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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #224
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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, January 3 2001 Volume 03 : Number 224
In this issue:
-
Newish Oxley from Norway?
Emergency/Vacation
Re: Emergency/Vacation
Cecil Taylor NYC Masterclass / Workshop
Lutoslawski (was Re: Suggestions?)
Re: Bowie [was Re: eno]
Fw: Music Biz Haiku
Re: Suggestions?
Re: Lutoslawski (was Re: Suggestions?)
Re: Songs (Bailey with Haino)
J.A. Deane /w Bill Frisell
RE: Suggestions?
Re: Bowie [was Re: eno]
Suggestions...
RE: Bowie [was Re: eno]
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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:58:31 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Newish Oxley from Norway?
Hi all:
Call me obstinate (or something less polite if you like)... I was
cleaning out my mailbox this evening and came across something I sent
out to the Zornlist almost three months ago. I thought I'd try sending
it again, just in case anybody's found a lead (or anyone new has come
onboard) in the mean time...
If anyone can tell me where I can track this down and order it, I'd be grateful.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Carcass, "Malignant Defecation," 'Reek of Putrefaction' (Earache)
- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: Newish Oxley from Norway?
Or, for that matter, anyone know anything about this one? Anyone heard
it?
Tony Oxley Project 1: 'Triangular Screen'
SOFA 501
Tony Oxley, drums, percussion, pre-recorded tape; Ivar Grydeland,
guitar; Tonny Kluften, double bass.
1.First scan (15.22)
2.Second scan (17.35)
3.Third scan (12.17)
4.Fourth scan (03.42)
Track 1 was recorded in March 2000 at Kongsberg Jazzfestival, Norway;
other tracks recorded in May 2000 at Bla,
Osla.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:03:07 -0500
From: "Matthew" <mats@smartweb.net>
Subject: Emergency/Vacation
Returning from vacation, I opened a Voice to see that Zorn and Ribot and
Medeski (and others?) will be playing Mercury Lounge as Emergency...
what is this all about? (has it already been discussed?)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:27:42 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Emergency/Vacation
Matthew wrote:
> Returning from vacation, I opened a Voice to see that Zorn and Ribot and
> Medeski (and others?) will be playing Mercury Lounge as Emergency...
> what is this all about? (has it already been discussed?)
Here's my guess (and for non-New Yorkers, all of the following refers to
New York venues, so bear with me):
1. Zorn, Ribot and Medeski, with a variety of drummers, have played
numerous gigs in NYC over the last two or three years, including Tonic, the
Wetlands, and even the Knitting Factory when they couldn't help it.
2. Medeski and Ribot made favorable impressions upon management at the
Bowery Ballroom during popular recent shows there.
3. Management at the Bowery Ballroom is the same as management at the
Mercury Lounge.
4. Voila! Zorn has a new room in NYC to infiltrate, albeit with most
likely his most mainstream current project.
It should still be a pretty nice coupla shows, mind you... January 14 and
15 at 8 and 10 p.m. each night, for those who are in town. Pack the place
and show 'em who's poppa...
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Carcass, "Arbeit Macht Fleisch," 'Heartwork' (Earache)
- -
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:09:39 EST
From: Eisenbeil@aol.com
Subject: Cecil Taylor NYC Masterclass / Workshop
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 3,2001
Cecil Taylor will be conducting a month long workshop at the Turtle Bay Music
School in New York City during February 2001. This master class/ workshop
will meet twice a week during the month and then culminate in a concert.
The classes will be held on Wednesdays (Feb. 7, 14, 21) from 6-10pm and on
Saturdays (Feb. 3, 10, 17, 24) from noon to 4pm. The concert is scheduled
for Saturday Feb. 24 at 8pm.
The tuition for each participant is $300. This includes all fees for the
duration of the masterclass and concert.
Each musician must bring their own instruments. One bass amp will be
provided.
Turtle Bay Music School is located on 52nd Street between 1st and 2nd
avenues.
Payment should be sent to:
Turtle Bay Music School
244 east 52nd Street
New York, NY 10022
Payment for the tuition must be made by January 15th, 2001.
Payment will only be accepted in the form of a check.
All checks must be made payable to, Turtle Bay Music School and write on
the check, Cecil Taylor Masterclass.
Below is an application form.
Name: ______________________________________________
Address: ____________________________________________________________
Telephone: ____________________
FAX: ________________________
Email: ___________________________
Instrument: _________________________________
Experience: __________________________________________________________
Please direct all questions to Bruce Eisenbeil.
