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Zorn List Digest       Tuesday, December 5 2000       Volume 03 : Number 187



In this issue:
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       Looking for books
       Re: Looking for books
       Re: Looking for books
       tonight: ostertag and minton
       byg
       nyc/hi performances on a budget
       Re: nyc/hi performances on a budget
       Re: nyc/hi performances on a budget
       RE: Charly reissues
       Re: Looking for books
       INFINITY by Coltrane on Impulse! Japan?
       Re: INFINITY by Coltrane on Impulse! Japan?
       Fwd: Gabriel Garcia Marquez
       Infinity string charts
       Re: Infinity string charts
       RE: Gabriel Garcia Marquez

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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:31:31 -0500
From: Peter Gannushkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Looking for books

Hello All,

  I just found two books at Barnes & Noble: "New Dutch Swing" and "The
  Essential Klezmer" which seem interesting.

  Does anybody know what other books have anything about creative
  music in general and John Zorn particularly?

Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: [e-mail]
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/



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Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 23:59:52 -0500
From: Mike Chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Looking for books

on 12/3/00 11:31 PM, Peter Gannushkin at [e-mail] wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I just found two books at Barnes & Noble: "New Dutch Swing" and "The
> Essential Klezmer" which seem interesting.
>
> Does anybody know what other books have anything about creative
> music in general and John Zorn particularly?

Get your hands on a copy of William Duckworth's "Talking Music."  It has a
long interview with Zorn.  You might also find John Corbett's "Extended
Play" interesting.

- --Mike


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Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:59:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Looking for books

- --- Peter Gannushkin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>   I just found two books at Barnes & Noble: "New
> Dutch Swing" and "The
>   Essential Klezmer" which seem interesting.

I saw Kevin Whitehead read from _New Dutch Swing_ when
the book was just published, in Chicago; it was at the
Empty Bottle Festival, and that year there were a
number of visiting Dutch musicians featured.
Whitehead is a pretty hilarious guy; I can't imagine
an American better suited to chase the zany Dutch.  (I
do mean _certain_ zany Dutch, no offense to Dutch on
list.)

>   Does anybody know what other books have anything
> about creative
>   music in general and John Zorn particularly?

I thought ARCANA was a fine read, almost quixotically
heterogeneous, maybe a "manifesto", as one lister put
it, but appropriately patchwork.  No Zorn content, but
I thought John Corbett's book EXTENDED PLAY (Duke
Press) was pretty great, with a pretty wide-ranging
annotated discography as a appendix, a long academic
article making prominent use of theory, Evan Parker,
and Milford Graves (where Corbett fails, IMHO, the
effort is still interesting, and refreshingly heady);
plus interviews with Ikue Mori, John Cage, Sun Ra, and
other people.  The book is over six years old now, and
I wish Corbett had another already out.  If you like
theory, and if you like that aspect of Corbett, maybe
you would like Jacques Attali's NOISE: THE POLITICAL
ECONOMY OF MUSIC.  I like this book, but many olks I
know and respect find it to be poppycock and rot.

What do listers think of David Toop's books?

- ----s, zany american

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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:14:26 +0100 (MET)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: tonight: ostertag and minton

Again a concert announcement for SOuthern GErmany:

tonight Bob Ostertag and Phil Minton will play live at the Sudhaus in
Tuebingen.
The concert will start at 9 pm.

hope some of you can make it there.

Bjoern


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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:54:43 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: byg

In a message dated 12/3/00 8:36:13 PM, you wrote:
<<remaining Charly reissues>>

i believe i saw some at kims st marks, also i think bruce at downtown music
gallery still can get em.  i was loathe to get the byg actual 3cd set as i
have so much
on it and wd prefer to save for full disc reissues, but who knows.
there are 2cd reissues that came out this these,
but for each 2cd set i already have one of em on vinyl;
$25 is a lot to pay for a single, usually short album.
i find a lot of sealed byg/charly Lps cheap on my visits to mexico city,
the covers warped with shrinkwrap, but the discs not.

steve koenig...np: the buzz of my computer telling me get back to work, boy.

