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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, October 31 2000 Volume 03 : Number 148
In this issue:
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Re: the truth of deconstruction
Re: the truth of deconstruction
Re: musicians on film
books on musique concrete
theex
Re: Evan Parker & Ghost in the Machine
Re: books on musique concrete
Re: the deconstruction of truth
Re: the deconstruction of truth
Re: books on musique concrete
nonesuch
Re: completism
Blind Idiot God
Re: Blind Idiot God
David Grubbs interview, Origins of Jazz article
Re: books on musique concrete
Odp: the deconstruction of truth
Re[2]: the deconstruction of truth
Tzadik
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:06:19 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: the truth of deconstruction
At 04:25 AM 10/30/00 GMT, Bill Ashline wrote:
>
>Spooky is certainly no Derrida, but he's
>no slouch either, and his interview with Manuel De Landa was rather
>compelling IMO.
Is this available online somewhere?
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like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:26:07 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: the truth of deconstruction
>From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
> >Spooky is certainly no Derrida, but he's
> >no slouch either, and his interview with Manuel De Landa was rather
> >compelling IMO.
>
>Is this available online somewhere?
It was originally here:
http://www.djspooky.com/articles/delanda.html
but I see the interview has been pulled, though the accompanying short book
review remains.
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:29:46 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: musicians on film
>From: Chris Westphal <cjw@cisco.com>
>Speaking of Sun Ra, anyone know what's up with Space is the Place? Is it
>out of print? Does anyone know where I can get a copy?
>
>By the way, A Joyful Noise is great.
I bought mine at Kim's Video in NYC. I think it's still available direct
from Rhapsody Films or perhaps Evidence. Try those if the chains can't get
it. Superb 70's prototype blaxploitation kitsch.
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:49:26 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: books on musique concrete
Are there any good books available on musique concrete? Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:44:37 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: theex
scott handley said:
Ah yes, a
closer Zorn connection: seems like one or two Ex
members have a side project on Tzadik.
kletka red? or is my brain, or my collection, missing something?
kg
np - multiphonic ensemble::cirque
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:32:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Evan Parker & Ghost in the Machine
- --- "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com> wrote:
> Seeking opinions on Evan Parker's recordings with a
> supposedly
> electroacoustic ensemble called Ghost in the
> Machine. How does this
> compare with his EA Ensemble recordings on ECM?
Most of the tracks are pretty interesting, with
slippery, chorus-soaked electric bass and
Euro-free-improv percusson (small sounds, big crashes,
scuttling, "playing the kit", ringing bell-like
attacks), and weird stuff from Clapper's amplified
toys. (I'd love to hear Clapper with Voice Crack!)
There's lots of acoustic piano in the Schlippenbach
vein (I identify a certain type of free playing with
him, but that might be incorrect thinking; it has to
do with the patterns and harmonies). An mbira even
surfaces on one piece. As Jon pointed out, it's
neither essential electro-acoustic, nor essential
Parker, but I'm glad I have it; the album is
remarkably diverse from one track to the next, maybe
more so than, even a Schlipenbach Trio record. I'd be
very interested to hear about the new GIM+EP (not on
leo), as well as any recording by the band alone.
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:57:13 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: books on musique concrete
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:49:26 GMT "Bill Ashline" wrote:
>
> Are there any good books available on musique concrete? Thanks.
I would guess that Pierre Schaeffer's TRAITE DES OBJETS MUSICAUX is a
good start.
The Bosseur brothers also wrote a very good book on electroacoustic music.
If I remember well, there is a good coverage of Studio d'Essais and GRM.
I don't think that there is a book entirely dedicated to Musique Concrete
(and for a good reason since it's true spirit did not survive the creation
of eletronic music in Koln in the early 50's).
Patrice.
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:58:07 GMT
From: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: the deconstruction of truth
>From: "Me" <frunobulax@mpinet.net>
>To: "thomas chatterton" <chatterton23@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: the truth of deconstruction
>Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:23:52 -0500
>
>hello, i'm relatively new to the list myself, and am interested in getting
>into some of bill laswell's material. i was wondering if you had any
>suggestions, seeing as how his discography is quite extensive.
