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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #186
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, December 3 2000 Volume 03 : Number 186
In this issue:
-
Re: Caine / Mahler
Re: live from the knit/bet
Odp: help me find hathut
Odp: Zorn ends Masada
Re: Odp: help me find hathut
Review of Acid Mothers Temple and Alabama ThunderPussy
k.g./tempting improv
caine mahler
ionesco
merzbow
Charly reissues...are they gone again?
RE: Tim Sparks (was"Neshamah" on Tzadik)
Re: Charly reissues...are they gone again?
trovesi
Re: Charly reissues...are they gone again?
boston --> alvin lucier installation
Odp: Zorn ends Masada
sale/trade (a few zorn-list specific items)
PROMO: Electro Acoustic
49/32 Radio updates 8/2000 to 12/3/2000
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 11:25:02 +0800
From: numbats@iinet.net.au
Subject: Re: Caine / Mahler
>Some weeks ago there was a discussion about the Goldberg Variations.
>And, ad far as I remember several people were criticized this
>recording. But what's your opinion of the Mahler released, especially
>the live recording (Toblach)?
Hi,
I am an admirer of Caine's work. I am also an admirer of Mahler's music,
and have been for 30 years. I bought the studio album on the strength of
the reviews and the above admiration. I keep trying with it, but find that
it is the "avant garde" equivalent of Jaque Loussier's Bach/Jazz records
that were so popular. They were bad Bach and worse jazz.
regards,
Billy
- -
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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 00:30:41 -0800
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: live from the knit/bet
kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
>
> Dec. 6 - BURNT SUGAR - Music journalist
> Greg Tate's ensemble, inspired by Chaka
> Khan, Electric Miles, P-Funk and Butch
> Morris, breaks new ground in the discovery
> of where composition ends and improvisation
> begins.
Well, this gets my attention too but I don't live in NYC and I don't get BETOJ.
Anyone know if this group has recorded?
- --
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"There are sounds which seem to pass through all the protective gates
in the ear and reach into some nerve where the eschatology is stored."
-- Norman Mailer
np: Michel Pascal, _Puzzle_
nr: Arturo Perez-Reverte, _The Club Dumas_
- -
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:13:59 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: help me find hathut
> Steve Smith
> ssmith36@sprynet.com
> NP - nothing, but looking forward to hearing both Fripp and Frisell
> tonight (separate events, of course...)
BTW, has anybody here heard the new 'heavy construction' king crimson's 3cd
set? Any opinions?
(I ordered my copy via amazonUK, but there's some problems with the
availability)
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:19:59 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Zorn ends Masada
My email adress changed (BTW if anybody sent me some personal email to
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl, i'll read them next week), so i did not get the
message about the end of masada. I did not read the list because... i went
to Prague to see a masada show - a terrific one, (yes, and in case if any
zlisters have were there, i was the idiot in the Figo Real Madrid T-shirt).
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Allaert <Rob@llaert.nu>
To: <kurt_gottschalk@scni.com>; Zornlist <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Zorn ends Masada
> kurt wrote: i don't believe masada is retiring. jz would erect more
fanfare
> if that were the case, methinks.
> _______________
> Well, it was written that Zorn chose to put an end to his Masada band. I
see
> no reason why this loyal reporter (deStandaard) would fabricate this
> message. This means that Paris is the last European visit by Masada. And
> Minneapolis could be bye bye for good.
>
> We'll see !!!!
>
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:12:13 -0500
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: help me find hathut
On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:13:59PM +0100, Marcin Gokieli wrote:
> BTW, has anybody here heard the new 'heavy construction' king crimson's 3cd
> set? Any opinions?
I have and love it. The studio album almost sounds, in retrospect, like
a sketchpad for the live work. OTOH, it's from the early leg of the tour,
and they were even better later live in DC (and I understand,
consistently on the latter legs of the tour) so if they do another live
album from the tour (as I understand is likely) it should be even better.
On the other other hand, the system is quite inexpensive, and the third
CD, of improvisations, is worth it.
