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Zorn List Digest      Wednesday, January 3 2001      Volume 03 : Number 226



In this issue:
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       RE: Boyd Rice?
       Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie )
       Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie )
       slowpoke
       Re: slowpoke
       Re: slowpoke
       RE: slowpoke
       FRITH/MORI/DRESSER
       RE: Boyd Rice?
       RE: conet project (was: Boyd Rice)
       Re: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER
       Re: Newish Oxley from Norway?
       Re: slowpoke
       Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie )
       Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie )
       Frisellat the movies
       Re: slowpoke
       lutoslawski

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:31:09 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Boyd Rice?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Greg Mills
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:50 PM

> I've run into the name Boyd Rice in a variety of contexts, from
> new music to
> occult stuff to trash culture. Does anyone know anything about him?

I believe the picture referred to later in this thread is this:
http://brainwashed.com/non/images/americanfront.gif

It's him with the head of the American Front.

A good friend of mine says that every leftist has a favorite rightist -- I
think Boyd Rice may be mine. I do want to make it clear that I do not
endorse his repellent beliefs in any way; he (or at least some of his
buddies) would, I'm sure, love to have the country rid of people like me.

The trouble with pinning down Rice has to do with the industrial/noise music
milieu -- some members of which, as Taylor already described, dabbled in or
wholeheartedly embraced specifically Nazi imagery (and misanthropy in
general) for shock value. This is nothing new; our very own Zorn has gotten
in trouble along similar lines.

Of course, this raises the question of how serious this all is for Boyd
Rice. Some of his opponents easily point to the disturbing company he keeps
and the whole Social Darwinist slant of his spoken-word/noise output. (Some
may argue, however, that this is merely LaVeyan -- no surprise since Rice is
supposedly one of the High Priests of the Church of Satan.) Some of his
defenders, however, would point out that Rice is actually being coy about
his beliefs, that his public persona is all performance, and that his
extremist right-wing affiliations are all part of a big prank. Whatever. The
Church of Satan, fine; the American Front, that I find repellent.

His music, however, is a different matter. Swirling (or grating) loops of
detuned samples, remakes of bubblegum pop, deadpan misanthropic ditties,
horrific industrial noise -- it's excellent, if disturbing, stuff. A good
intro purchase would probably be "Easy Listening for Iron Youth: The Best of
NON," out on Mute.

Later,
Ben

np: "the conet project"


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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:44:10 +0000
From: dan hill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie )

on a related note to the naxos thread ...

some excellent montaigne label releases have been redistributed, at
mid-price (which still means about =A310.99 over here in the UK, or
$16). i bought a christmas present (to myself from myself! it's safer
that way) of a trio of releases of by schoenberg, webern, and berg
from HMV oxford street the other day. they're all performed by the
arditti quartet (i note irvine arditti recently played on mode's
release of john cage's 'two4' with the great stephen drury, he says
zornily)  ... montaigne had a tempting john cage too, but my
generosity to myself only goes so far, and i was reading about vienna
y'see ...

sorry i keep not answering the questions, instead simply adding more stuff.

cheers,
d.


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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:11:54 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie )

BTW, the mid-price Montaigne collection of Morton Feldman pieces contains=
=20
some of my favorites of his works, and is an excellent starter set.

On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 07:44:10PM +0000, dan hill wrote:
> on a related note to the naxos thread ...
>=20
> some excellent montaigne label releases have been redistributed, at=20
> mid-price (which still means about =A310.99 over here in the UK, or=20
> $16). i bought a christmas present (to myself from myself! it's safer=20
> that way) of a trio of releases of by schoenberg, webern, and berg=20
> from HMV oxford street the other day. they're all performed by the=20
> arditti quartet (i note irvine arditti recently played on mode's=20
> release of john cage's 'two4' with the great stephen drury, he says=20
> zornily)  ... montaigne had a tempting john cage too, but my=20
> generosity to myself only goes so far, and i was reading about vienna=20
> y'see ...
>=20
> sorry i keep not answering the questions, instead simply adding more st=
uff.
>=20
> cheers,
> d.
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> |||| dan hill [state51]
> |||| new reviews on motion [3.1.2001]:
> |||| john cage | HIM | mark springer | microstoria | jonathan=20
> coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m.=20
> singe & dj i-sound
> |||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/
>=20
>=20
> -

