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Zorn List Digest        Monday, March 12 2001        Volume 03 : Number 330



In this issue:
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       Uitti Ain't No Teeny-Bopper
       Max Roach@Harvard (Re: News for Lulu)
       iranian music
       braxton/trivium
       braxton/triv-missing part of previous letter
       Re: traditional Iranian music
       Re: Matthew Shipp -- Magnetism
       The Melvins live
       RE: News for Lulu
       Re: Coming Elvis Attractions
       Re: Coming Elvis Attractions
       John Hammond Does Tom Waits
       Re: Matthew Shipp -- Magnetism
       Re: Religion/Music
       Re: Religion/Music

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:15:52 -0800
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Uitti Ain't No Teeny-Bopper

>>>She (Uitti) said she
didn't put her music in
any other categories.
She thinks it speaks
eloquently for itself.<<<

Just completed the whole interview:
http://www.newcreativemusic.com/3_11_01/km.html





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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:40:53 -0500
From: "Ryan W. Blum" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Max Roach@Harvard (Re: News for Lulu)

*cough*

speaking of, I'd like to take a second to announce a concert at the ol'
school:
______
8pm, April 7 at Sanders Theater, Harvard University, Cambridge, Ma.

Office for the Arts presents
Dancing on Drums

A concert in honor of percussion improvising master Max Roach featuring
members of the Harvard University Jazz Band, and directed by Thomas Everett=
.
Guest artists will include Connie Crothers, piano, and Diane Walker, tap
dancer. The program will feature the never-ending search for new experience=
s
that continue to represent Max Roach's creative output, including the
premiere of a new composition by Boston composer Jeff Friedman which uses a
motif from Max Roach's classic "Koko" solo, as well as finale effort by Max
and the Band on a finale by Anthony Braxton (arranged for this occasion fro=
m
previous material).

Tickets: $12 regular, $8 students and seniors =A0
more info: Harvard Box Office
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~memhall/boxofc.html
______

Sorry for the solicitation...
Ryan

> From: Matt Teichman <[e-mail]>
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:56:40 -0500
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: News for Lulu
>=20
> DMG can start a wait list for the record; it will be like applying to
> Harvard.

- --=20
[e-mail]            http://fas.harvard.edu/~rblum
The only thing that is not art is inattention - Marcel Duchamp


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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:44:13 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: iranian music

In a message dated 3/11/01 7:57:10 PM,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Nirav Soni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: traditional Iranian music

I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but, knowing the erudition
of zornlisters (zorn-agains?) it may just be. I recently heard the cd "Night
Silence Desert" by Mohammad Reza Shajarian & Kayhan Kalhor, and really
enjoyed it. Does anyone have a recommendations of tradtional Iranian music
and sources for it?
 >>
dear nirav,
i recommend, without being able to describe any w/o listening again:
your guy above: mhd reza shadjarian: musiqe classique persane. ocora c559097
. iran. celestial music of ostad elhi- luta tambur (chant du monde)
.iran. hossein 'omoumi, neyy (nimbus 5359) (might be on sale cheap at
broinc.com)
.iran. music ofiran,  v1. world music library (dist koch)
.iran. farah: musique pour scheherazde: amori am004 (swiss label)
.iran.persian heritage: classical: faramaz ens. noneuch LP (prob on cd too)
and a 3cd set cheap on hamronia mundi, also avail indiv: the music of iran:
tar, ney, oud
yrs
steve koenig
n.p.: malcolm in the middle (on teevee)

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:46:45 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: braxton/trivium

In a message dated 3/11/01 7:57:10 PM,
[e-mail] writes:

<<  oh, give me a break. read the libretto for Trillium, and then tell me
that
> Braxton is beyond criticism.

I'd be eager to, but can't seem to convince myself to shake loose the
big bux for the CD set. >>

hi guys
again, i love braxton, but tacky is tacky:
to quote from myself in the current LaFolia 3.2:

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:50:01 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: braxton/triv-missing part of previous letter

<  oh, give me a break. read the libretto for Trillium, and then tell me tha=
t=20
> Braxton is beyond criticism.

