Subject: Re: Bonzo dog dooh da was: Odp: Odp: cant do 10
Never thought I'd see a discussion on the Bonzos here but cheers!
Their first one,Gorilla, is sublimely, insane fun with some bizarre covers of standards (Sound of Music, Cool Brittania, etc.). If you like the debut, you
should get The Doughnuts in Grannys Greenhouse too.
Best,
Jason
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:37:53 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: well-informed, open-minded people
On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:24:55 -0500 Mike Chamberlain wrote:
>
> In my case, two hours of Mr. Patton fronting for the X-Ecutioners was quite
> enough to put me off the man for a good long time, though I do quite like
> his vocal on the "Hank McCain" piece on the "Gundown" reissue.
I also found that concert quite annoying. Mike Patton gave me the impression
of a rich kid playing with expansive toys he did not know what to do with.
The X-Ecutioners were what made the show interesting, at least when being
successful at ignoring Patton's vocal antics.
Patrice (who loves Patton, but only in rock context).
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:52:48 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: well-informed, open-minded people
On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:29:25 -0500 (EST) Ken Waxman wrote:
>
> That said, I wish fewer people like Patton and
> Thurston Moore were playing "experimental" festivals
> like FIMAV to open up space for those musicians some
> of us think are bringing more to the soundscape.
Same here... I am sure that Patton and Moore are genuine lovers of classical
contemporary music and other on the fringe genres, but their attempts (Patton
with classical contemporary, and Moore with improv) are, IMHO, quite
disappointing. They proceed with a single-minded attitude which is miles away
from the true innovators of the genres. It is as if they caught the spirit
but failed to see the crafmanship and the vision. They remind me people who
talk about savant things at the tea party level (usually missing what is
really important).
Not to mention their "transform-to-gold-anything-they-touch" status which
is quite annoying.
Maybe we should reassure them that they can still be decent human beings
by only playing rock music :-).
Patrice.
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:06:00 EST
From: BlackBook78@aol.com
Subject: Re: Waits/Ribot
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In a message dated 03/01/2001 12:35:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
shkin@shkin.com writes:
> The video
> is not even just a concert, but a kind of performance. Find it and
> enjoy!
>
>
Good luck finding it. Its incredibly rare and though it's on Ebay quite
frequently, it fetches up to 75 easily. Great video though, especially the
performance where he his holding an umbrella set on fire.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 03/01/2001 12:35:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<BR>is not even just a concert, but a kind of performance. Find it and
<BR>enjoy!
<BR>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Good luck finding it. Its incredibly rare and though it's on Ebay quite
<BR>frequently, it fetches up to 75 easily. Great video though, especially the
<BR>performance where he his holding an umbrella set on fire.</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 19:15:26 EST
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: "well-informed, open-minded people"
I can't really speak for Thurston Moore's non-SY stuff, as I've only heard Goodbye 20th Century, but to dismiss Patton as a rich kid who doesn't know how to operate his equipment seems like sour grapes to me. A brief listen to his solo albums and to Fantomas should tell anyone that he at least knows how to use what he has. Also, to say that these 'rock/experimental' guys shouldn't be playing festivals, or that they should stick to what they know best, simply because you don't like their music, seems unbelievably snobbish. Just because a composer/musician chooses to work in one 'genre' does not automatically qualify him as more authentic or qualified than someone 'encroaching' from elsewhere. In fact, it just as often could smack of aesthetic tunnel-vision, unfortunately fairly common.
I fall a bit short of Patton-worshiping myself, but I like his music a lot. I happen to think that his music has more instinctive intelligence and heart than about 50% of the music discussed on this list, actually.
('IMHO')
Not-to-mention that their transform-everything-to-gold status is most likely foisted upon them by other people, as are the categories and genre names that those people use top describe their music.
- -Matt Mitchell
>
> That said, I wish fewer people like Patton and
> Thurston Moore were playing "experimental" festivals
> like FIMAV to open up space for those musicians some
> of us think are bringing more to the soundscape.
