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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #142
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, October 26 2000 Volume 03 : Number 142
In this issue:
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Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
Hermann
Hermann
Re: Hermann/The thing/Tarkovsky/Karetnikov
Re: zorn/eye box set
bart/general CD question
Re: general CD question
Look at the Riot I've caused.
Re: bart/general CD question
Re: Hermann/The thing/Tarkovsky/Karetnikov
Re: general CD question
riot, indeed
Re: Look at the Riot I've caused/Canadian politics
Re: Look at the Riot I've caused/Canadian politics
the truth of deconstruction
Re: Look at the Riot I've caused/Canadian politics
Renaud Garcia-Fons(No Zorn)
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 05:57:14 +0200
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <fmartinelli@tin.it>
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
> the subject also gives a good idea what the topic is
> about.
This demonstrates, if needed, that you are locked in a self-centered frame
of reference. I never heard of Harry Browne, from what I know it might have
been a book, a movie, a record, and only after reading the message I
realized that you are imposing your interest in american politics on the
whole list. I hope Ken will start soon discussing Canadian politics, that
might be at least something you do not hear about on the news, and I am
willing to contribute essays on the political strength of Mr. Berlusconi who
at least earned his life as a cocktail piano player for a while.
Francesco
- -
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:03:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: aaron chua <aaronchua22@yahoo.com>
Subject: Hermann
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: aaron chua <aaronchua22@yahoo.com>
Subject: Hermann
I forgot to include the website listed at the end of
the Hermann article: http://hometown.aol.com/MusBuff/page2.htm
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:18:17 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Hermann/The thing/Tarkovsky/Karetnikov
aaron chua wrote:
>
> One question I have is that the article claims the
> soundtrack for The Thing was written by Dimitri
> Tiomkin.
> wasn't it Morricone?
The movie with the Morricone soundtrack (one of my favorites, BTW) was a remake.
Tiomkin did the music for the 1951 version.
> On Soundtracks generally a friend of mine is
> absolutely crazy about the soundr\track to Tarkovsky's
> Andrey Rublyov. Does anyone know who the composer is?
> Bit's of it almost sound like tape manipulation.(or
> maybe just badly mangled master tapes?)
Vyacheslav Ovchinnikov, according to IMDB. Interestingly enough, he's also
listed as having worked uncredited on _Solaris_, which is credited to Artemiev.
Anybody deconstructed who did what on that?
- --
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"The trouble with writing stirring manifestos is that one has
to read them years later and ponder where things went wrong."
-- Jaxon
np:
nr: Miles Harvey, _The Island of Lost Maps_
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:18:34 -0400
From: Ian Farrell <ifarrell@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: zorn/eye box set
I gotta defend something as cool that box set.
As a collector, book artist, cartoonist and designer, I can appreciate cool
objects that are self-indulgent, imaginative and unique, as long as it
relates to the content. A CD design concept like that could only come out of
a scene which puts the emphasis on experimentation before status quo,
extreme forms of expression before middle-of-the-road presentation, and
doesn't always put commercial or monetary success ahead of artistic vision.
Maybe it'd make more sense if one thinks about what the most appropriate
form would be would be if one could design anything for the set of a cubist
musical, the architecture for a harmolodics concert hall, or the structure
of a pop-up book about abstract expressionism.
The question needs to be asked about the designer's intent. Does one want to
make a statement about the content or just slap it in the most familiar and
basic presentation as possible just to get it out there to as many people as
possible? Does one want to make a monument to the subject within the object
or just a box to pass along the content?
I think that this 100 CD Box Set is a monument to two great musicians who
deserve an extreme, intricate and absurd form of presentation. I mean, one
second of music on one CD and then another 99 CDs collected on a spindle is
pretty absurd, funny, intense, unique... just like their music. And it will
probably only appeal to a few people, but that doesnt mean it is
"disgusting" or a "waste".
> Subject: Re: zorn/eye 100 CD box set
>
> Am I the only one to find such project disgusting? I mean, wasting 100 CD,
> some with barely a few minutes of music. I always thought this was the
> kind of project that is fun to think about during a heavy drinking night,
> but in the morning, trying to recover from the hangover, you would feel
> embarrassed to even have thought of doing such thing...