I'd be eager to, but can't seem to convince myself to shake loose the
big bux for the CD set. >>

hi guys
again, i love braxton, but tacky is tacky:
to quote from myself in the current LaFolia 3.2:=20
Anthony Braxton.  Composition No. 174.  (Leo CD LR 217, 44:57,=20
atlas.co.uk/leorecords/)  The subtitle reads =93for ten percussionists, slid=
e=20
projections, constructed environment and tape.=94  The review reads: for=20
fantastic percussion sections continually interrupted by severely pretentiou=
s=20
text about a tour, perhaps in outer space.  =93For M-class travellers, scale=
=20
the ridge sectors.=94  I=92ll take the karaoke version, please.  Makes=20
Stockhausen look down-to-Earth.  Of course, both composers have written for=20
interplanetary ensembles.  Then again, Stockhausen writes in German so much=20
can be overlooked.  Would that they were as forward-looking as Sun Ra and ha=
d=20
merely been intergalactic.  Nonetheless, kudos to Leo for making this=20
available for the Braxton completist.  I wonder if he=92ll put out a DVD; th=
e=20
visuals are sorely lacking, though the plot remains the same.
- --steve koenig

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:59:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Pratt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: traditional Iranian music

> I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but,
> knowing the erudition of zornlisters (zorn-agains?)
> it may just be. I recently heard the cd "Night
> Silence Desert" by Mohammad Reza Shajarian & Kayhan
> Kalhor, and really enjoyed it. Does anyone have a
> recommendations of tradtional Iranian music and
> sources for it?
>
> Nirav

There's a fucking great Shajarian disc on Kereshmeh
called "The Abu-Ata Concert" with Mohammed Reza Lotfi
playing tar. There's some echo on the recording but
the music is really beautiful.

From the liner notes:

"The performance on this recording was held on March
4th, 1981, in the German Cultural Center in Tehran.
This was to introduce the clasical music of Iran to
the affiliates of the cultural center. On the eve of
the performance, a historical event took place at
Tehran University. After a large demonstration, there
were violent clashes between a faction of
revolutionaries and the students, following attempts
by the revolutionaries to impose their political,
ideological, and religious beliefs at the university.
In those clashes many members of the faculty and the
student body were arrested and detained. Among those
detained was Mohammed Reza Lotfi, who was Head of the
School of Music at the time. Mr. Lotfi was held for
several hours and arrived one hour later than the
scheduled time of the performance. The concert
commenced after a ninety-minute delay."

                 -Tom Pratt

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:56:36 +0100
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Matthew Shipp -- Magnetism

I think Magnetism was released on a french label, so I checked a french
online store: fnac.com
And it seems to be available there !
the direct link to find that page is:
http://www.fnac.com/Shelf/article.asp?PRID=771880&SubjectId=0&SID=6E3CE8AD%2
D0E6A%2DA0BD%2D64B1%2DAC9806318B97&UID=&AID=&Origin=FnacAff&Pe=16&No=4&Fr=0&
Mn=14&Ra=-28&To=0

The only thing you have to worry about is how long you will have to wait
before it's delivered to you in the US....

But performing a search on Matthew Shipp also brings out a few albums I had
never heard of: "Blink of an eye" (with Rob Brown), "Circular temple"...
Anyone heard (of) them ?


Pascal.

At 09:34 10/03/01 EST, you wrote:
>Anyone know where I can find a copy of Matthew shipp's "Magnetism" disc?
>It's probably hiding out in the Twilight Zone with Tim Berne's "Fractured
>Fairy Tales."
>
>Still trying to re-establish his bookmarks after a crash,
>Tom
>
>-
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:17:15 +0100
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Melvins live

Hi y'all...

Went to see The Melvins live last night in Zurich.

They now have a second guitar-player, which makes the experience even
better.

I absolutely loved the show; it was great from the very beginning
through to the end. No "boring bits". Very energetic...

They're still on the road in Europe and will be touring the States soon.
Check them out if you're into this kind of thing.

patRice

np: Hun-Huur-Tu, The Orphant's Lament
nr: Steve Gilbert, Tattoo History Source Book


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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:19:35 +0100
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: News for Lulu

Can't remember who asked, but...

there's a shop in Zurich/Switzerland named KARBON that always had some
copies in stock - of both, "News for Lulu" and "More News for Lulu". I'm
sure they do mail-order.