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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:10:56 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: nyc/hi performances on a budget

In a message dated 12/3/00 8:36:13 PM, you wrote:
<<Subject: PROMO: Electro Acoustic
Experimental Intermedia and Erstwhile Records are proud to present:
ELECTRO ACOUSTIC
A listening experience comprised of carefully selected pieces from all
corners of the globe, both current and historical, and programmed
specifically to take full advantage of the superb EI audio system.
>>

hi jon and all,
I was going to copy this earlier so jon wouldn't have to.  sounds great.
also: those of you in/near new york should know what all events at XI,
phill niblock's home-loft-performance space is wonderful, just a few
blocks from roulette, and is still only $4.99 and they give you back the
penny.
istarted going there when it was only $1.99.  still a bargain, at (arggh...
i missplaced the URL).  also, reminder, roulette is the other amazing great
bargain, offering you $10 for single admission or the silly-not-to-get
$60/annual
membership which is free admission to all concerts, about 100 per year.
also downtown music gallery offers free instore concerts every sunday at 7pm,
and has included the likes of jon rose, chadbourne, both maneris, maz-connors,
and others too numerous to mention, but  also lots of folks
with discs on tzadik and avant.  also dont forget free concerts at mannes
school of music and manhattan school of music, and juilliard.
roulette.org; dtmggallery.com
oh yeah...  and jumps arts, pink pony & brecht forum :)  <waves hi to kurt>

steve koenig  n.p.: the sound of my keybd clicking away at yaz

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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:11:10 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: nyc/hi performances on a budget

In a message dated 12/4/00 9:11:36 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< still a bargain, at (arggh...
i missplaced the URL). >>

the full December schedule is at:

www.experimentalintermedia.org/concerts/00/december.shtml

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:18:07 -0500
From: "Jesse Kudler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: nyc/hi performances on a budget

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 9:10 AM
Subject: nyc/hi performances on a budget

> also: those of you in/near new york should know what all events at XI,
> phill niblock's home-loft-performance space is wonderful, just a few
> blocks from roulette, and is still only $4.99 and they give you back the
> penny.
> istarted going there when it was only $1.99.  still a bargain, at
(arggh...
> i missplaced the URL).

http://www.experimentalintermedia.org/

- -Jesse


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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:52:27 -0600
From: "John Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Charly reissues

> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 05:09:11 -0000
> From: "Bill Ashline" <[e-mail]>

[snip...on Charly reissues]

> Does anyone know if they
> are still
> available anywhere and if so where?  I've struck out
> everywhere else so far.
>   Thanks in advance.
>

You could try 33 Degrees in Austin, TX. I bought a copy
of the Art Ensemble disc there a few months back. I have no
affiliation etc. etc. with the store except as a satisified
customer.

Good luck
John

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Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:03:33 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Looking for books

At 9:59 PM 12/3/00, Scott Handley wrote:
>
>What do listers think of David Toop's books?
>
I really like "Ocean of Sound", it ties a lot of threads together in very
interesting ways. I liked "Exotica" a lot less.

____________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : [e-mail]
Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic
Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus-
____________________________________________



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Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:42:43 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: INFINITY by Coltrane on Impulse! Japan?

    I was surprised to see INFINITY by Coltrane in the import section of
Tower Records. The record is on Impulse! Japan and it is the first time that
I hear about it. Does anybody have comments/advices concerning it?

    Thanks,

    Patrice.

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Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 18:48:43 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: INFINITY by Coltrane on Impulse! Japan?

Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
>         I was surprised to see INFINITY by Coltrane in the import section of
> Tower Records. The record is on Impulse! Japan and it is the first time that
> I hear about it. Does anybody have comments/advices concerning it?

I have the Impulse LP. The original recordings were done in 1966, but
Alice Coltrane added string arrangements in 1972. The result is a little
odd, imho, but not entirely unpleasant. Interesting to note that Charlie
Haden plays on three of the four (original) tracks. It's worth having
for lovers of late Coltrane, though not quite ont he order of things
like 'Live in Japan', again imho.

Brian Olewnick

NP: Barry Guy/LJCO -- Portraits

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Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:03:28 -0000
From: "Bill Ashline" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Gabriel Garcia Marquez

I thought I would pass this on to our fine list, though it is clearly
off-topic.  I simply thought that a number of people here might be
interested to know.  Cheers....