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
- -
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:53:50 -0500
From: "Toula Ballas" <toulab@msn.com>
Subject: Review of Acid Mothers Temple and Alabama ThunderPussy
Greetings,
Went to see the ACM's Temple and Alabama ThunderPussy show in a defunct
bowling alley in Chicago last night. WOW. The surprise of the show was
Alabama ThunderPussy. This was hardcore par excellence! Fast changes
marking time beautifully
and crescendo's building like a well crafted Fred Hopkins solo (well, oh why
not.) These cats are actually from Virginia
and should not be missed. ACM Temple had two roland synth's, bass, drum and
guitar. The set was rumblin, bumblin and stumblin madness. Periods of
drifting chaos and periods of shear bliss. My ears need a day to recover.
Paul
- -
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:59:56 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: k.g./tempting improv
In a message dated 12/1/00 10:39:34 PM, you wrote:
<<And KURT GOTTSCHALK, who I've run into at more gigs recently than anyone
else from the Z-List.>>
i've even spied him at classical concerts! though of lefty composers, LOL.
steve the monkeyboy
n.p. the temptations "hey jude"- incredible improv singing along with the
sitar
- -
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:06:34 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: caine mahler
In a message dated 12/1/00 10:39:34 PM,TimBlechmann@gmx.de wrote:
<<But what's your opinion of the Mahler released, especially
the live recording (Toblach)?>>
i thrall to the single disc; i am a major mahler freak and
think he totally has the spirit of the pieces. it's on my
life-favorites list, which i havent made up yet.
havent heard the live double. w+w doubles scare me,
physically, even more than their single cardboard-clutchers do.
i have an interview with uri about Mahler in Signal to Noise
Issue13, September/October 1999. dunno if it's available
anywhere in germany.
steve koenig
n.p.: "this is a message/ a message to y'all/
united we stand/ divided we fall" god i love hippie-time motown
- -
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:11:49 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: ionesco
In a message dated 12/1/00 10:39:34 PM, Zach wrote:
<<
Can any one tell me about the Ionesco play "Jack or Submission?" It's also
called "Jacques or Obedience." I would like to know if any one has insight
into any of the characters or the play in general. Thanks.
>>
dear zach,
thats one of his few pieces i dont know, and thanks for the impetus to
read it. there are a few recordings using his works, and as soon as i suss
out where they are in this (ware)house, i'll drop a note. natch,
there are also the caedmon LP of 'rhinoceros' with zero mostel,
which i dont like very much. must-haves are his two books for children,
sadly out of print, and very very ionesco. it's a family tale and very
french;
all the characters, mother father sisters all are all named jacqueline.
- --steve koenig
- --n.p, "theatre parisienne de sara bernhardt" emi france 6-cd spoken word,
including jean cocteau, now cut-out for $18 at broinc.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:18:01 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: merzbow
In a message dated 12/1/00 10:39:34 PM, you wrote:
<<examples of really really starkingly beautiful merzbow
records. please? (and where i could get them...)
thanzx, samuel>>
im currently frequently playing merzbow's "13 floors collapsing,"
not stark but very wonderfully fluid; not cut-up noise nor drone.
in a pile somewhere soi cant tell ya the label offhand,
possibly alien8 from canada.
available from manifoldrecords.com
steve koenig
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 05:09:11 -0000
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Charly reissues...are they gone again?
Thanks to Steve for his nice comments the other day.
I just had an order cancelled from Other Music recently. I had tried to buy
the remaining Charly reissues--Cherry's Mu, Sun Ra's Solar Myth, Shepp's
Blase, Art Ensemble's Jackson and Message. These are apparently out of
print again and are unavailable (almost as soon as they were re-released).
I luckily managed to get a copy of Jazz Actuel, though that has now become
difficult to find as well. I've heard comments about legal problems with
the Charly reissues. I hesitate to support them but I do want the releases
on CD (got a few on vinyl already). Does anyone know if they are still
available anywhere and if so where? I've struck out everywhere else so far.
Thanks in advance.
_____________________________________________________________________________________
Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 02:16:31 -0200
From: "Hugo Linares" <hlinares@utenet.com.ar>
Subject: RE: Tim Sparks (was"Neshamah" on Tzadik)
Hi,
I haven't listened to Tim Spark's "Neshamah" (but I will, Artur!), but I
just picked up "Tanz" (also on Tzadik) and it's an oustanding album indeed.
There are beautiful Jewish, Sephardic and Oriental traditional melodies
played by this incredible guitarrist, with Greg Cohen and Cyro Baptista
augmenting and bringing a great level of quality.
Even Down Beat reviewed it as a five star recording.