If you want to know more - mail me privately, I'll find out details for
you.

patRice


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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 13:35:33 +0100 (MET)
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: Re: Coming Elvis Attractions

Joseph witticized:

>The mind boggles, trying to decide whether you mean Elvis Presley or
>Elvis Stojko :-)

`Twas not my intention to discombobulate anyone. Figured the cute little
hint "Attractions" in the subject line would tip you all off... ;-)
(Whatever happened to Elvis Stojko btw?)

Tom wondered:

>If ANYONE else were attached to
>this album, would I like it?  The answer is an emphatic no.  (Well, maybe i=
f
>Tom Waits were attached I'd give it a chance, but no one else.)

I know this feeling. On the other hand, I=B4m one of those who thought
_Painted From Memory_ was the bee=B4s knees and cat=B4s pyjamas all in one.
However, if it indeed turns out to sound "bland and lifeless" as you
stated, I=B4m sure to join you in being disappointed. Costello and von Otter
first performed together in Stockholm and the concert was rebroadcast on
Swedish radio a couple of years ago - my impression then was of a match
made in heaven. They did quite a bit of Kurt Weill. Maybe they should have
foregone the studio album and released the concert tape....?

We=B4ll see. All the best, Stephen

Stephen Fruitman
Dept of Historical Studies
Ume=E5 University
SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden



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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:41:26 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Coming Elvis Attractions

The Costello/van Otter Stockholm concert was much better than the album, to=20
my ears. =20

As for Painted From Memory, I enjoyed the album for what it was -- a very=20
polished collection of broken heart songs.  But, again, the production=20
eclipsed the songs.  Seeing Elvis twice with Burt Bacharach was like=20
listening to the album, and both shows were by far the worst Elvis concerts=20
I've ever attended.  Conversely, seeing Elvis about eight more times between=
=20
1999-2000 with Steve Nieve as his only accompaniment was stunning -- easily=20
some of his best shows since the 1986 Spinning Songbook tour.  As a duo,=20
Costello and Nieve breathed more life into the PFM songs than Bacharach's=20
battalion of strings, backup singers and flourishes. =20

Still thinks Elvis is king,
tom

P.S.  Favorite Costello albums:

1)  King of America
2)  Get Happy!!!
3)  Blood And Chocolate
4)  Brutal Youth
5)  This Year's Model
6)  My Aim Is True
7)  The Juliette Letters
8)  Mighty Like A Rose
9)  Spike
10)  Trust

In a message dated 3/12/01 7:37:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[e-mail] writes:

<< Tom wondered:
=20
 >If ANYONE else were attached to
 >this album, would I like it?  The answer is an emphatic no.  (Well, maybe=20=
if
 >Tom Waits were attached I'd give it a chance, but no one else.)
=20
 I know this feeling. On the other hand, I=B4m one of those who thought
 _Painted From Memory_ was the bee=B4s knees and cat=B4s pyjamas all in one.
 However, if it indeed turns out to sound "bland and lifeless" as you
 stated, I=B4m sure to join you in being disappointed. Costello and von Otte=
r
 first performed together in Stockholm and the concert was rebroadcast on
 Swedish radio a couple of years ago - my impression then was of a match
 made in heaven. They did quite a bit of Kurt Weill. Maybe they should have
 foregone the studio album and released the concert tape....?
=20
 We=B4ll see. All the best, Stephen >>


_____________________________________________________________________
Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately,=20
and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:31:40 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: John Hammond Does Tom Waits

"HAMMOND'S WICKED GRIN

"I don't have the words to describe what went down," veteran blues
singer
and guitarist John Hammond says of the recording of his new album,
Wicked
Grin, which will be released on Pointblank/Virgin on Tuesday.

With Tom Waits as producer, Hammond describes the experience as
"unearthly"
in the synchronicity and ease with which they worked.

Unearthly is an apt description of the record's raw, dreamlike
swamp-blues
covers of 12 of Waits' songs. The one non-blues treatment is a brand-new

song, "Fannin Street," which marks Hammond's first ever country ballad ,

albeit a tongue-in-cheek murder ballad.