Certainly, Laswell's discography is extremely daunting, with over 500
recordings to his credit! I will offer a few suggestions, mainly titles
where he is an active player (as opposed to production, deconstruction,
etc.) There's a good discography to be found at:
www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7093/disc.html
There is also a Laswell discussion group there that is just getting
underway. Here are my suggestions:
Painkiller (with Zorn & Mick Harris): Execution Ground
Massacre (with Fred Frith): Killing Time
Material: Memory Serves
Last Exit (with Sonny Sharrock, Ronald Shannon Jackson, Peter Brotzmann,
Laswell's 'dream band'): Headfirst Into The Flames
Laswell/Brotzmann: Lowlife
Arcana (Tony Williams' last session, with Pharoah Sanders, Buckethead,
Graham Haynes, Nicki Skopelitis): Arc Of The Testimony
Anton Fier: Dreamspeed
Paul Bowles: Baptism Of Solitude (great ambient sounds for Bowles' readings)
Praxis: Transmutation Live
Bill Laswell: Baselines
Tabla Beat Science: Tala Matrix (recent collaboration with Zakir Hussain,
the great Indian drummer)
I'm sure others on this list will disagree with some of my choices and may
want to add others!
Peace Out!
Tom
NP: John Zorn: Xu Feng
NR: Albert Camus L'Etranger
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:15:30 -0800
From: "Daryl Loomis" <DRL@valley-media.com>
Subject: Re: the deconstruction of truth
These are all great recordings (I'd maybe quibble with Baselines, but...). =
The only disc I would add would be Bill Laswell: "Deconstruction-The =
Celluloid Recordings." Not all of it is great, but it has selections of =
many various projects (both performing and producing) from Fab Five Freddy =
to "Lowlife" to Ginger Baker. I think it gives one a very good idea of =
the varied talents of Laswell. I honestly don't know if it is still =
available, but I would hope that it is.
Daryl Loomis
______________________________________________________
Tom writes:
Here are my suggestions:
Painkiller (with Zorn & Mick Harris): Execution Ground
Massacre (with Fred Frith): Killing Time
Material: Memory Serves
Last Exit (with Sonny Sharrock, Ronald Shannon Jackson, Peter Brotzmann,=20=
Laswell's 'dream band'): Headfirst Into The Flames
Laswell/Brotzmann: Lowlife
Arcana (Tony Williams' last session, with Pharoah Sanders, Buckethead,=20
Graham Haynes, Nicki Skopelitis): Arc Of The Testimony
Anton Fier: Dreamspeed
Paul Bowles: Baptism Of Solitude (great ambient sounds for Bowles' =
readings)
Praxis: Transmutation Live
Bill Laswell: Baselines
Tabla Beat Science: Tala Matrix (recent collaboration with Zakir =
Hussain,=20
the great Indian drummer)
______
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:54:21 +0100
From: "Sen" <sen@chello.be>
Subject: Re: books on musique concrete
Schaeffer's "Trait=E9..." comes to mind first, but there are some less
abstract books: here are some that I have, but they're all in French.
Pierre Schaeffer, "La musique concr=E8te", PUF coll Que sais-je,1967
A summary of the "Trait=E9 des objets musicaux". Deals with the history a=
nd
some intellectual aspects of musique concrete. It has been translated int=
o
German ("Musique Concrete", Klett Verlag, 1975)
Michel Chion, "La musique =E9lectroacoustique", PUF coll. Que sais-je, 19=
67
Small but dense book. 1st half: technical aspects; 2nd part, history of
electroacoustic works, year by year.
Michel Chion, "Pierre Henry", Fayard/ Sacem, 1980
Musical biography of Pierre Henry; Chion describes his feelings about Pie=
rre
Henry's recorded output.
