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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #151
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, November 2 2000 Volume 03 : Number 151
In this issue:
-
Tre Nel 3000 in RealAudio
Re: Bowie goes ...
Xu Feng sample
terminology: acousmatic
Re: gunter hampel & jeanne
The Arkestra NOW
Re: The Arkestra NOW
Re: terminology: acousmatic
Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #148
Re: Zorn life
Re:Bowie goes ...
Re: : Re: : Zorn life
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?NYC=20show:=20L=EA=20Quan=20Ninh/nmperign=20at=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tonic,=2011/13?=
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_NYC_show:_L=EA_Quan_Ninh/nmperign_at_Tonic=2C_11/13?=
Re: last night's Stilluppsteypa/TV Pow show
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:27:28 -0600
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: Tre Nel 3000 in RealAudio
Just a quick note to let you know that this week's Mappings includes
Zorn's Tre Nel 3000, as well as music by Pamela Z, Frank Zappa,
Walter Zimmermann, Carlos Zingaro, Joseph Zitt, and Peter Zummo.
<http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index.htm>
I'm also in the process of expanding the archive of past play lists,
so if you want to which composers whose names begin with other
letters I've played on the show, now you can.
<http://www.antennaradio.com/avant/mappings/index1.htm>
Now, back to going through the last couple of weeks of accumulated
Zorn list digests.
Bests,
Herb
- --
Herb Levy
P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147
817 377-2983
herb@eskimo.com
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:28:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Paul Audino <psaudino@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Bowie goes ...
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Rob, the Belgian guy wrote:
Actually, Baron played on Bowie's _Outside_ a few years back and Cuong Vu
plays trumpet on a few tracks of his upcoming album.
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:22:04 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: Xu Feng sample
Hello list,
anybody knows where the XU FENG samples are from? You know, the "Don't you
F* wiht me, man", "How Rude", etc.
The first time I heard the first one, I thought it was Woody Harrelson!!!!!
maybe from NATURAL BORN KILLERS, I don't know, to me it sounds like him.
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
NP. MEDESKI MARTIN WOOD - best of
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:38:08 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: terminology: acousmatic
even though i listen to and love all this electronic/tape/cut-up/weird stuff,
i'm still lost about some terminology:
does 'acousmatic' specify a particular genre of electro-acoustic music?
probably jason and jon can straighten me out on this word,
which for some reason always gave me the creeps.
steve koenig
n.p.: stilluppsteypa: ep (soleilmoon); bohuslav martinu, works for duo piano
(elan)
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:56:28 EST
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: Re: gunter hampel & jeanne
<<
Makes me wonder if Gunter Hampel is still alive....
The album with Blake sounds great. >>
dear matt,
gunter is still quite alive and kicking, at 63yo, releasing lots of fine
discs
on his still-continuing Birth records, probably the longest-lived
artist-owned label starting around 1965. he peformed at the knit last week,
tho i wasnt able to catch him. i recently did an extended interview with him
that im still looking to place, as it is long and rich with history and
opinion.
the first rca blake/lee disc ive only heard on the bluebird reissue,
so muffled with sonic solution that it is unlistenable; i become physically
ill.
there's another disc on owl (france)with that duo from more recent years.
if i might transmit info on jeanne from
an excerpt of gunter's longer letter:
I am sorry to report that the great JEANNE LEE has died Oct.24-2000
in Tijuana, Mexico. On behalf of the Hampel-Lee-Family, with our daughter
Cavana Lee-Hampel, son Ruomi Lee Hampel, grandson Beleil and Jeanne's
daughter Naima Lee-Hazelton we are at a great loss, my personal and
musical unity journey with Jeanne from 1967-2000 created not only
Jazzhistory-making personal triumph and masterpieces including
worldwide performances....great LPs and CDs but also the creation of
Theater-pieces, Dance-pieces, Poetry and music, workshops with and
for children, grownups, musicians, dancers.
Our Duo concerts let Dizzy Gillespie remark:
"You continue our great music there,
where our horizon had ended, you are the continuum, the new." ..
..Jeanne is one of a kind, as a person and as an artist,
her contribution to mankind is manifestated, noticed and celebrated...
influencing generations to come.
I have tried to document as much as possible
...on LPs,CDs,Books,Videos (BIRTH RECORDS; www.gunterhampelmu
sic.de,GuntHampel@aol.com)
on my and our beloved Jeanne, I had the favor to share love, feelings,
understanding, care, spiritual awareness, creative work and cultural
responsibilities, and an incredible sense for all the injustice ruling
our blue planet.
33 years of sharing life together like this,
becoming each other in the proceeding, she is the most highly respected
and beloved human, soul and spirit I have met on my 63 year long
pilgrimmage.