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:06:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: slowpoke

Does anyone know if Slowpoke, the band featuring Kenny Wolleson, Michael
Blake, Dave Torenzo, and Tony Scherr, has any releases other than the one
track on the Brubeck Tribute "In His Own Sweet Way"?

Many thanks,
Tom

________________________________________________
The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage
perhaps in music, because that art contains no material
to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value,
and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses.

               --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:16:46 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: slowpoke

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:06:47 EST  [e-mail] wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if Slowpoke, the band featuring Kenny Wolleson, Michael
> Blake, Dave Torenzo, and Tony Scherr, has any releases other than the one
> track on the Brubeck Tribute "In His Own Sweet Way"?

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** - REDEMPTION: Slowpoke

  Dave Tronzo; Michael Blake; Tony Scherr; Kenny Wollesen.

    2000 - Intuition (Germany), 3260 (CD)

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

- -

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:44:14 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: slowpoke

In a message dated 1/3/01 3:17:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<  Does anyone know if Slowpoke, the band featuring Kenny Wolleson, Michael
 > Blake, Dave Torenzo, and Tony Scherr, has any releases other than the one
 > track on the Brubeck Tribute "In His Own Sweet Way"?


- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 *** - REDEMPTION: Slowpoke

   Dave Tronzo; Michael Blake; Tony Scherr; Kenny Wollesen.

     2000 - Intuition (Germany), 3260 (CD) >>


Many thanks.  Anyone know where I can find it?

Tom

________________________________________________
The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage
perhaps in music, because that art contains no material
to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value,
and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses.

               --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:53:17 -0500
From: "Jim McLoughlin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: slowpoke

Hi

There was also a self-released album called "Slow Poke at Home."  It was
sold at gigs, and I think Bruce at DMG had some.  I'm not sure if this
release overlaps with the intuition release - i included covers of Neil
Young (Harvest?) and Duke Ellington's "Rockin in Rhythm."

JM

> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:06:47 EST  [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know if Slowpoke, the band featuring Kenny
> Wolleson, Michael
> > Blake, Dave Torenzo, and Tony Scherr, has any releases other
> than the one
> > track on the Brubeck Tribute "In His Own Sweet Way"?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
>
> *** - REDEMPTION: Slowpoke
>
>   Dave Tronzo; Michael Blake; Tony Scherr; Kenny Wollesen.
>
>     2000 - Intuition (Germany), 3260 (CD)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
>
> -
>


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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:39:11 +0100 (CET)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?efr=E9n=20del=20valle?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER

Hi there!,

I am looking forward to FRITH/MORI/DRESSER's project
but the CD didn't get to Spain yet. I'd like to know
the opinion of those who are lucky enough to have
heard it. Maybe I'll have to purchase it via import
and the prices are extremely high here.

I'd be grateful if you could also let me know about
Jim Black's "Alasnoaxis". I'm not so confident about
the so-called Brooklyn scene. I found Chris Speed
Trio's "Iffy" and Jamie Saft's "Sovlanut" both quite
disappointing. What about this one?

Thanks,
EFR╔N DEL VALLE


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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:46:01 -0000
From: "thomas chatterton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Boyd Rice?

>From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
>To: "Zorn List" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: RE: Boyd Rice?
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:31:09 -0800
>
>np: "the conet project"
>
>Is this the 4 CD set of recordings made of shortwave "numbers" stations?

How interesting is it?