>>Same here... I am sure that Patton and Moore are genuine lovers of classical
contemporary music and other on the fringe genres, but their attempts (Patton
with classical contemporary, and Moore with improv) are, IMHO, quite
disappointing. They proceed with a single-minded attitude which is miles away
from the true innovators of the genres. It is as if they caught the spirit
but failed to see the crafmanship and the vision. They remind me people who
talk about savant things at the tea party level (usually missing what is
really important).
Not to mention their "transform-to-gold-anything-they-touch" status which
is quite annoying.
Maybe we should reassure them that they can still be decent human beings
by only playing rock music :-).
Patrice.
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:20:54 -0500
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Waits/Ribot
Hello BlackBook78,
Thursday, March 01, 2001, you wrote to me:
>> The video is not even just a concert, but a kind of performance.
>> Find it and enjoy!
Bac> Good luck finding it. Its incredibly rare and though it's on Ebay quite
Bac> frequently, it fetches up to 75 easily.
I saw it on eBay once and was really surprised that it is so
expensive. The thing is that I have it but... it is in PAL (European)
standard, so there is no way to watch it here in New York. I hope to
find it some day though, or I will just make a copy somewhere.
Bac> Great video though, especially the performance where he his
Bac> holding an umbrella set on fire.
I cannot say which part I like the most. I think it is all absolutely
genius work.
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Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:40:20 EST
From: BlackBook78@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Waits/Ribot
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In a message dated 03/01/2001 4:21:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,
shkin@shkin.com writes:
> I saw it on eBay once and was really surprised that it is so
> expensive. The thing is that I have it but... it is in PAL (European)
> standard, so there is no way to watch it here in New York. I hope to
> find it some day though, or I will just make a copy somewhere.
>
>
Luckily, I bought mine (near mint, I'm sure nobody in this small area even
knows who Tom W. is) for five bucks from a video store that was closing down.
Also found a decent copy of Koyaanisqatsi which is rare as well with a great
soundtrack by Phillip Glass. I'd copy it for you if I had two VCR's, though
I don't even watch it anymore. I suppose we could work out a trade if you
really want it that bad.
Mike
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 03/01/2001 4:21:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<BR>shkin@shkin.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I saw it on eBay once and was really surprised that it is so
<BR>expensive. The thing is that I have it but... it is in PAL (European)
<BR>standard, so there is no way to watch it here in New York. I hope to
<BR>find it some day though, or I will just make a copy somewhere.
<BR>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Luckily, I bought mine (near mint, I'm sure nobody in this small area even
<BR>knows who Tom W. is) for five bucks from a video store that was closing down.
<BR> Also found a decent copy of Koyaanisqatsi which is rare as well with a great
<BR>soundtrack by Phillip Glass. I'd copy it for you if I had two VCR's, though
<BR>I don't even watch it anymore. I suppose we could work out a trade if you
<BR>really want it that bad.
<BR>
<BR>Mike</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 20:47:34 -0500
From: Mike Chamberlain <mikec@rocler.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: "well-informed, open-minded people"
on 3/1/01 7:15 PM, Nudeants@aol.com at Nudeants@aol.com wrote:
Whatever. You're missing the point of my original post, which was that I'd
rather read top ten lists than some of the other stuff that comes up here.
YMMV.
- --Mike
> I fall a bit short of Patton-worshiping myself, but I like his music a lot. I
> happen to think that his music has more instinctive intelligence and heart
> than about 50% of the music discussed on this list, actually.
>
>
> ('IMHO')
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:16:58 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Bonzo dog
In college we used to call
townies in the middle of the
night and play the Bonzo's
macabre laugh track "Slush"
for their listening enjoyment.
Not a good track to listen to
stoned.
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 21:09:50 -0500
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Ibarra / MASADA history???
Had this request come in:
> i read in the wire, a few months (years?) ago,
[AUG 97 --RL]
> that Susie Ibarra did play with the
> Masada Quartet, replacing a suffering Joey Baron on one occasion. But i
> just can find where and when that took place, and if that was recorded by
> anyone. I'm not into trading-- i'm doing a web page about Masada and
> tracking the different places where they played.