Just my 2 pesos.
Hugo Linares
NP: Gianluigi Trovesi / Gianni Coscia_Radici_ EGEA Edizioni Discografiche.
You can't leave this world without listening to these two giants on clarinet
and accordion.
- ----- Mensaje original -----
De: Artur Nowak <arno@emd.pl>
Para: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Enviado: Domingo 12 de Marzo de 2000 07:10 AM
Asunto: Tim Sparks' "Neshamah" on Tzadik
> Hi Philozorners,
>
> I dont' remember anybody's comments about Tim Sparks' "Neshamah" album
> released last year by Tzadik in the Radical Jewish Culture series.
> IMHO, this album is great! Just solo acoustic guitar playing
> beautifull traditional melodies. Tim's technique is excellent, I could
> bet he did overdubbs in few tracks, but it's just him, playing with 5
> fingers of his right hand. Really, an amazing guitarist. But not anly,
> his arrangements are very interesting, some melodies are quite simple,
> but Tim build whole "orchestration" around them. He plays odd meter
> patterns easily, listening to it for the first time I was repeating
> "wow, how he did that!". Ultimate listening!
>
> Tim Sparks homepage: http://www.itascasw.com/timsparks/core.html
>
> __________________________________________________________________
> Artur Nowak [arno AT emd.pl]
> www.emd.pl - Discography of Bill Frisell
>
>
> -
>
- -
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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:25:00 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Charly reissues...are they gone again?
In a message dated 12/3/00 12:10:24 AM, bashline@hotmail.com writes:
<< Does anyone know if they are still available anywhere and if so where?
I've struck out everywhere else so far. >>
Aquarius lists these titles, not sure how frequently they update their online
catalog.
www.aquariusrecordsSF.com
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:42:20 +0100
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <fmartinelli@tin.it>
Subject: trovesi
> NP: Gianluigi Trovesi / Gianni Coscia_Radici_ EGEA Edizioni Discografiche.
> You can't leave this world without listening to these two giants on
clarinet
> and accordion.
>
If you like Trovesi try to find his fantastic octet records (Les Hommes
ArmΘs). In my opinion, after Radici, the ECM cd In Cerca Di Cibo is slightly
disappointing, but it's a hit of course. Excellent composition (Scarlattina)
on the latest Instabile Cd (Enja), and look out for the next Orchestre
National de Jazz (France) Cd (tba) with guest soloists Trovesi, Anouar
Brahem and Franτois Jeanneau.
Francesco
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:38:56 +0100
From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: Charly reissues...are they gone again?
Sunday, December 03, 2000, 6:09:11 AM, you wrote:
Bill> difficult to find as well. I've heard comments about legal problems with
Bill> the Charly reissues. I hesitate to support them but I do want the releases
Bill> on CD (got a few on vinyl already). Does anyone know if they are still
At least some of them are bootlegs. I've got Massacre's KILLING TIME
and Fred Frith told me, it is a bootleg.
And as far as the prices are quite low, I suppose this is not the only
bootleg.
PEACE
Tim mailto:TimBlechmann@gmx.de
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 08:20:20 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: boston --> alvin lucier installation
dear listfolk,
anything perpetrated by lucier, manley and weinstein is bound to be worth it
:)
steve koenig
Music on a Long Thin Wire
A sound installation by Alvin Lucier
November 5, 2000 - February 25, 2001
Extend a long metal wire...
Drive the wire with a sine wave oscillator...(to produce) nodal shifts, echo
trains,
noisy overdrivings,rhythmic figures at low frequencies, phase-related time
lags,
simple and complex harmonic structures, larger self-generative cyclic
patterns,
stops and starts, and other audible and visible phenomena.
(from the score, 1977)
Installed by Ben Manley, Alvin Lucier, and David Weinstein
Museum of Fine Arts, Boston
465 Huntington Avenue
(617) 267-9300
- -
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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:54:35 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
Subject: Odp: Zorn ends Masada
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Marcin Gokieli <marcingokieli@go2.pl>
> My email adress changed (BTW if anybody sent me some personal email to
> marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl, i'll read them next week), so i did not get the
> message about the end of masada. I did not read the list because... i went
> to Prague to see a masada show - a terrific one, (yes, and in case if any
>> zlisters have were there, i was the idiot in the Figo Real Madrid
T-shirt).
