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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #268
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, February 1 2001 Volume 03 : Number 268
In this issue:
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new orleans landmarks
Re: Odp: Dave Liebman Recs
Re: saragossa manuscript
Re: reriobec
Re: saragossa manuscript
Infinite Chug online?
re: Infinite Chug online?
Re: saragossa manuscript
Re: Dave Liebman Recs
metal
Liebman
Re: reriobec
Liebman
RE: metal
RE: metal
RE: metal
Re: metal
ZORN INTERVIEW (IN SPANISH/ATTACHMENTS)
this is odd--Sex Mob in Binghamton
Corrections: Re: this is odd--Sex Mob in Binghamton
charlie parker - comp savoy & dial
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:52:34 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: new orleans landmarks
a better article was the kidd jordan-led tour of storyville in a recent issue of
signal to noise. but here's something from the a.p. which may be of interest. as
usual, write me if you want to see the whole shebang.
kg
np: john hammond - wicked grin (songs of tom waits)
New Orleans debates preservation of jazz landmarks
AP Photos
By BRETT MARTEL
Associated Press Writer
NEW ORLEANS (AP) - It's easy to stroll past the downtown block where Louis
Armstrong grew up, around the corner from where "cornet king" Buddy Bolden
played his regular gigs - and not even know it.
The very neighborhood that cemented New Orleans' place in world cultural history
is now a bland amalgam of government buildings and paved parking lots.
The Masonic and Oddfellows Hall where Bolden made his name still stands, but as
a nondescript, hollowed-out brick shell.
"It looks like a burnt-out zone," says Bruce Raeburn, curator of the Hogan Jazz
Archive at Tulane University.
To some, it's an outrage that there are essentially no physical markers - no
plaques, statues or monuments - at many of the places where the musicians who
gave birth to jazz lived and performed.
Others say it's the music that matters, that there are still plenty of intimate
bars and clubs where local musicians continue to create what has been called the
great American art form.
"Building a jazz infrastructure means investing in the musicians and places
where they can play," says Mayor Marc Morial, whose great uncle was trombonist
Kid Ory. "The buildings are important, but you've really got to create a package
that includes the music."
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:04:16 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: Dave Liebman Recs
>From: Marius Ergo <mariusergo@hotmail.com>
>
> > >Where else but this list to ask for Dave Liebman recommendations?
A couple of early '70s titles on ECM: Drum Ode, and especially Lookout
Farm, not forgetting his work with Elvin Jones, Live At the Lighthouse is
good, Dark Magus his best with Miles, and a great but obscure date with
drummer Bob Moses, Bittersweet In The Ozone...
Peace Out!
N.P. Cecil Taylor 'Unit Structures'
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:07:47 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: saragossa manuscript
>From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
>well, after all the talk about this movie here, I rented it today. I
>haven't seen it yet...
Watch it yet? Opinions? Anyone seen the film AND read the book? How do they
compare? I've just started reading it...
Peace Out!
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:12:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: reriobec
Kurt:
No and no. The label had been around for about 20
years at the time. It just happened to be FMP's second
CD.
Ken Waxman
- --- kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
>
> so if the taylor/sommer disc was the second release
> on fmp, the label musta been
> new at the time of taylor's epic stay in germany,
> yeah? was the label founded to
> document taylor in berlin?
>
> kg
> np: dolly parton - the grass is blue
>
>
>
> -
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:22:11 -0800
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: saragossa manuscript
thomas chatterton wrote:
>
> Anyone seen the film AND read the book? How do they
> compare? I've just started reading it...
Book is much longer & more involved -- the film is something like
"Selected Riffs from _Saragossa Manuscript_, with Has' own take on time
& space added in. The book is basically structured as an Arabian Nights
stories-w/in-stories sort of narrative, so that's really ok, but they're
different animals. (There's a lot more *in* the book, esp. if you count
the second volume, _The New Decameron_ ... n.b. the book's publishing
history is pretty gnarled, there's no such thing as an "authoritative"
edition, i.e. whatever edition you look at is going to be missing/adding
linking materials differently in the area around the volume divide ...
kind of appropriate, when you think on't.)
- --
Jim Flannery
newgrange@sfo.com
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:54:20 -0500
From: David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com>
Subject: Infinite Chug online?
does anyone on the zorn-list know of an online distributor
that carries cds released by the "Infinite Chug" label?
I am looking for
1996, Legend of the blood yeti, Infinite Chug 5CD. XIII Ghosts.
Or, anyone got a copy they want to sell?
Thanks.
David K.