To relate in words her greatness will be impossible for me,
but listening to the depth of her most human voice, her incredible timing,
I think she and Louis Armstrong have the best timing in Jazz,
her poetry and her music is the right thing to do to understand her
and her contributions, she made for all of us.
sincerely, Gunter Hampel, Oct.27,2000
(Anyone, who wants to help, financially or with
working on helping to continue publishing documentations
on Jeanne, or never before released products.please contact me.)
Gunter Hampel
211 E 11 St#2
New York City 10003
T. 212 - 477 1695
GuntHampel@aol.com
www.gunterhampelmusic.de
BIRTH RECORDS
p.rEIS sTR.10
37O75 Goettingen
o551-3 18 71
Fx o551 - 3 17 42
- -
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:12:03 CST
From: "samuel yrui" <nonintention@hotmail.com>
Subject: The Arkestra NOW
hey,
what does the Sun Ra Arkestra sound like now? (I mean, what directions
has it gone in since the great Ra's death?)
thanks,
and recommended recordings and where to get them perhaps?
-samuel
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:19:30 -0600
From: Moudry <Moudry@uab.edu>
Subject: Re: The Arkestra NOW
At 16:12 01-11-00 -0600, you wrote:
>hey,
> what does the Sun Ra Arkestra sound like now? (I mean, what directions
> has it gone in since the great Ra's death?)
>
> thanks,
> and recommended recordings and where to get them perhaps?
><snip!>
Samuel,
This URL
<http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry/reviews/elra99021.htm>
will get you to an excellent review of the Arkestra's latest CD, which
contains all the information on ordering it. Good disc, but not totally
representative of what they're about. The Arkestra, under the excellent
direciton of Marshall Allen, is currently on a tour of Europe (details may
be found on my Saturn Web in the Concerts Area).
Hope this helps.
Saturnally,
Joe Moudry
Office of Academic Computing & Technology
School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham
Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz):
<http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry>
Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio:
WUAL 91.5FM Tuscaloosa/Birmingham
WQPR 88.7FM Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama
WAPR 88.3FM Selma/Montgomery/Southern Alabama
- -
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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:05:08 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: terminology: acousmatic
At 04:38 PM 11/1/00 EST, Acousticlv@aol.com wrote:
>even though i listen to and love all this electronic/tape/cut-up/weird
stuff,=20
>i'm still lost about some terminology:
>
>does 'acousmatic' specify a particular genre of electro-acoustic music?
The term seems to have been created, or at least popularized, by Michel
Chion. Here's a definition I found by searching google for the term:
Acousmatic music is music that is recorded and then diffused without
combination with live electronics or live performers; it exists only on
tape (whether analog or digital) or as a fixed set of instructions to a
computer. The term acousmatic is preferred to concr=E8te as it emphasises th=
e
way in which the 'real' acoustic source is assumed to be hidden from the
audience. Acousmatic music does not exclude the use of synthesis or sound
processing; but these processes must be employed in the making of a fixed
artefact that is then diffused, rather than employed during performance.=20
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
- -
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:55:14 EST
From: ObviousEye@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #148
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In a message dated 10/31/00 8:11:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:
> NR: Albert Camus L'Etranger
>
>
Great book. one of my absolute favorites.
ben
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<HTML><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 10/31/00 8:11:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">NR: Albert Camus L'Etranger
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<BR>
<BR>Great book. one of my absolute favorites.
<BR>
<BR>ben</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:48:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zorn life
- --- "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net> wrote:
...and now i have to know the same things
> about John Zorn. So here it
> goes:
>Is he married? Is he straight/gay? Where does he
> live?...
DUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTHDUCKWORTH.
And to a lesser degree...
ARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIV
But, chopsbusting aside, please go look at the
extensive interview with William Duckworth in his book
TALKING MUSIC. See:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0306808935/qid=973129539/sr=1-4/103-8865598-1222264
And you might check out the New Yorker article from
this/last year (time flies on the Zorn list).
- ---s, lives in car, owns LOTS of recordings
NP: Godspeed You Black Emperor, RAISE YOUR SKINNY
FISTS... (Kranky)
__________________________________________________
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:59:26 +1030
From: "sinkas" <sinkas@camtech.net.au>
Subject: Re:Bowie goes ...
Have people hear of his new album "toy" with Annette Peacock etal
its a album of unsued ideas form the 60's of his etc,
Case
"Alma Matters"
- -
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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 01:14:26 -0500
From: Ian Farrell <ifarrell@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: : Re: : Zorn life
> From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zorn life
> ARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIVEARCHIV
what? Archi Vearchi? Author? what is the name of his book?
> William Duckworth TALKING MUSIC
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0306808935/
> qid=973129539/sr=1-4/103-886 5598-1222264
thanks for the URL! it is on order!
> And you might check out the New Yorker article from
> this/last year (time flies on the Zorn list).
can you give a better date of this NYer article?