Michel Chion & Guy Reibel, "Les musiques =E9lectroacoustiques", INA-GRM/
Edisud, 1976
Incredible 340 pages bible of electroacoustic documentation, good index,
good discography, huge amount of composers referenced.
Hugh Davies (ex-Stockhausen collaborator & ex-Gentle Fire!) has published=
an
apparently famous "R=E9pertoire international des musiques =E9lectroacous=
tiques"
in 1968. Is it in French or in English? If I knew it! Any info is welcome.
For what's strictly English, you'd better check old classical music revie=
ws
of the 50's- 60's. They often cover all type of "academic" electronic
musics.
Best,
Sen.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
To: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Cc: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>; <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Sent: lundi 30 octobre 2000 17:57
Subject: Re: books on musique concrete
>
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:49:26 GMT "Bill Ashline" wrote:
> >
> > Are there any good books available on musique concrete? Thanks.
>
> I would guess that Pierre Schaeffer's TRAITE DES OBJETS MUSICAUX is a
> good start.
>
> The Bosseur brothers also wrote a very good book on electroacoustic mus=
ic.
> If I remember well, there is a good coverage of Studio d'Essais and GRM.
>
> I don't think that there is a book entirely dedicated to Musique Concre=
te
> (and for a good reason since it's true spirit did not survive the creat=
ion
> of eletronic music in Koln in the early 50's).
>
> Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:32:40 +0000
From: dan hill <dan@state51.co.uk>
Subject: nonesuch
hi
'scuse the interruption, but i don't suppose anyone would have an
email address for nonesuch records would they?
thanks,
dan.
- --
- ---+ dan hill [state51]
---+ new reviews on motion [30.10.2000]:
< nobody | keith tippett | susumu yokota | cristian vogel | keiji
haino w/ greg cohen & joey baron | xen cuts | sun ra | quasimoto |
pimmon >
http://motion.state51.co.uk/ +---
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:45:20 +0100
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <fmartinelli@tin.it>
Subject: Re: completism
> I've got all Crispells except:
> Various Artists: The Texaco New York Jazz Festival Radio Series Live at
The
> Knitting Factory
this you have...virtually....
Francesco
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:01:05 -0500
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: Blind Idiot God
I think I may have asked this once before, but what the hell; maybe new
info has surfaced.
Does anyone know for certain whether or not Blind Idiot God is still
extant? I think there were rumors here a year or two back about a new
record, but....
Either way, does anyone know what the individual members might be up to?
Aside from Hawkins' couple of discs on Laswellian labels and Epstein's
brief tenure in SLAN (w/Zorn and Sharp), I've heard nothing, which
strikes me as unusual given these guys' clear, and large, talents.
Thanks,
Brian Olewnick
- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:51:57 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Blind Idiot God
>From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
>Does anyone know for certain whether or not Blind Idiot God is still
>extant? I think there were rumors here a year or two back about a new
>record, but....
>
>Either way, does anyone know what the individual members might be up to?
Brian, I think it was last year that Gallanter at DMG told me that BIG was
done and Hawkins was in a new group that was playing at the Cooler at that
time. I didn't catch the gig unfortunately. Unfortunately, I can't
remember the name of this newer configuration though I'm sure Bruce knows.
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:06:53 -0500
From: Perfect Sound Forever <perfect-sound@furious.com>
Subject: David Grubbs interview, Origins of Jazz article
Greetings,
In the latest issue of Perfect Sound Forever
<http://www.furious.com/perfect>, you'll find (among other things):
DAVID GRUBBS INTERVIEW
Interview- solo life after Gastr Del Sol and life in the Red Krayola
http://www.furious.com/perfect/davidgrubbs.html
JAZZ ORIGINS
Brian J. Wolle explores the beginnings, in the days of Bix Beiderbecke and
Jelly Roll Morton
http://www.furious.com/perfect/earlyjazz.html
We're always looking for good writers and/or ideas so let us know if you
have anything to share.