He can be reached by the following means:
Email: eisenbeil@aol.com
Fax: 212-888-2726
For more info and updates see: www.eisenbeil.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:28:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Lutoslawski (was Re: Suggestions?)
- --- Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
> NP - Witold Lutoslawski, Symphony No. 2 - second
> movement, Polish Natl Radio
> Sym / Wit (Naxos)
OT: speaking of Berne, and of Lutoslawski---Tim Berne,
no name-dropper he, listed WL's 'cello concerto as one
of his favorites somewhere on-line (Perfect Sound
Forever?); I bought the Naxos CD with the concerto and
some other pieces, and fell in love with it. Really
powerful, sensual stuff, I thought. For some reason I
have not checked any other work out. Does anyone care
to offer recs on pieces/recordings? Private e.mail
would be appreeciated if you don't think the list
would be interested.
Thanks, happy new year,
- ----s
np: Pierre Henry, MOUVEMENT-RHYTHM-ETUDE (Philips)
nr: Mishima Yukio, SPRING SNOW
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:16:45 +1050
From: "Case" <sinkas@camtech.net.au>
Subject: Re: Bowie [was Re: eno]
Hi there,
excellent topic!
I hold Bowie's "1. Outside" as my all time favourite album. It is the most enthralling
piece of work I have ever heard, I would say it takes some committment to "get
into it" as it contains some fairly weird ideas. but i think that the music,
and the segues and the diaries work together to make it brilliant.
ALso Earthling is not to be scoffed at, it has some very good drum and bass,
and at the time of realease, was a particularly "new sounding" record. Definitely
worth the cash!
Case
I've skipped the last four Bowie albums (everything post-Tin Machine,
frankly), but Ben's reminder has me curious. What does anyone/everyone
think of the recent Bowie/Eno collaboration 'Outside'? And, while we're
at it, if anyone has opinions on 'Earthling' and 'Hours,' I'd be game to
hear those, as well.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:22:07 -0800
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Fw: Music Biz Haiku
Blame Paul Smoker:
> Music Biz Haiku
>>
>> Money's everything
>> Playing any gig that comes
>> Whores, we are all whores
>>
>> Squeaking and squawking
>> All eyes roll to the heavens
>> The clarinet speaks
>>
>> One beat to change from
>> Harmon to cup to bucket
>> Hey, who wrote this shit?
>>
>> Here comes the high note
>> The lead trumpeter puckers
>> Clam, clam, Fuck! Clam, Shit!
>>
>>
>> The jam session starts
>> Somebody calls "Giant Steps"
>> Cold fear grips my brain
>> (Have to change my reed)
>>
>> Here's the girl singer
>> Stepping to the microphone
>> Pitch, Time, All gone now
>>
>> Gig is going well
>> Asshole requests "In the Mood"
>> I look at my watch
>>
>> I once had a dream
>> Big house, new car, big money
>> Now I play the bass
>>
>> Gorgeous chick tells me
>> "You sound just like Kenny G"
>> My ego shatters
>> (Hope no one heard her)
>> (Quitting music now)
>>
>> Three-eight, eleven-eight
>> Fuck you Andrew Lloyd Webber
>> Five-eight, seven-eight
>
>>
>> The woodwind doubler
>> Practicing the piccolo
>> Frustration defined
>> (Neighbor calls the cops)
>>
>> Trane, Prez, Bird, Brecker
>> Giants of the saxophone
>> Eat shit Kenny G
>>
>> Pit orchestra gig
>> Days and nights become as one
>> I have no damned life
>>
>> Bad intonation
>> Strings are sharp and reeds are flat
>> Brass too loud again
>>
>> Great changes, good groove
>> A one-in-a-million gig
>> No singer; Yippee!
>>
>> The accordion
>> "Squeeze box," yes, but more often
>> "The Stomach Steinway"
>>
>> Bassoons forever
>> Try in vain not to sound like
>> A farting bedpost
>>
>> The strings slowly tune
>> When they're done the unisons
>> Are anything but
>>
>> "I can't find my note"
>> Bemoans the confused singer
>> "Quit now," we all pray
>>
>> The contractor calls
>> Months of Andrew Lloyd Webber
>> "Bird Lives" no longer
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:26:40 -0500
From: "Me" <frunobulax@mpinet.net>
Subject: Re: Suggestions?
ok, this is a bit out of the realm of your favorites, but if you don't have
PET SOUNDS by the Beach Boys, that needs to be your next purchase. i would
type more about it, but i am currently typing this with a broken finger.
anyone agree? disagree?
me
>
> << I'm writing because I'm sure I can get some great
> suggestions from folks on this list. I'm currently
> out of ideas for CD's to buy. I've got all the Zorn
> albums, all the Frisell albums, Pigpen, Zony Mash, a
> bit of this and a bit of that... My favorites are
> listed below... If you have an album that is simular
> to one of these, please notify me so I can check it
> out. Doesn't matter who the artist is...