THANKS!
ian
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:33:01 EST
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?NYC=20show:=20L=EA=20Quan=20Ninh/nmperign=20at=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tonic,=2011/13?=
I'm very, very excited to announce the following show on November 13 at=20
Tonic. I hope to see some of you there. please tell anyone else you think ma=
y=20
be interested, since this show was just scheduled.
- ------------------------------------
L=EA Quan Ninh and nmperign at 8:00 PM, $10 double bill
The NYC debut of French percussionist extraordinaire L=EA Quan Ninh, who has=
=20
worked extensively in both the improv and the contemporary classical genres.=
=20
He's a member of the Quatuor H=EAlios, and has recorded for FMP and For 4 Ea=
rs.=20
Tonight marks the start of his month-long US tour to celebrate his=20
just-released duo CD with G=FCnter M=FCller, La Voyelle Liquide (Erstwhile).=
=20
nmperign are a much-acclaimed duo from Boston, Greg Kelley on trumpet and=20
Bhob Rainey on soprano sax. As a duo, they've recorded for Twisted Village=20
and Intransitive, and have a CD due out soon on the prestigious Selektion=20
label. As solo artists, Kelley has just released a superb CD, Trumpet, on=20
Meniscus, while Rainey is about to release a highly anticipated split LP wit=
h=20
Kevin Drumm (Fringes).=20
Ninh and nmperign will play separate sets tonight, then all three musicians=20
will play a third set, the first time they will have ever performed together=
.=20
- -------------------------------------------------
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 03:13:49 -0500
From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_NYC_show:_L=EA_Quan_Ninh/nmperign_at_Tonic=2C_11/13?=
Here's the rest of the dates, by the way. I was planning to go see him i=
n
Easthampton, but I just realized that I have a theme week radio show that
night. We'll see.
- -Jesse
13 nov : New York (Tonic) with Greg Kelley and Bhob Rainey
14 nov : Annandale NY (Bard College) - solo
15 nov : Easthampton MA (Flywheel) - solo
16 nov : Boston MA (Twisted Village) - solo
18 nov : Pittsburgh PA (Millvale Industrial Theater) - solo
21 nov : Detroit MI (Entropy Studios) with Mike Khoury and Ben Bracken
22 nov : Toronto (The NOW Lounge) with Maury Coles, Arnd Jurgensen and
Tomasz Krakowiak
24 nov : Chicago IL (Lampo) with Guillermo Gregorio
25 nov : Madison WI (Wendy Cooper Gallery) with Scott Fields
26 nov : Minneapolis MN (Gus Lucky's) - solo
29 nov : Denver CO (Museum of Contemporary Art) - with Jack Wright
30 nov/1 dec : Colorado Springs CO (Colorado College) - solo
2 dec : Albuquerque NM (The Outpost) - solo and with J.A. Deane
9 dec : San Diego CA (Spruce Street Forum) - solo
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <JonAbbey2@aol.com>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 1:33 AM
Subject: NYC show: L=EA Quan Ninh/nmperign at Tonic, 11/13
> I'm very, very excited to announce the following show on November 13 at
> Tonic. I hope to see some of you there. please tell anyone else you thi=
nk
may
> be interested, since this show was just scheduled.
>
> ------------------------------------
> L=EA Quan Ninh and nmperign at 8:00 PM, $10 double bill
>
> The NYC debut of French percussionist extraordinaire L=EA Quan Ninh, wh=
o has
> worked extensively in both the improv and the contemporary classical
genres.
> He's a member of the Quatuor H=EAlios, and has recorded for FMP and For=
4
Ears.
> Tonight marks the start of his month-long US tour to celebrate his
> just-released duo CD with G=FCnter M=FCller, La Voyelle Liquide (Erstwh=
ile).
>
> nmperign are a much-acclaimed duo from Boston, Greg Kelley on trumpet a=
nd
> Bhob Rainey on soprano sax. As a duo, they've recorded for Twisted Vill=
age
> and Intransitive, and have a CD due out soon on the prestigious Selekti=
on
> label. As solo artists, Kelley has just released a superb CD, Trumpet, =
on
> Meniscus, while Rainey is about to release a highly anticipated split L=
P
with
> Kevin Drumm (Fringes).
>
> Ninh and nmperign will play separate sets tonight, then all three
musicians
> will play a third set, the first time they will have ever performed
together.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> Jon
> www.erstwhilerecords.com
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 03:09:18 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: last night's Stilluppsteypa/TV Pow show
I had the pleasure of attending this concert as well, and although I still
consider myself rather uninformed about the current overall electro-improv genre
(thus at least partially explaining my tardy response), I'm doing my best to
educate myself in a hurry, and just bought 5 discs from Jon today in order to
move the process along. So here are my observations, with everything in quotes
being from Jon Abbey's original message...
