on 3/13/01 6:46 PM, Rick Lopez at bb10k@velocity.net wrote:
> on 3/13/01 6:37 PM, Mike Chamberlain at mikec@rocler.qc.ca puffed
> unimpressively:
>
>> Oh, BTW, prove to me that God--or whatever you want to call a higher
>> spiritual power--does not exist. Atheism is based as much on faith as
>> theism is.
>
> Sorry. Proof lies with claimant. Your statement is false.
>
> Really sorry,
How's that? I have not claimed that God exists. I also have not claimed
that God does not exist. Patrice seems to believe that God does not exist.
If he makes that claim, then you're saying he has to prove it? He can't.
And I can't prove, using scientific methods, that God exists.
In the absence of proof, the only truly rational position to hold is that of
an agnostic.
So, to claim either that there is or isn't a God requires faith.
- --Mike
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:16:49 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Religion/Music
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:53:42 -0800 "s~Z" wrote:
>
> >>>There's a god of thunder named
> Thor who's personally responsible
> for each and every lightning bolt
> (when he's not being pestered by Loki);
> prove that there isn't.<<<
>
> It's a myth. It's mythic reality.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The good thing when you stretch the accepted interpretation of words
is that you can say anything and the minute after its exact opposite. Any
argument can be made since the whole rethoric is built on sand. It is like
playing a game where you are free to change the rules based on how critical
your situation is.
The impossibility of falsification, wasn't it used to be the test for hogwash?
Just curious, when a kid ask you what a myth is, what answer do you offer?
In my case I would start with: "It is something not real...". But I guess
I am not a sophisticated person.
Patrice.
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:18:30 EST
From: DvdBelkin@aol.com
Subject: Re: science, rationality, religion
In a message dated 3/13/01 6:40:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mikec@rocler.qc.ca writes:
> Whatever Swami Satchidananda's sins were, they did nothing to discredit the
> search for spiritual enlightenment or techniques for transcending ordinary
> consciousness.
Wasn't saying that at all. Was saying that you can be "spiritually
enlightened" and politically and socially unenlightened and ethically weak.
Indeed, in my reading of history - just check out the checkered gallary of
canonized Catholic saints (and when you look at Hasidic holymen, or any other
religion's mystic elite, it's no better) - this state of affairs is the
rule, not the exception. Just as the absence of ironclad commandments to
NEVER ASCRIBE GREATER HUMANITY TO YOUR CORELIGIONISTS is the rule, not the
exception, in organized religions.
Me, I kind of reached the point somewhere along the line where the conscious
pursuit of "self-transcendence" struck me as being a supremely selfish use of
one's time. The baby is crying; pick him up. Your grandmother is failing;
take her in. Without it ever even occuring to you that you're specially holy
shit for doing it. That's the real deal.
David
np: Freakwater, "Gone to Stay," (Old Paint CD)
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:24:54 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: RE: Charged
YES ... it is the Laswell, Kondo, Bernocchi group!!1
This one is great ... their album CHARGED is excellent ... I liked Kondo
work on KI-OKU with DJ KRUSH ... is you like this band then get this CD, is
one of my favourites ... not as diverse as the LASWELL, BERNOCCHI one, but
still great KONDO soloing with KRUSH's betas in the back ... good one for
KONDO, not too good one for KRUSH: amazing album.
Neil H. Enet
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:20:46 EST
From: Stinkipipi@aol.com
Subject: Re: Charged
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> I've got this CD. Hmmm...well...I'd put it a little above some of Herb
> Albert's work of late...
>
wow, that's harsh. there are reviews up on my site (under laswell and
bernocchi's discographies)
dave
http://www.geocities.com/slntwtchr
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