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Zorn List Digest      Wednesday, January 3 2001      Volume 03 : Number 225



In this issue:
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       Re: Suggestions?
       RECOMMENDATIONS
       Re: Boyd Rice?
       RE: Bowie [was Re: eno]
       Re: Newish Oxley from Norway?
       Re: Bowie [was Re: eno]
       RE: Bowie [was Re: eno]
       Re: Lutoslawski (was Re: Suggestions?)
       Re: Newish Oxley from Norway?
       Lutoslawski and Bowie
       Things I would like to see live in 2001
       Set Pounds
       bowie (was never eno)
       Re: bowie (was never eno)
       Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie )

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:27:23 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Suggestions?

You can find the "Unwound" box and all the Screwgun
releases at The Jazz Loft. I can't remember the exact
web address but there is a link at
www.screwgunrecords.com.
Though it is relatively expensive, it was worth the
money. Don't doubt it!

Regards,
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:43:39 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: RECOMMENDATIONS

Hi there!,

Besides Tom's recommendations, which I found very
suitable, maybe you'd like to hear some Fred Frith's
albums. i.e: "Traffic Continues" (Winter&Winter)"Step
Across the Border" (RecRec) "Pacifica" (Tzadik),...
I can't remember if you mentioned Medeski, Martin &
Wood. If not, there you go: "Tonic" (Blue Note), "The
Dropper" (Blue Note), "Notes from the Underground"
(Accurate), "Combustication" (Blue Note)
Anything by Marc Ribot, Lounge Lizards & Dave Douglas
- -as Tom said.
What about Mr. Bungle?: "Mr. Bungle", "Disco Volante"
and "California". All of them are excellent!
Marty Ehrlich: "Sojourn", "New York Child"
Michael Formanek: "Nature of the Beast"

Anything by Evan Lurie.

...and countless others!

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:31:20 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: Re: Boyd Rice?

At 18:35 02/01/01 -0600, "Ben Axelrad" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>like.  I was planning to buy it until I read some article in the Village
>Voice that said something about a photo where he is wearing a nazi uniform?
>Anyone know about this?

Boyd Rice is a very bad guy.

Mr Rice when he is not answering interviews, writing, working on films,
busying himself with the Church of Satan, making jokes to make other people
lose time, or inventing industrial music (well, perhaps that was 25 years
ago) likes to dress up and he likes symbols that vaguely resemble swastikas.
(Has he too much time on his hands?)

For more information, in addition to the url Steve Smith pointed to,
http://www.villagevoice.com/vls/171/dery.shtml where there is a mention of
Rice "in brownshirt attire" and his writing of an essay in a book reputed
questionable, a quick search on Boyd Rice / NON on the web leads to, amongst
other things:

http://brainwashed.com/non/ (NON official website)
http://www.gothic.net/archives/non-fiction/rice600.html
http://www.brainwashed.com/non/beyondgoodandevil.html
http://www.choler.com/articles/boydrice_2.shtml
http://www.vsearchmedia.com/books/ichprod.shtml

(The original question was, if I remember right, what does his new cd sound
like?)


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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:42:26 +1030
From: "sinkas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Bowie [was Re: eno]

I gues after the innovation of 1. Outside, and Earthling, Hours was a =
little too easy going for me.

I just bought the BBC collection for meself for christmas, and I have to =
say that the BBC stuff is great, it also includes the links and =
interviews with John Peel etc etc. I am WAY to young to have heard any =
of this stuff at the time of it's broadcast, I cant beleive how funny =
the DJs comments, are, even totally lambasting bowie, and his spelling =
skills! Some of the covers he does are really good too.

The Bonus live disc is OK, but its heavily edited, and the small amounts =
of "talk" you hear form bowie are quite disenchanting. But heck its a =
freebie,

Id say the set gets a 4/5 while the concert a 2.5/5

Case
np rare Morrissey track leaked onto napster "The Bed Took Fire"!
=20
Now, has anyone heard the new BBC BOWIE compilation, it includes two =
discs
of most of his BBC sessions and an extra limited edition third disc
containing a 2000 concert.  Looks nice, but I would like your opinion.