>Gabriel Garcia Marquez* has retired from public life due to
> > health reasons: cancer of the lymph nodes. It seems that it is
> > getting worse. He has sent this farewell letter to his friends,
> > which has been translated and posted on the Internet. Please
> > read and forward to any who might enjoy it. This is possibly,
> > sadly, one of the last gifts to humanity from a true master.
> > This short text, written by one of the most brilliant Latin
> > Americans in recent times, is truly moving.
> > _______________
> > If for an instant God were to forget that I am rag doll and gifted
> > me with a piece of life, possibly I wouldn't say all that I think, but
> > rather I would think of all that I say. I would value things, not
> > for their worth but for what they mean. I would sleep little, dream
> > more, understanding that for each minute we close our eyes we lose
> > sixty seconds of light.
> >
> > I would walk when others hold back, I would wake when others
> > sleep. I would listen when others talk, and how I would enjoy a
> > good chocolate ice cream! If God were to give me a piece of life,
> > I would dress simply, throw myself face first into the sun, baring
> > not only my body but also my soul. My God, if I had a heart, I
> > would write my hate on ice, and wait for the sun to show. Over
> > the stars I would paint with a Van Gogh dream a Benedetti poem,
> > and a Serrat song would be the serenade I'd offer to the moon.
> > With my tears I would water roses, to feel the pain of their thorns,
> > and the red kiss of their petals...
> >
> > My god, if I had a piece of life... I wouldn't let a single day pass
> > without telling the people I love that I love them. I would convince
> > each woman and each man that they are my favorites, and I would
> > live in love with love. I would show men how very wrong they are
> > to think that they cease to be in love when they grow old, not
> > knowing that they grow old when they cease to be in love! To a
> > child I shall give wings, but I shall let him learn to fly on his own.
> > I would teach the old that death does not come with old age, but
> > with forgetting. So much have I learned from you, oh men...
> >
> > I have learned that everyone wants to live on the peak of the
> > mountain, without knowing that real happiness is in how it is
> > scaled. I have learned that when a newborn child squeezes for the
> > first time with his tiny fist his father's finger, he has him trapped
> > forever. I have learned that a man has the right to look down on
> > another only when he has to help the other get to his feet. From
> > you I have learned so many things, but in truth they won't be of
> > much use, for when I keep them within this suitcase, unhappily
> > shall I be dying.
> >
> > GABRIEL GARCIA MARQUEZ
> >
>
>

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Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 08:43:07 -0600
From: Moudry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Infinity string charts

At 18:48 04-12-00 -0500, Brian O. wrote:
Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
 >
 >         I was surprised to see INFINITY by Coltrane in the import section of
 > Tower Records. The record is on Impulse! Japan and it is the first time that
 > I hear about it. Does anybody have comments/advices concerning it?

I have the Impulse LP. The original recordings were done in 1966, but
Alice Coltrane added string arrangements in 1972. The result is a little
odd, imho, but not entirely unpleasant. Interesting to note that Charlie
Haden plays on three of the four (original) tracks. It's worth having
for lovers of late Coltrane, though not quite ont he order of things
like 'Live in Japan', again imho.

Brian Olewnick

================

 From an admittedly faulty organic memorybank: didn't Ornette Coleman
actually do the string charts for the hybred Alice Coltrane tracks on the
original (vinyl) release of Infinity? I've never been able to determine if
'Nette did all of the string arrangements or took sketches from Alice and
actualised them for the add-on recordings. Any information would be greatly
appreciated.

Saturnally,
Joe Moudry
Office of Academic Computing & Technology
School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham

Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz):
<http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry>
Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio:
WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham
WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama
WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama


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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:13:30 -0500
From: "George Scala" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Infinity string charts

Joe,

I think you have "Infinity" confused with Alice Coltrane's "Universal
Consciousness", where Ornette is credited with "transcription".  Also on
"Infinity", Jimmy Garrison's original bass part was accidentally erased,
that's why Charlie Haden recorded another bass part in 1972.

George Scala
http://www.mindspring.com/~scala


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Moudry" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 9:43 AM
Subject: Infinity string charts


> At 18:48 04-12-00 -0500, Brian O. wrote:
> Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>  >
>  >         I was surprised to see INFINITY by Coltrane in the import
section of
>  > Tower Records. The record is on Impulse! Japan and it is the first time
that
>  > I hear about it. Does anybody have comments/advices concerning it?
>
> I have the Impulse LP. The original recordings were done in 1966, but
> Alice Coltrane added string arrangements in 1972. The result is a little
> odd, imho, but not entirely unpleasant. Interesting to note that Charlie
> Haden plays on three of the four (original) tracks. It's worth having
> for lovers of late Coltrane, though not quite ont he order of things
> like 'Live in Japan', again imho.
>
> Brian Olewnick
>
> ================
>
>  From an admittedly faulty organic memorybank: didn't Ornette Coleman
> actually do the string charts for the hybred Alice Coltrane tracks on the
> original (vinyl) release of Infinity? I've never been able to determine if
> 'Nette did all of the string arrangements or took sketches from Alice and
> actualised them for the add-on recordings. Any information would be
greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Saturnally,
> Joe Moudry
> Office of Academic Computing & Technology
> School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham
>
> Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz):
> <http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry>
> Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio:
> WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham
> WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama
> WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama
>
>
> -
>


