place. to those of you that don't, this shop has a ton of out-of-print music of just about every genre. they also put CDs out for sale as soon as they get them (usually on a Saturday) and not on the following Tuesday, when just about every distributer lreally 'releases' new music. it's a great place to go for this reason.
well I couldn't wait to buy the Hammond Wicked Grin record. boy do I regret it. I'm not a blues fan by any means. but I am a Waits fanatic. those tunes that he doesn't slaughter are full of lousy blues singing, and he misunderstands most of those tunes. what was Tom thinking? the playing is okay, but the disc has NONE of the dark charm we think of when Waits is involved (sharp contrast to the Marianne Faithful recod Strange Weather). save your money. I'm probably selling mine used in the next few days.
Cheers,
Dave
By the way, last night's Rothenberd-Dresser-Ibarra gig was great. probably Susie's best playing for 1 year. she even said to Dresser, after his solo in the first tune, "That was amazing!"
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:54:17 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Norman's in NYC / Hammond
>>>I'm probably selling mine used in the next few days.<<<
I's feel guilty taking
money for it.
And I think it no accident
that T Bone Burnett put a
smiley face after his signature
in the liner notes.
He should be ashamed of
himself for that drivel.
He's been reading too much Braxton.
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:58:11 +0100
From: "piotr kalinski" <maurycy@astercity.net>
Subject: Odp: Odp: Religion/Music
DvdBelkin wrote:
>> You will NEVER know ANYTHING about spirituality without actually
>> trying to engage in some sort of spiritual practise.
>> You can spend a lifetime reading New Age books or listening to Dalajlama
>> but you will not even get close. Which means you will not have any
grounds
>> to base your judgment as to which reality is more mysterious or
>fascinating.
>
>So you define certain practices and realities - but not others - as
>spiritual, huh?
Not really. All I'm saying is that you cannot judge a spiritual reality
of, say, a New Age writer or of Lao Tzu for that matter if you don't
engage in practises which led those people to achieve what they achieved.
I believe a person saying that their everyday reality is mysterious or
fascinating
or spiritual but that's just about as far as that person's judgments go.
They cannot and should not compare it (their spirituality) to anyone else's.
But then again, you're right - I can safely say that beating a person to
death
or buying a Bruce Springsteen record with an intension of playing it to
one's child
is pretty fucking far from spiritual.
piotr
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:22:34 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: Religion/Music
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 08:58:11PM +0100, piotr kalinski wrote:
> or buying a Bruce Springsteen record with an intension of playing it to
> one's child
> is pretty fucking far from spiritual.
There are many in New Jersey who would disagree.
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:28:13 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnick@gis.net>
Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: Religion/Music
Mike Chamberlain wrote:
> Ahhh, New Jersey--the land that God forgot. :-)
All the more appropriate, I suppose, that we're moving to Jersey City
next month...
Brian Olewnick
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:38:54 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: any news on the new Nobukazu Takemura
The new Nobukazu Takemura on Thrill Jockey was supposed to be out on February
20. I am not seen it. Is it really out?
Thanks,
Patrice (1 + 1 = 2).
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:50:38 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Bewaited
Is it anywhere near as lame as Holly Cole's album of Waits songs?