Thanks


"Alma Matters"


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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:46:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Grey ElkGel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Newish Oxley from Norway?

hi,

i haven't heard this release, though i can say that
this is the first release on norwegian percussionist
ingar zach's new label, SOFA. the SOFA website is
located at:

http://www.norcd.no/sofa/index.html

i'm not sure about their distribution (cadence is
listed in their website's links section, so it's
possible north country is carrying them), though i do
know that ingar dropped off a few copies of this CD at
twisted village records in cambridge, mass. while he
was in town playing w/ his trio tri-dim (w/ guitarist
david stackenΣs and saxophonist hσkon kornstad).
so you might try there:

www.twistedvillage.com,
[e-mail]

good luck,
.greg.

> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:58:31 -0500
> From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Newish Oxley from Norway?
>
> Or, for that matter, anyone know anything about this
> one?  Anyone heard
> it?
>
> Tony Oxley Project 1: 'Triangular Screen'
> SOFA 501
> Tony Oxley, drums, percussion, pre-recorded tape;
> Ivar Grydeland,
> guitar; Tonny Kluften, double bass.
>     1.First scan (15.22)
>     2.Second scan (17.35)
>     3.Third scan (12.17)
>     4.Fourth scan (03.42)
> Track 1 was recorded in March 2000 at Kongsberg
> Jazzfestival, Norway;
> other tracks recorded in May 2000 at Bla,
> Osla.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:10:24 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bowie [was Re: eno]

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:50:48PM -0500, Steve Smith wrote:

> I've skipped the last four Bowie albums (everything post-Tin Machine,
> frankly), but Ben's reminder has me curious.  What does anyone/everyone
> think of the recent Bowie/Eno collaboration 'Outside'?  And, while we're
> at it, if anyone has opinions on 'Earthling' and 'Hours,' I'd be game to
> hear those, as well.

Bowie's 90s work is worth a listen.

"The Buddha of Suburbia" is derived from his soundtrack to the TV series
of the same name, and has him enjoyably messing around in the studio in
his least song-related work in a long time.

"Black Tie White Noise", while far from his best work, is one of the
Bowie's that slips into my CD player most often. *Good* pop, much of it
featuring, believe it or not, Lester Bowie.

"1. Outside" is, to a great degree, stunning. If, in trying to build a
story in the spoken passages (that I edit out when I listen to it),
Bowie's reach exceeds his grasp, the remaining material is very strong,
and contains some of his best vocals, melodies, and (with Eno)
arrangements ever.

"Earthling" is a kick in the ass, focusing on the drumNbass derived
work that peeked in during the previous album. My favorite album to
forcibly wake myself up in the morning.

"Hours" is, well, dull. He's reaching back to the acoustic songwriting
of earlier days, and it could be mistaken for outtakes from the
pre-Space Oddity years. Worth listening to, but his most forgettable
working since "Never Let Me Down".

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:53:01 +0000
From: dan hill <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Bowie [was Re: eno]

>I gues after the innovation of 1. Outside, and Earthling, Hours was
>a little too easy going for me.
>
>I just bought the BBC collection for meself for christmas, and I
>have to say that the BBC stuff is great,


on a BBC Sessions tip, i enjoyed the Bowie collection a lot too
(well, the first two disks - i find his recent stuff pretty
uninspiring) ... But The Who's BBC Sessions, which came out last
year, is totally fantastic too. utterly brilliant stuff. Townsend
reinventing the guitar before your very ears (check the guitar 'solo'
to "anyway, anyhow, anywhere" i encoded at motion
http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/551.html ... it's essentially an
abstract feedback-drenched barrage. extraordinary for 1965). he's
even more impressive than the peerless Keith Moon here.

and the BBC presenters are hilarious - they're fairly cringeworthy,
but also rather endearing. they seem to sense that The Who are
essentially naughty boys on best behaviour, forever on the verge of
completely trashing the place. though Townsend's voiceovers reveal a
remarkably polite young man (as befits his art school background).

anyway, highly recommended.

cheers,
d.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:35:32 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Lutoslawski (was Re: Suggestions?)