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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:22:48 +0100
From: "Diego Gruber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Gabriel Garcia Marquez

Unfortunately I don't have the time to translate the article where Garcia
Marquez denies the authenticity of this text, it states that it was in fact
written by a mexican ventriloquist called Johnny Welch. I'll just paste the
article in Spanish, sorry for those who won't understand but the main point
is summarized on the lines above (and i agree it's off topic, but i guess it
had to be cleared):

La falsa despedida de Garcφa Mßrquez

En Internet circula un poema atribuido al escritor colombiano, quien neg≤ su
autorφa. Es, en realidad, de un c≤mico mexicano


"Si por un instante Dios se olvidara de que soy una marioneta de trapo y me
regalara un trozo de vida, posiblemente no dirφa todo lo que pienso, pero en
definitiva, pensarφa todo lo que digo". El fragmento es parte de un poema
que circula en Internet, y que en los ·ltimos dφas publicaron varios medios
mexicanos, atribuyΘndoselo al escritor colombiano Gabriel Garcφa Mßrquez
(73).

Seg·n esos medios, Garcφa Mßrquez habφa elegido esas palabras para
despedirse de sus amigos, ante el avance de su enfermedad, un cßncer
linfßtico por el cual estß en tratamiento desde hace mßs de un a±o.

"Lo que me puede matar es la vergⁿenza de que alguien crea que de verdad fui
yo quien escribi≤ una cosa tan cursi", dijo el escritor desde Los Angeles,
cuando se enter≤ de la noticia. Explic≤ que estß muy bien de salud, a punto
de terminar el primer tomo de sus memorias y dispuesto a retomar su vida
normal. Garcφa Mßrquez se instal≤ hace unos meses en esa ciudad, junto a su
mujer, su hijo y sus nietos, para poder completar su tratamiento.

Enseguida se supo la verdad: el poema, que circulaba con el tφtulo "La
marioneta", fue escrito por el c≤mico, imitador y ventrφlocuo mexicano
Johnny Welch. Su tφtulo original es "Si yo tuviera vida", y fue publicado en
un libro de su autorφa, en 1996: "Lo que me ha ense±ado la vida".

En 1986, cuando Jorge Luis Borges estaba gravemente enfermo, se le habφa
atribuido un poema parecido. Seg·n coment≤ el Nobel colombiano, en aquella
oportunidad, Marφa Kodama, su mujer, habφa dicho que si Borges hubiera
escrito una cosa asφ, jamßs se hubiera casado con Θl.

El ventrφlocuo mexicano, autor del poema, se lament≤ por las declaraciones
de Garcφa Mßrquez. "Respeto su opini≤n y es muy vßlida. Yo no soy un
letrado, ni una persona que ha estudiado filosofφa y letras, soy un ser
humano con la necesidad de comunicar lo que siente; no sΘ si lo hago bien o
mal, lo hago con coraz≤n", dijo Welch a medios mexicanos.

Welch dijo tambiΘn que desconocφa c≤mo su poema habφa comenzado a circular
por Internet. Explic≤ que lo habφa presentado por primera vez en un programa
de televisi≤n chileno, conducido por el popular animador Don Francisco, y
que luego lo habφa leφdo en un programa de variedades mexicano. Seg·n Θl, el
poema fue escrito "con la colaboraci≤n" de su mu±eco de trapo", "El Mofles",
con quien realiza sus espectßculos de ventriloquia.

Lejos de pensar en despedidas, Garcφa Mßrquez festej≤ el 30 de mayo los 33
a±os de su novela "Cien a±os de soledad", que lo hizo famoso.




> >Gabriel Garcia Marquez* has retired from public life due to
> > > health reasons: cancer of the lymph nodes. It seems that it is
> > > getting worse. He has sent this farewell letter to his friends,
> > > which has been translated and posted on the Internet. Please
> > > read and forward to any who might enjoy it. This is possibly,
> > > sadly, one of the last gifts to humanity from a true master.
> > > This short text, written by one of the most brilliant Latin
> > > Americans in recent times, is truly moving.


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