> Thanks!
>
> -Bill Frisell
> Is that You
> Before we were born
> Gone, just like a train
> Good dog, Happy man
> Where in the world
> -John Zorn
> all the Naked City, Pain killer and Masada
> releases
> Spillane/Godard
> etc.
> -James Carter
> Layin' in the cut
> -Marc Ribot
> the Cubanos stuff mostly...
> -Bobby Previte
> Latin for Travelers
> -Joey Baron
> We'll soon find out and Down home
> -Joshua Redman
> Beyond and Freedom in the Groove
> -Mike Stern
> Play (what's the other stuff like?)
> -Ginger Baker Trio
> both albums
> -Charlie Hunter
> almost everything
> -Wes Montgomery >>
>
>
> ________________________________________________
> The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage
> perhaps in music, because that art contains no material
> to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value,
> and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses.
>
> --Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
>
> -
>
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 02:24:52 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Lutoslawski (was Re: Suggestions?)
Scott Handley wrote:
> --- Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
> > NP - Witold Lutoslawski, Symphony No. 2 - second
> > movement, Polish Natl Radio
> > Sym / Wit (Naxos)
>
> OT: speaking of Berne, and of Lutoslawski---Tim Berne,
> no name-dropper he, listed WL's 'cello concerto as one
> of his favorites somewhere on-line (Perfect Sound
> Forever?)
Yes, it was at Perect Sound Forever. And curiously enough, the
following appears at the end of a segment called "Listening Pleasures"
appended to the Jim Black interview that appeared in the November 2000
issue of JazzTimes: "And anything by Witold Lutoslawski... just say
he'll listen to anything." (Jim's other preferences, by the way,
included albums by Blonde Redhead, Joao Gilberto, Bjork, Bill Frisell,
Paul Motian, Miles Davis, Skuli Sverrisson, Billie Holiday, John
Coltrane, D'Angelo and Albert Ayler.)
> I bought the Naxos CD with the concerto and
> some other pieces, and fell in love with it. Really
> powerful, sensual stuff, I thought. For some reason I
> have not checked any other work out. Does anyone care
> to offer recs on pieces/recordings?
Get the rest of the Naxos series: that's probably the easiest way to do
it. Whether it be the early, tonal, folksy stuff or the later
quasi-aleatoric pieces, I really can't say that I've ever heard anything
by Lutoslawski that I genuinely disliked, and the Polish radio orchestra
that made the Naxos series really seems to have the music well in hand.
(Marcin, correct me if I'm deluded...)
Among the stronger mature pieces are Chain 2, the Symphony No. 3, and
the orchestral song Les Espaces du Sommeil, all of which are now
available on Naxos. You can pay premium prices for the stars, who are
absolutely fine: I got to know Chain 2 through Anne Sophie Mutter's DG
recording, and Les Espaces via the gorgeous John Shirley-Quirk/Esa-Pekka
Salonen CBS recording. But now you can also pay less and just get to
know the music in committed performances and more-than-acceptable
recordings, and then decide later if you want to pay more to hear
whether a "star" might bring more to it, if indeed it's even possible
given the state of the major label catalogs. Lately I'm opting for the
latter in most cases, and I'm finding that Naxos is not merely
maintaining a steady level of competence, but is actually improving as
more artists want to sail with their bestselling ship. (I'm enjoying
their Penderecki series as well.)