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:51:20 -0500
From: Maurice Rickard <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: conet project (was: Boyd Rice)

At 9:46 PM +0000 1/3/01, thomas chatterton wrote:
>>From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
>>To: "Zorn List" <[e-mail]>
>>Subject: RE: Boyd Rice?
>>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:31:09 -0800
>>
>>np: "the conet project"
>>
>>Is this the 4 CD set of recordings made of shortwave "numbers" stations?
>
>How interesting is it?

I've heard parts of this, and the distorted voices + the shortwave
interference are fascinating and beautiful.

- -Maurice
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/

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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:08:07 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FRITH/MORI/DRESSER

efr=E9n del valle wrote:

> I'd be grateful if you could also let me know about
> Jim Black's "Alasnoaxis". I'm not so confident about
> the so-called Brooklyn scene. I found Chris Speed
> Trio's "Iffy" and Jamie Saft's "Sovlanut" both quite
> disappointing. What about this one?

If you'll indulge me here, this is from the January issue of Jazziz:

Jim Black: AlasNoAxis (Winter & Winter)

On AlasNoAxis, Jim Black=92s first album as sole bandleader, the drummer
reveals that there is far more to his artistry than the block rockin=92
beats, itchy funk, and deft, sensitive touch with which he has driven
Tim Berne=92s Bloodcount, Dave Douglas=92 Tiny Bell Trio, and Pachora. On
first listen, Black=92s music seems opaque and disjointed. But a referenc=
e
to =93sonic architecture=94 in the liner notes is illustrative: his
compositional style is marked by fastidious placement of musical
materials, both within each piece and in the construction of the entire
album. It=92s seldom linear, rarely conventional, but never arbitrary.

The brief four-way brawls of =93M m=94 and =93Poet Staggered=94 recall th=
e
teeming microcosms and blunt impact of Naked City=92s Torture Garden
miniatures. Elsewhere Bill Frisell=92s prairie gothic and the livewire
guitar dramaturgy of Nels Cline are evoked. Saxophonist/clarinetist
Chris Speed supplies wistful, minimal melodicism and textural squiggles,
guitarist Hilmar Jensson ranges from gentle strumming to post-Sonic
Youth electric maelstrom, and bassist Skuli Sverrisson provides bubbling
lines and sepulchral rumble. Jensson and Sverrisson are known for their
work in dark ambient soundscaping, which Black harnesses as yet another
color in his extended palette.

There=92s not a conventional drum solo in site, and Black is happy to sit
out on his own record from time to time. But the sheer variety of timbre
with which he limns even the most basic beat illustrates his virtuosity
in a far more meaningful way. A fascinating debut. =97Steve Smith

Also, don't give up on Chris Speed.  His band yeah, no is pretty
terrific, and each album is better than the last.  The most recent one
is 'Emit.'

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Spiral Architect, "Cloud Constructor," 'A Sceptic's Universe'
(Sensory) - thanks for the recommendation, Jeroen...


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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:11:05 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Newish Oxley from Norway?

Thanks, Greg and Ken.  I've e-mailed the label directly to inquire about
mail order.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
NP - Spiral Architect, "Conjuring Collapse," 'A Sceptic's Universe'
(Sensory)


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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:26:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: slowpoke

I know they had a self-produced CD floating around
when they played here (Toronto) a couple of years ago.
But I'm not sure whether it was a CD-CD or a CDR they
had made up for the occasion.

Hope this helps

Ken Waxman

- --- [e-mail] wrote:
> Does anyone know if Slowpoke, the band featuring
> Kenny Wolleson, Michael
> Blake, Dave Torenzo, and Tony Scherr, has any
> releases other than the one
> track on the Brubeck Tribute "In His Own Sweet Way"?