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:05:43 -0500
From: pequet@altern.org (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: re: Infinite Chug online?
At 14:54 31/01/01 -0500, David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com> wrote:
>does anyone on the zorn-list know of an online distributor
>that carries cds released by the "Infinite Chug" label?
Themselves
http://www.inchug.force9.co.uk/
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:51:25 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: saragossa manuscript
In a message dated 1/31/01 2:08:42 PM, chatterton23@hotmail.com writes:
<< Watch it yet? Opinions? >>
I saw it last night. I found the structure pretty intriguing, but I'm not
sure how much it all added up to.
to be fair, I don't like too many movies (very rarely do I feel like the 2 or
so hours I've devoted to them has been worthwhile), and I defer to others
here with greater expertise, like Jim and Lang.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:23:46 +0000 (GMT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Marsh?= <astrogarage@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Dave Liebman Recs
mike wrote:
>Where else but this list to ask for Dave Liebman
reccomendations?
As others have suggested, Liebman is fantastic on Dark
Magus and also on 'Get up With It', but his early 70s
solo records are well worth a listen. 'Drum Ode' has
just been reissued by ECM and is highly recommended -
it's spacey and it grooves mightily too, (Bob Moses,
Badal Roy, Collin Walcott, Barry Altschul) as does
'Sweet Hands', if you can find it. (Nice vicious
guitar histrionics by John Abercrombie on this one).
The 'Lookout Farm' discs on ECM a/ Richie Beirach are
lovely as well. A much underrated player IMHO. Bless
'im.
cheers
peter
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:26:39 EST
From: ObviousEye@aol.com
Subject: metal
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i have recently been digging into the world of metal music, and i would love
some recommendations from members of the list.
here is what i've heard and liked :Opeth, Neurosis, some Cradle of Filth, the
Gathering, etc.
however, i don't know much about metal's genre divisions, or the classic
records in any metal genre. also, i am more interested in progressive
metal...diverse and BIG, like Opeth music.
thanks.
ben o /\ o neb
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>i have recently been digging into the world of metal music, and i would love
<BR>some recommendations from members of the list.
<BR>here is what i've heard and liked :Opeth, Neurosis, some Cradle of Filth, the
<BR>Gathering, etc.
<BR>
<BR>however, i don't know much about metal's genre divisions, or the classic
<BR>records in any metal genre. also, i am more interested in progressive
<BR>metal...diverse and BIG, like Opeth music.
<BR>
<BR>thanks.
<BR>
<BR>ben o /\ o neb</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 03:30:00 EST
From: Brennansf@aol.com
Subject: Liebman
He gave a pretty interesting interview to Cadence a year or so back.
Jerry
> I enjoyed reading Liebman's (slim,
> concise)autobiography,
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:45:46 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: reriobec
>From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
>
><< so if the taylor/sommer disc was the second release on fmp, the label
>musta been
>new at the time of taylor's epic stay in germany, yeah? was the label
>founded
>to
>document taylor in berlin? >>
>
>nope, that was just the second CD. they put out more than 100 LPs starting
>around 1969 or 1970. full discography at:
>
>http://www.wam.umd.edu/~losinp/music/fmp.html
FMP finally maintains a website with tour schedules and a lot of useful
links to musicians and (mostly) european festivals at
www.free-music-production.de
Andreas
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 11:29:24 +0100
From: "Marius Ergo" <mariusergo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Liebman
There is a great realadio interview with Dave on a norwegian internet radio
site called jazzscene:
http://jazzscene.no/jazz/index.html
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:12:22 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: RE: metal
Hello,
we had a discussion about metal a few months ago and I know you're going to
have a lot of recommendations from the list.
I used to be a metal fan, but I haven't heard anything since 1994. So I
can recommend some classic metal albums!!!
My favourites (at that time) were:
DEATH w/Chuck Schuldiner (specially the HUMAN and INDIVIDUAL THOUGHT
PATTERN labums which were very progressive.
PESTILENCE I enjoyed their album SPHERES which was also very progressive
oh, and to me, the masters of progressive metal (well, death metal, that
kind of thing) were ATHEIST, get any of their albums, particularly
UNQUESTIONABLE PRESENCE.
I also understand CYNIC was very good.
Well, that's my pick for progressive death metal kind of thing. But if you
want to listen to pure death/grindcore metal stuff, I have a longer list.
Hope this helps
Neil H. Enet
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:11:00 -0800 (PST)
From: The Magic Number <themagicn@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: metal
And to add to that list of progressive death metal,
check out "Stream of Solidarity" by Embrionic Death,
if you can find it.