At 2:24 AM 1/3/01, Steve Smith wrote:
<A lot of highly considered and right on recommendations about Lutoslowski,
including the pieces I would have recommended had I wrote this first>
>
>Steve Smith
>[e-mail]
>NP - Carcass, "Exhume to Consume," 'Wake Up and Smell the Carcass'
>(Earache)

And this is why I remain on the Zorn list! The fact that Lutoslawski and
Carcass both mean something to at least someone else out there! Cool.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:37:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Newish Oxley from Norway?

Steve:

(and others who may be interested).

Try:

SOFA, c/o: NOR-CD AS/SOFA, Kongens gate 16, 0153 Oslo,
Norway; tel: [phone]; fax: [phone];
e-mail:[e-mail]; http://www.norcd.no/sofa/.

Ken Waxman



- --- Steve Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> Call me obstinate (or something less polite if you
> like)... I was
> cleaning out my mailbox this evening and came across
> something I sent
> out to the Zornlist almost three months ago.  I
> thought I'd try sending
> it again, just in case anybody's found a lead (or
> anyone new has come
> onboard) in the mean time...
>
> If anyone can tell me where I can track this down
> and order it, I'd be grateful.
>
> Steve Smith
> [e-mail]
> NP - Carcass, "Malignant Defecation," 'Reek of
> Putrefaction' (Earache)
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Newish Oxley from Norway?
>
> Or, for that matter, anyone know anything about this
> one?  Anyone heard
> it?
>
> Tony Oxley Project 1: 'Triangular Screen'
> SOFA 501
> Tony Oxley, drums, percussion, pre-recorded tape;
> Ivar Grydeland,
> guitar; Tonny Kluften, double bass.
>     1.First scan (15.22)
>     2.Second scan (17.35)
>     3.Third scan (12.17)
>     4.Fourth scan (03.42)
> Track 1 was recorded in March 2000 at Kongsberg
> Jazzfestival, Norway;
> other tracks recorded in May 2000 at Bla,
> Osla.
>
> -
>


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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:39:38 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Lutoslawski and Bowie

From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
To: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>

> Scott Handley wrote:
> > --- Steve Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > > NP - Witold Lutoslawski, Symphony No. 2 - second
> > > movement, Polish Natl Radio


> Get the rest of the Naxos series: that's probably the easiest way to do
> it.  Whether it be the early, tonal, folksy stuff or the later
> quasi-aleatoric pieces, I really can't say that I've ever heard anything
> by Lutoslawski that I genuinely disliked, and the Polish radio orchestra
> that made the Naxos series really seems to have the music well in hand.
> (Marcin, correct me if I'm deluded...)

The naxos series seems to be OK. I've got the viola concerto disc.
Lutoslawski's best compositions are IMO the symphonies.
There are very good performances of Lutoslawski by Simfonia Varsovia (the
best polish orchestra, not confound with the weak Warsaw philharmonic
Orchestra, or the Warsaw Opera Orchestra. The last one is especially bad -
after their performance of te 'rite of spring'  i was almost decided to go
and beat strongly the conductor. Nobody records them, anyhow) on polish
label CdAccord. Let me know if you are willing to buy them and have trouble
with obtaining it - i  know the guy who is reponsible for their
distribution, so I should be able to help you with getting them.

> Among the stronger mature pieces are Chain 2, the Symphony No. 3, and

Yes, Yes. Both pieces are excellent. I'd recommend also a piece called
'poemes de Henri Michaux' (or something like that). I've heard an incredible
performance at the Warsaw automn festival a few years ago. It's available
(probably quite cheap) at EMI Matrix series. Other symphonies are also
great.

> the orchestral song Les Espaces du Sommeil, all of which are now

I don't know that piece.

> latter in most cases, and I'm finding that Naxos is not merely
> maintaining a steady level of competence, but is actually improving as
> more artists want to sail with their bestselling ship.  (I'm enjoying
> their Penderecki series as well.)