> the sets were quite interesting in juxtaposition, at least for me. TV Pow
> played first, and they come from an improv background, so their set was
> fairly linear. what I mean is that while they covered quite a bit of range,
> there was always some degree of continuity throughout the set.
Agreed. I liked the way the set progressed in a more-or-less developmental
fashion, as opposed to startling and inexplicable jump cuts. Such jump cuts in
Zorn's music make sense to me because they're largely referential to an
underlying narrative ('Spillane,' 'Godard') or comprised of elements from music
that I do know ('Xu Feng,' Naked City). But in a field of music like this,
where I don't know the direct antecedents (I'm still painfully unaware of things
like Panasonic, Oval, ISO and the Mille Plateaux/Ritornell scene), it really
helped me that I could follow the way TV Pow moved from idea to idea in an
incremental way.
Did that make any sense whatsoever?
I would like to have heard more from TV Pow - I clocked their set at around 20
minutes. They were pretty remarkable.
> Stilluppsteypa focused more on connecting different segments
> and stretches, with more of a jump cut approach. some of the stretches and
> sounds they produced were superb.
Agreed here as well. Again, I perhaps don't have the language to clearly
describe this as yet, but I found myself a bit adrift at times during the
Stilluppsteypa set (which I clocked at about 40 minutes). Sometimes my
attention would wander away from the music, and then suddenly everything would
change and I found my attention really glued to what was happening. If that's
indicative of the "jump cuts" that Jon refers to, then perhaps I'm on the verge
of understanding what's going on... and honestly, my mind wanders during
acoustic improv music as well, sometimes, which leads me to believe that somehow
it's all the same basic impulse...
> the combined set brought together the
> strengths of both groups, despite only lasting 10 or 15 minutes. the linear
> flow of TV Pow combined with the superb soundmaking ability of Stilluppsteypa
> to produce some very impressive music.
Agreed once again, but here I wasn't completely certain what was going on until
it was explained to me later (via Jon's post and a conversation we had after the
show)... and for what it's worth, I clocked this at about 15 minutes as well.
First, as Jon mentioned, it was quite uncluttered and didn't always sound like
there were six different people making sounds. So I wasn't always entirely
certain how much actual interaction was taking place. But on reflection, given
that the collaborative set didn't sound exactly like either of the sets that
preceded it, I suppose THAT should have been the biggest clue that there was in
fact a fair amount of listening and interaction going on. For instance, if
there had been six acoustic instrumentalists onstage and two or four of them
weren't playing at a given time, I'd have been able to discern that
immediately. With laptop computers it's a bit different - the six musicians
LOOKED pretty much the same most of the time, whether they were making sounds at
the time or not.
And second, after a while, one of the members of Stilluppsteypa left the stage
while the music was still going on, followed shortly by another. The music
ended with one member of Stilluppsteypa onstage and the three members of TV Pow
smiling a bit sheepishly. So I'm sitting there wondering: What just happened?
Did TV Pow play something that pissed off Stilluppsteypa? It wasn't until this
afternoon ,when Jon explained to me that one of the members of Stilluppsteypa
was *literally* ill and couldn't play any longer, that I fully understood what
I'd seen and could relate it to what I'd heard. And to some degree, that
actually helped to humanize the entire evening to me.
In fact, let me venture one further observation. I attended this evening of
music as much to learn as to enjoy, but at the same time I found myself a bit
wary, given my lack of familiarity with the electro-improv scene and its key
players, wondering how much I "wouldn't get." And while I derived a great deal
of pleasure from the music that was played, I still found myself a bit at odds
because I guess I still don't understand the basics of HOW these musicians are
making the music they make on their laptops.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not into the notion that it's a drag because all
they're doing is typing and pointing and clicking, and I'm certainly not
advocating a return to the Roxy Music-era Brian Eno approach of wearing glittery
costumes and enormous feather boas so that the smallest physical move is
visually amplified, nor am I rebuking Anthony Braxton's stance regarding the
"myth of the sweating brow."
Instead, let me put it this way: I *understand* how sound is produced by a
guitar, both in traditional and untraditional ways. Same goes for a saxophone,
a trumpet, a drum, a piano, and so on. And I'm not out of touch with the notion
of making sounds with analog synthesizers (thanks to college classes in
electronic music) or turntables (thanks to college listening to Christian
Marclay). So is it perhaps, then, that my lack of understanding of the
mechanics of music production using laptop computers has made me feel so out of
touch? And if so, is there a simple primer that might help me (as a layman)
understand what all these people with blue and green screens reflected on their
faces throughout their gigs are actually *doing* with their computers to make
those sounds I'm hearing?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Burkhard Stangl/Christof Kurzmann, "in einem jahr mit 13 monden," 'Schnee'
(Erstwhile) - absolutely exquisite listening, regardless of context...
- -
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