- -shawn
- --- "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net> wrote:
> I used to be a metal fan, but I haven't heard
> anything since 1994. So I
> can recommend some classic metal albums!!!
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:14:10 -0600
From: Jay Mote <mote@augsburg.edu>
Subject: RE: metal
Falsetto cry: "Aaaaaaaaaaaah....Screamin' for VENGEANCE!!"
Some of the lesser knowns that might be considered offshoots by metal purists:
1. Wehrmacht - Biermacht (beer metal)
2. Bullet Lavolta - late 80's punk metal (Taang)
3. Bulimia - allgirl hacker metal
4. Blood Circus - Seattle grunge metal
5. Faster Faster Pussycat Kill Kill Kill - in their day, pretty rockin'
6. Hardons - Aussie punk metal
7. L7
8. TSOL
9. Helloween
I hate to admit it, but at one point in time, J.Priest, O.Ozborne, & B.Idol
ruled my life. Urgh!!
J out
jmote@bitstream.net
>===== Original Message From ObviousEye@aol.com =====
>i have recently been digging into the world of metal music, and i would love
>some recommendations from members of the list.
>here is what i've heard and liked :Opeth, Neurosis, some Cradle of Filth, the
>Gathering, etc.
>
>however, i don't know much about metal's genre divisions, or the classic
>records in any metal genre. also, i am more interested in progressive
>metal...diverse and BIG, like Opeth music.
>
>thanks.
>
>ben o /\ o neb
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:21:56 EST
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: metal
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In a message dated 2/1/01 7:08:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, nilugo@usa.net
writes:
> I also understand CYNIC was very good.
>
Yeah- this is about as good as the prog-metal thing can get, and recently
re-issued IIRC. Aslo check out splinter bands Watchtower, Spastic Ink, and
Gordian Knot.
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np: Wojciech Kilar- Requiem/Father Kolbe
=dg=
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 2/1/01 7:08:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, nilugo@usa.net
<BR>writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I also understand CYNIC was very good.
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Yeah- this is about as good as the prog-metal thing can get, and recently
<BR>re-issued IIRC. Aslo check out splinter bands Watchtower, Spastic Ink, and
<BR>Gordian Knot.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>--
<BR>np: Wojciech Kilar- Requiem/Father Kolbe
<BR>
<BR>=dg=</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:26:17 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Efr=E9n_del_Valle?=" <efrendv@yahoo.es>
Subject: ZORN INTERVIEW (IN SPANISH/ATTACHMENTS)
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Spanish for those who asked it. Next week I will have more free time.
By the way, I didn't get no feedback about the interview, which seems =
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Greetings,
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:20:13 -0500
From: Matt Laferty <bg60009@binghamton.edu>
Subject: this is odd--Sex Mob in Binghamton
I'm waiting to see if anyone on this list has any use for this message
but Tom in Cortland
WHRW in Binghamton, NY (the station that I spin records and cds for, no
less) is sponsoring a concert to celebrate it's 35th anniversary.
Of note to this crowd is that Sex Mob is the second of 3 bands.
Show starts at 8 at "The Art Theatre" on Vestal Avenue in "historic"
Binghamton.
The only event I can imagine promoting on this list. However, Arthur
Doyle lives one town over, but I've never called him...
yay,
Matt
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:27:21 -0500
From: Matt Laferty <bg60009@binghamton.edu>
Subject: Corrections: Re: this is odd--Sex Mob in Binghamton
Sorry: Read this one...
Matt Laferty wrote:
> I'm waiting to see if anyone on this list has any use for this message
> but Tom in Cortland
>
> WHRW 90.5fm (www.whrw.org) in Binghamton, NY (the station that I spin
> records and cds for, no
> less) is sponsoring a concert to celebrate its 35th anniversary.
>
> Of note to this crowd is that Sex Mob is the second of 3 bands. The
> others are "Nada Surf" and some Ithaca jam band.
>
> Show starts at 8 on Saturday the 3rd of February at "The Art Theatre" on
> Vestal Avenue in "historic"
> Binghamton.
>
> The only event I can imagine promoting on this list. However, Arthur
> Doyle lives one town over, but I've never called him...
>
> yay,
>
> Matt
>
> -
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 00:15:01 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <wlt4@mindspring.com>
Subject: charlie parker - comp savoy & dial
Does anybody have this box set? I'm curious about whether the discs have
the master takes grouped together with the alternates separate at the end
or if the master is immediately followed by all the alternates. You'd
think this would be a simple question but I've read reviews and looked at
track listings on websites that seem to indicate both ways.
Thanks, Lang
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