"It didn't start out that way," Hammond says of Wicked Grin's song
lineup.
"But as soon as I recorded one of his songs, which was '2:19,' everybody

just said, 'Yeah, we can do this.'"

"Everybody just fit right in the groove; I knew that was the direction
to
go," he adds, speaking from Chapel Hill, N.C., during a stop on his solo

tour.

All in all, 20 of Waits' songs were recorded with the selection for the
CD
whittled down to 12: "Tom has so many incredible songs, and so many are
right up my alley," says Hammond.

Recorded in just five days at the beginning of 2000, Wicked Grin takes
Hammond's traditional Delta blues and adds Waits'
through-the-looking-glass
illustrations. "It kind of combines what Tom does with what I do, and we

just kind of made it work," Hammond says.

The two have known each other since the early '70s, and in 1992, Waits
provided a song, "No One Can Forgive Me but My Baby," for Hammond's
Pointblank debut, Got Love if You Want It. Hammond returned the favor,
playing on Waits tour de force return to recording, Mule Variations,
which
was released to huge acclaim in 1999 on Epitaph Records.

However, the final track on Wicked Grin breaks the mold, as Hammond and
Waits perform an incredible, bellicose duet on the traditional gospel
song
"I Know I've Been Changed."

"Tom loved that song, and it was just unique, the duet," says Hammond on

the decision to break Wicked Grin's pattern and include it. "It was so
simple and so real." --Linda Laban

______________________________________________________________________
Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately,
and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:35:37 -0600
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Matthew Shipp -- Magnetism

On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:56:36AM +0100, Pascal Cortes wrote:
> I think Magnetism was released on a french label, so I checked a french
> online store: fnac.com
> And it seems to be available there !
> the direct link to find that page is:
> http://www.fnac.com/Shelf/article.asp?PRID=771880&SubjectId=0&SID=6E3CE8AD%2
> D0E6A%2DA0BD%2D64B1%2DAC9806318B97&UID=&AID=&Origin=FnacAff&Pe=16&No=4&Fr=0&
> Mn=14&Ra=-28&To=0
>
> The only thing you have to worry about is how long you will have to wait
> before it's delivered to you in the US....

I've ordered one item from FNAC, and it got here (Washington, DC) in a
week.

- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| [e-mail]           http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Jerusaklyn                  http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music    Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |


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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:10:01 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Religion/Music

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:21:18 -0600  Joseph Zitt wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:08:15PM -0500, Mike Chamberlain wrote:
>
> > Yes, but religion is not science.
>
> There are several meanings of "science" which clearly include aspects
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Could you clarify that? Who are the people who propose these "several
meanings of science which include aspects of religions".

I know many crackpots who do that, but I am curious to see if you have
somebody in mind with some serious scientific credentials.

> of religions. And the farther toward the edges of each you get (as
> well as those of "art") the more the areas blur.
>
> --
> |> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
> | [e-mail]           http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
> | Latest CD: Jerusaklyn                  http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
> | Comma: Voices of New Music    Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
>
>
> -
>


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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:20:31 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Religion/Music

On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:36:23 -0500  Mike Chamberlain wrote:
>
> on 3/9/01 11:21 PM, Joseph Zitt at [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:08:15PM -0500, Mike Chamberlain wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, but religion is not science.
> >
> > There are several meanings of "science" which clearly include aspects
> > of religions. And the farther toward the edges of each you get (as
> > well as those of "art") the more the areas blur.
>
> I agree completely.  There are many similarities between science and
> religion, starting with the fact that they are faith-based knowledge
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And this is written seriously by somebody typing at its keyboard a message
sent through Internet, maybe the most amazing scientific achievement of
humankind (by merging almost every technology)...

How can you say that with a straight face when you can find almost any
flavor of religion you can imagine and when there is always only one
scientific explanation for almost every phenomena (with the exception
of the most speculative and new research)?

> systems.  Both get into trouble when they try to usurp what I see to be as
> the proper role of the other, though.

Are you talking about science or its use by politicians and others?

    Patrice.

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