See you online,
Jason
Perfect Sound Forever
online music magazine
perfect-sound@furious.com
http://www.furious.com/perfect
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:55:52 -0500
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: books on musique concrete
At 08:57 AM 10/30/00 -0800, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
>On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:49:26 GMT "Bill Ashline" wrote:
>>
>> Are there any good books available on musique concrete? Thanks.
In addition to the ones mentioned, Roger Sutherland's book on New
Perspectives in Music has some relevant material. Although he doesn't
discuss any of the usual founding fathers (Henry & Schaeffer), he does
cover Russolo, Var=E8se, Stockhausen, Nono, and Parmegiani, as well as
several other fascinating topics. Even with a pub date of 1994, most of
the coverage stops in the 1970s, so don't look for much on the latest wave.
Also, Metamkine has published a series of conference papers on the
subject. I've gotten the first one, on aesthetics (published in a
bilingual edition), and although it's academic papers, some of them are
interesting. All of these are available occasionally from Anomalous
(http://www.anomalousrecords.com).
>I don't think that there is a book entirely dedicated to Musique Concrete
>(and for a good reason since it's true spirit did not survive the creation
>of eletronic music in Koln in the early 50's).
I've been thinking that the spirit of musique concr=E8te has survived quite
well into the 1990s and beyond after an admitted dry spell in the 1970s,
when only the INA-GRM managed to keep the flame burning. I take the spirit
to be the use of field recordings and other pre-existing sounds as the
source and origin for new pieces through electronic manipulations, creating
works of an abstract nature with the whole range of sound at its disposal.
The main difference between now and 1950 is that now we have computers,
then we had tape. Granted, much of this is semantics, but I feel the term
electroacoustic, which is used in most of the current literature, has been
usurped by new age composers like Robert Rich and Chris Meloche. But there
are a lot of composers now, from Bernhard G=FCnter and Francisco Lopez to
Hafler Trio and the empreintes digitales/metamkine line, who are very close
to the spirit of musique concr=E8te.
- --
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like nobody's watching.
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- -
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:50:31 +0100
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl>
Subject: Odp: the deconstruction of truth
From: thomas chatterton <chatterton23@hotmail.com>
> Arcana (Tony Williams' last session, with Pharoah Sanders, Buckethead,
> Graham Haynes, Nicki Skopelitis): Arc Of The Testimony
Wasn't the second arcana disc - the trio with laswell and bailey - the last
TW session?
Marcin Gokieli
- -
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:32:45 +0100
From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.de>
Subject: Re[2]: the deconstruction of truth
thomas> Painkiller (with Zorn & Mick Harris): Execution Ground
thomas> Massacre (with Fred Frith): Killing Time
thomas> Material: Memory Serves
thomas> Last Exit (with Sonny Sharrock, Ronald Shannon Jackson, Peter Brotzmann,
thomas> Laswell's 'dream band'): Headfirst Into The Flames
thomas> Laswell/Brotzmann: Lowlife
thomas> Arcana (Tony Williams' last session, with Pharoah Sanders, Buckethead,
thomas> Graham Haynes, Nicki Skopelitis): Arc Of The Testimony
thomas> Anton Fier: Dreamspeed
thomas> Paul Bowles: Baptism Of Solitude (great ambient sounds for Bowles' readings)
thomas> Praxis: Transmutation Live
thomas> Bill Laswell: Baselines
thomas> Tabla Beat Science: Tala Matrix (recent collaboration with Zakir Hussain,
thomas> the great Indian drummer)
thomas> I'm sure others on this list will disagree with some of my choices and may
thomas> want to add others!
Good choice, but IMO these are missing:
Bill Laswell: APC Tracks, Vol. 1 and Vol. 2
Last Exit: K÷ln
Material: Seven Souls
Massace: Killing Time (Frith, Laswell and Hayward, improvised session
after they had been the group of Percy Howard, Meridem)
Tim
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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:06:05 PST
From: "serge dautricourt" <sergedautricourt@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tzadik
hello,
Does anybody know what Tzadik means in Hebrew?
How about the transaltion of a few Masada songs?
thanks,
Serge
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