On the other hand, the Double Concerto for Oboe, Harp and String
Orchestra is not yet available on Naxos. It was written for Heinz and
Ursula Holliger, who have recorded it twice already: first with the
Cincinnati Symphony directed by Michael Gielen on Vox (which should be
readily available and cheap), and then with the Bavarian Radio Symphony
directed by the composer on Philips, which was full-price and is most
likely out of print, but is truly fine, and is paired with a recording
of the Cello Concerto performed by Heinrich Schiff, also led by the
composer. The Vox performance is excellent (and Gielen is a brilliant
conductor), but there the pairing is Richard Strauss's lovely but slight
neo-classical Oboe Concerto. Given the choice, look for the Philips
disc.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Carcass, "Exhume to Consume," 'Wake Up and Smell the Carcass'
(Earache)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:51:18 +0100
From: "Stefan Verstraeten" <stefan.annik@planetinternet.be>
Subject: Re: Songs (Bailey with Haino)
Hello,
I got a reply from derek bailey, concerning the nature of the recording of
the SONGS cd (Derek Bailey and Keiji Haino)
Best wishes,
Stefan Verstraeten
stefan.annik@planetinternet.be
- -----Original Message-----
From: INCUS RECORDS
To: Stefan Verstraeten <stefan.annik@planetinternet.be>
Date: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:38 PM
Subject: message for Stefan
>Dear Stefan
>
>Of course the guitar & words on "Songs" are improvised, nothing
>pre-meditated, our policy at Incus is, as always has been, Improvised
>Music only.
>Pleased you liked "Bob" (J. Holbrooke), see you hopefully at De Singel in
Antwerp
>Regards
>Derek
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:43:09 +0100
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: J.A. Deane /w Bill Frisell
Hi,
does anybody know anything about this recording with Bill Frisell:
ZERX 28 J.A.DEANE - These Times (rec. october 1988)
I haven┤t heard of it before and can┤t find it in the Frisell disco
www.emd.pl/emd/en4/artists/f/frisell_bill/index.htm
thanks in advance!
Andreas
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- -
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:06:39 +0000
From: dan hill <dan@state51.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Suggestions?
>The Ducret trio album on screwgun "l'ombra di verdi" (what does that mean
>anyway?) is also worth mentioning. I can't remember the names of the
>drummer and bassist though....just go to www.screwgunrecords.com if you're
>interested.
i loved this album - ducret's an awe-inspiring player. the bass
player is Bruno Chevillon and the drummer is Eric Echampard ... it's
a real power-trio album ... there's more info, even more opinion, and
soundclips at:
http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/448.html
hope this helps
dan.
ps. in my review at motion, i threw out a question regarding the
whereabouts (musicial or otherwise) of the guitarist joe baiza, of
universal congress of (who i thought was great). no-one ever got back
to me, and it strikes me that this list might be the best place to
ask ... what happened to joe baiza?
- --
|||| dan hill [state51]
|||| new reviews on motion [3.1.2001]:
|||| john cage | HIM | mark springer | microstoria | jonathan
coleclough | techno animal vs dalek | koch-sch=FCtz-studer plus dj m.
singe & dj i-sound
|||| http://motion.state51.co.uk/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 06:40:29 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Bowie [was Re: eno]
At 10:50 PM 1/2/01 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
>
<flushright>>What does anyone/everyone think of the recent Bowie/Eno
collaboration Outside'?
>
A couple of years ago I worked in a small bullpen with one CD player and
an architect who didn't like headphones, so we took turns playing cds for
the group. He was a big Bowie fan and played both Outside and Earthling
a lot. Both were pretty interesting, but Outside was, well, outside
enough to make it one of the two albums of his that I missed when the
company went under (the other was by Sara Hickman, a singer-songwriter
from Texas). He tracked down Ground Zero and Cynical Hysterie Hour from
my collection, so I guess the trades were about even.
</flushright>
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
- -
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 04:00:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Suggestions...
Thanks for all the suggestions... Many of you
mentioned Jim Black, Dave Douglas, and Chris Speed
among a few others. I feel I've been given a great
arsenal in which to find new, good music. Thanks
again!
- -Theo
=====
- -That which is Theodorus "Good bye sober day, hello milky way..."www.freeyellow.com/members7/theodorus/index.html
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:13:24 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: RE: Bowie [was Re: eno]
Like some have already said, OUTSIDE is a great labum, very interesting ...
EARTHLING is also good, but not that complex ... it's still excellent, the
drum n bass experimentations are well done, and it contains a lot of heavy
playing from BOWIE and his excellent guitarist (ex-guitarist?) REEVES
GABRELS.
The HOURS album is more song-based, and calm, although there's one big
heavy song THE PRETTY THINGS ARE GOING TO HELL, but the whole album is more
simple, nevertheless very good.
Now, has anyone heard the new BBC BOWIE compilation, it includes two discs
of most of his BBC sessions and an extra limited edition third disc
containing a 2000 concert. Looks nice, but I would like your opinion.
Thanks
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
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