It looks as if the end of the message - the importrant thing -
disappeared... I just wansted to know where the idea of masada's end come
from.
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:11:15 -0500
From: "Nirav Soni" <nirav@ink19.com>
Subject: sale/trade (a few zorn-list specific items)
Money folks: I'm needing it, and you have it. Some of these are in some sort
of special promotional packaging, and they're marked with a *. All of these
are cds and are $9ppd. Buy 3, take a dollar off. Buy 5 or more, take $2 off.
I can give tracklistings, info even reiews occasionally.
Here's the catch. I've got to have the money by early next week, so if you
aren't going to send the money in the next few days, you run the risk of
having your package go out after the new year.
I'll take trades, but it's money that I really need. I've got a huge
wantlist, so inquire if you want a shot at it.
Cheers,
Nirav
AIM: Icefactory37
- --
"Don't try to make me consistent. I am learning all the time." - R.
Buckminster Fuller
Jazz/Improv/Blues:
Han Bennink- Nerve Beats
*Joe Morris Quartet- At the Old Office
Other Dimensions in Music w/ Matthew Shipp- Time is the Essence Beyond Time
Matthew Shipp w/ William Parker- DNA
Matthew Shipp Trio- Circular Temple
Steam- Real Time
Tronzo/Granelli/Epstein- Crunch
Composition:
Gal- Bestimmung New York
John Hudak- Don't Worry About Anything, I'll Talk to You Tomorrow
Mahler- Symphony #1/Der Titan
Ennio Moricone- A Fistful of Filmmusic
- -
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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:50:46 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: PROMO: Electro Acoustic
Experimental Intermedia and Erstwhile Records are proud to present:
ELECTRO ACOUSTIC
A listening experience comprised of carefully selected pieces from all=20
corners of the globe, both current and historical, and programmed=20
specifically to take full advantage of the superb EI audio system.=20
Featured artists include:
Robert Ashley
Harry Bertoia
Kevin Drumm/RLW
I-Sound
Intersystems
Gottfried Michael Koenig
Thomas Lehn/Marcus Schmickler
Erik M.
G=FCnter M=FCller/L=EA Quan Ninh
Toshimaru Nakamura/Sachiko M.
Otomo Yoshihide/Voice Crack
Dick Raaijmakers
Ignaz Schick
Burkhard Stangl/Christof Kurzmann
Stilluppsteypa/TV Pow
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Akio Suzuki
John Wall
Iannis Xenakis
curated by Jon Abbey of Erstwhile Records and Michael Goodstein of WFMU=20
December 17, 3-11 PM. Experimental Intermedia, 224 Centre St., NYC.=20
admission is $4.99.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 19:34:43 -0500
From: David Beardsley <xouoxno@virtulink.com>
Subject: 49/32 Radio updates 8/2000 to 12/3/2000
Hello folks,
Happy Holidays and all that stuff. I've updated the part of the
49/32 Radio archives from August 2000 to December 3, 2000 (this
weekend). Mid-March to August 2000 will get done in the near future.
49/32 Radio is the very first all microtonal streaming audio program
on the net. Microtonal is a term that loosely covers any music outside
of the 12 tone equal temperament commonly accepted in the Western
world - the notes in between the frets of a guitar or the pitches
between the keys of a piano. Microtonality isn't a style of music,
rather an approach to pitch.
Recent programs featured Vishwa Mohan Bhatt, Mohamed Abdel Wahab,
Chas Smith, Anaympatti S. Dhandapani, Talip Ozkan, Musicans from the
Deserts of Rajasthan, Hariprasad Chaurasia, the Master Musicans of
Jajouka, Anthology of World Music: The Music of Tibetan Buddhism,
Carter Scholtz, The Monks of the Drepung-Loseling Monastery,
David Maranha, Jah Wobble & the Invaders of the Heart,
Jon Catler and the Evolution Ensemble, Neil Haverstick,
Pauline Oliveros, John Cale, Tony Conrad, Angus Maclise,
La Monte Young, Marian Zazeela and Arnold Dreyblatt and the Orchestra
of Excited Strings
http://www.virtulink.com/immp/jux/j_index.htm#events
- --
* D a v i d B e a r d s l e y
* 49/32 R a d i o "all microtonal, all the time"
* http://www.virtulink.com/immp/lookhere.htm
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