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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:45:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie )

> > some excellent montaigne label releases have been
> redistributed, at
> > mid-price

I was knocked out by the two Luigi Nono volumes;
generally late work, and breathtaking.  The "green"
volume, "Variazone..." etc, has one long serial piece
from the early Fifties and two very dynamic pieces
from the Eighties (marvy); the "red" volume is one
hour-long tape piece, cut-ups of violinist Gidon
Kremer improvising, and Irvine Arditti performing as
well.  I very much enjoyed these; the packaging and
liner notes are exemplary.  My first ever Lachenmann
is on the way as well.  The web site for this label is
not constrained by categories of bourgeois---or any
other kind of---taste:  http://www.auvidis.com/
(check out that "electronica" page!  whoa, momma!)

- ----s, reeling

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:45:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Naxos (was Re: Lutoslawski and Bowie )

> > some excellent montaigne label releases have been
> redistributed, at
> > mid-price

I was knocked out by the two Luigi Nono volumes;
generally late work, and breathtaking.  The "green"
volume, "Variazone..." etc, has one long serial piece
from the early Fifties and two very dynamic pieces
from the Eighties (marvy); the "red" volume is one
hour-long tape piece, cut-ups of violinist Gidon
Kremer improvising, and Irvine Arditti performing as
well.  I very much enjoyed these; the packaging and
liner notes are exemplary.  My first ever Lachenmann
is on the way as well.  The web site for this label is
not constrained by categories of bourgeois---or any
other kind of---taste:  http://www.auvidis.com/
(check out that "electronica" page!  whoa, momma!)

- ----s, reeling

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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:51:16 -0000
From: "Les Rhoda" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Frisellat the movies

bill frisell
>could probably dish out an AMAZING western score, maybe
>i'm just dreaming out loud here.

I just saw a flick the other night called "Around The Fire," about a
prep-school reject who finds love and fellowship in the hippy jam-rock
scene. Frisell's name is featured prominently in the opening credits, but
there's not much of him throughout. The best part was Bill's crazy wailing
during a bad acid trip scene.

fwiw,

Les
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:03:01 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: slowpoke

In a message dated 1/3/01 12:45:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<
  *** - REDEMPTION: Slowpoke

    Dave Tronzo; Michael Blake; Tony Scherr; Kenny Wollesen.

      2000 - Intuition (Germany), 3260 (CD) >>


 Many thanks.  Anyone know where I can find it?

 Tom >>

    www.allegro-music.com.  To save others the trouble of mentioning it,
check out the link for cybermusicsurplus.com  while you're there.  (Slowpoke
is only at allegro though).  It is a good cd though probably not great.  I
got mine at ebay awhile back.  The compositions are relatively ordinary and
the playing somewhat uninspired.  You probably won't be hankering to hear it
often.
    At the cybermusicsurplus site,on Intuition, they have a Michael Blake cd
"Kingdom Of Champa" which I would consider great.  It breaks outside the
boundaries of fusion  and has some beautiful tunes.  Besides Tronzo, it has
Thomas Chapin, Billy Martin, Steven Bernstein, Marcus Rojas, Rufus
Cappadocia, Tony Scherr, Bryan Carrott, and Scott Neumann.  It makes me want
to hear more Michael Blake.  Cheers,
    John Threadgould

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:06:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: lutoslawski

In a message dated 1/3/01 9:12:30 AM,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Scott Handley wrote:

> --- Steve Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > NP - Witold Lutoslawski, Symphony No. 2 - second
> > movement, Polish Natl Radio
> > Sym / Wit (Naxos) >>

dear steve smith you know it all,
and you do kniow it all damn it,
i just wrote scott a private note briefly saying same,
but line for line, you lutoslawski-lurkers out there,
smith hit it all on the nose, and i own all the discs
he referred to, plus the complete works on muza.
get the naxos for ease, price, and performance.
if this matters,
it also has the provenance of the lutoslawski family.
onward to szymanowski...."mythen" perhaps.
steve koenig
n.p.: the whistling sound of my asthma.  some dj should sample it.

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