Can anybody explain me how do they manage to keep their prices that low?
Their cds cost about 22 PLN here in Poland (about 5 USD). And they have some
great performances - the disc with the piano concerto by Rautvarra, played
by the Scotttish National Orchestra is very good. It's also quite well
recorded.

As for Bowie: 1.Outside is very good, although one gets tired of it pretty
soon. But it contains fascinating tunes. Excellent Eno producton, of course,
and Joey Baron plays on a couple of tunes (i think that there's only one
with his drums, actually: the third one, with pianoetc.) .
I like 'Earthling' even better: less dark, but excellent live drums, guitar,
and bass/d'n'b mix. 'Battle of britain' is one of my favourite songs ever.

Hope this helps,
Marcin Gokieli



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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:48:52 -0500
From: "Toula Ballas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Things I would like to see live in 2001

List,

1) Derek Bailey and Hamid Drake
2) Jon Rose and Hamid Drake
3) Bob Ostertag in any seting
4) Susie Ibarra and Douglas Ewert
5) Tim Sparks solo
6) Joe Morris and G Ra'
7) Cecil Taylor and Buckethead
8) Other Dimensions in Music
9) Eugene Chadbourne and Fred Lonberg Holm
10)Eric Leonardson and Jim O'rourke
11)Mats Gustfasson and Bill Laswell
12)Matt Maneri and Steve Dalachinski
13)Henry Threadgill in any setting
14)Roscoe Mitchel and Dan Givens
15)Nickie Mitchel and William Parker
16)Peter Brotzmann and Haino Keiji

Paul


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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:15:43 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Set Pounds

<< ok, this is a bit out of the realm of your favorites, but if you don't have
 PET SOUNDS by the Beach Boys, that needs to be your next purchase.  i would
 type more about it, but i am currently typing this with a broken finger.
 anyone agree?   disagree? >>

it's weird that you would say that....ON THE DAY THAT I GOT IT!  aaahhhhh!!

charlie

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:19:42 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: bowie (was never eno)

<<  Now, has anyone heard the new BBC BOWIE compilation, it includes two discs
 of most of his BBC sessions and an extra limited edition third disc
 containing a 2000 concert.  Looks nice, but I would like your opinion.

if you like bowie, get it.  the first disc has kinda cruddy sound, but the
second disc is pretty great, and the performances are stellar throughout.
the third disc is, you know, post-1980 bowie, so if you're into that.....

charlie


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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:43:37 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: bowie (was never eno)

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:19:42PM -0500, [e-mail] wrote:

> if you like bowie, get it.  the first disc has kinda cruddy sound, but the
> second disc is pretty great, and the performances are stellar throughout.
> the third disc is, you know, post-1980 bowie, so if you're into that.....

Well, post-90 Bowie. To lump "Outside" and "Earthling" in with the 80s
music could lead to missing some great stuff.

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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:55:09 -0500
From: Lang Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie )

>> latter in most cases, and I'm finding that Naxos is not merely
>Can anybody explain me how do they manage to keep their prices that low?
>Their cds cost about 22 PLN here in Poland (about 5 USD). And they have some

Two main ways: using little-known and inexpensive orchestras/musicians
(though some like Sumi Jo gained a reputation later) and buying the
performances outright so therefore no royalties.  It's only recently with
the Lutoslawski, Glass, Cage, Boulez, etc that the compositions weren't in
the public domain; their Marco Polo imprint has always had more esoteric
releases but at a higher price point.  Plus a company that large with
established distribution benefits from volume lowering per unit costs.  And
they keep the marketing budget fairly low.  (Is this starting to sound like
a Monty Python routine?)

Still, it's something of a miracle that with classical divisions being
slashed left and right Naxos can do something like that jillion-volume
series of Liszt transcriptions or those seemingly endless organ music
releases (though on the other hand the organ music people I've met tend to
be real fanatics).  I've heard three or four albums from their jazz series
that were quite nice and they've just kicked off a world music series that
looks promising.  Anybody have opinions on these?

By the way, Berkshire Record Outlet has a ton of the Marco Polo releases at
$6.99 each.


LT




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