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:43:59 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: bart/general CD question
well, thanks for the kind words about Bart, Patrice and Scott. glad you guys=
=20
are digging it. a couple of things:
<<How many more like that Jon has in his closet?>>
oh, I've got at least a few, starting with the Otomo/Voice Crack release out=
=20
in a few weeks. =20
one interesting note about Bart, it was just recorded in August. I didn't pu=
t=20
this in the press release, because it's a little too much of a subjective=20
opinion, but I think that Bart comes the closest of any CD so far to=20
documenting what the MIMEO sounds like now, even though it's only 2 of the 1=
2=20
members. Lehn is the closest thing the band has to a star soloist, and=20
Schmickler's a very strong presence also. the recent double CD release on=20
Grob is pretty good, but it was recorded in late '98.=20
then Scott said:
<<NP: Muller/Le Quan - VOYELLE LIQUIDE (We DEMAND all
four hours! We DEMAND the complete VOYELLE sessions!)>>
I realize you're joking, but it actually brings up a very interesting point=20
for me, whether people tend to prefer a single 60-70 minute CD, or a double=20
CD with 100 minutes priced at 1 1/2 times that of a single disc (obviously,=20
only if there's enough strong material to warrant this, not with every=20
release). my background is that of a fan (and one who's always been a bit of=
=20
a sucker for inexpensive double CDs packaged in one jewel box), so it=20
surprised me to learn that most musicians and writers tend to prefer single=20
CDs, mostly because they're so swamped with discs, I think.=20
I would have actually preferred to release La Voyelle Liquide as a 2 CD set=20
around 100 minutes, because there was at least that much great material, and=
=20
because I feel like CDs which are 50-55 minutes tend to be more listenable=20
than ones that are 70-plus, but I was outvoted by G=FCnter and Ninh. anyway,=
=20
I'm curious to hear what people think about this.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:17:17 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: general CD question
At 01:43 AM 10/26/00 EDT, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
>I realize you're joking, but it actually brings up a very interesting point
>for me, whether people tend to prefer a single 60-70 minute CD, or a double
>CD with 100 minutes priced at 1 1/2 times that of a single disc
If the material is strong, it should be released regardless of the time.
If you had 100 minutes, I'd have preferred two cds. If you had only 20
*strong* minutes (like Plexure), that works too. But I'll admit that the
double Tom & Gerry was the first Erstwhile cd I bought, and it was at least
partially because it was a mid-priced double.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 04:36:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Look at the Riot I've caused.
Relax folks. I live in the U.S. and I'm just sick
of our Governments tactics.
*why should the Government be able to say what I
can and can not do with my own body.
*why should I have 47% of my earnings extorted
from me for the price of of going to work, directly
benefiting other people. (at what point does it
become slavery? or outright socialism)
*why should social security be deducted from my
pay, when the money goes straight from my check in to
the hand of people I don't even care to know. I could
use that money to put in a bank with my name on the
account, and when I retire, it's there! As it stands
now, the system will be bankrupt in the next few
years.
I really could go on and on. We've got one party
masquerading as two. How can you help but to take
some sort of action! 47% of my pay for Christ sake!
I do not recognize the right to seize my money for any
organization or single man.
=====
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:24:52 -0400
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: bart/general CD question
>but I was outvoted by Gⁿnter and Ninh.
Gee Jon you'll never go far in the record industry if you let the talent make any decisions.
LT
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:19:50 -0500
From: Moudry <Moudry@uab.edu>
Subject: Re: Hermann/The thing/Tarkovsky/Karetnikov
At 20:51 25-10-00 -0700, Aaron wrote:
>Hi folks,
><snip!>
>One question I have is that the article claims the
>soundtrack for The Thing was written by Dimitri
>Tiomkin.
>wasn't it Morricone?
<snip!>
The first (and by far superior) version of The Thing : from another world
did have the Tiomkin sound track; the horrible Carpenter remake may well
have a Morricone soundtrack (which would be the only thing that could make
me want to see it).
Hope this helps.
Saturnally,
Joe Moudry
Office of Academic Computing & Technology
School of Education, The University of Alabama @ Birmingham
Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz):
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- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:07:23 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: general CD question
"Caleb T. Deupree" wrote:
>
> If the material is strong, it should be released regardless of the time.
> If you had 100 minutes, I'd have preferred two cds. If you had only 20
> *strong* minutes (like Plexure), that works too.
As far as I can tell, the way it works is, you release the 20 minutes & hang
onto the rest for 5 years so you can bring out the "special extended version
with 40 unreleased minutes!" & make everybody buy it again.
- --
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"The trouble with writing stirring manifestos is that one has
to read them years later and ponder where things went wrong."
-- Jaxon
np: nothing
nr: Charles Williams, _The Greater Trumps_
- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:09:17 +0100
From: simon hopkins <simon@state51.co.uk>
Subject: riot, indeed
Theo
"www.harrybrowne.org
Vote libertarian...smaller government is better government..."
I *was* going to say in response to this that while all serious
discussion of music necessarily involved politics (ethics being the
aesthetics of the future and all that), nonetheless party-political
spam had no place here, but then I read this...
"*why should the Government be able to say what I
can and can not do with my own body.
*why should I have 47% of my earnings extorted
from me for the price of of going to work, directly
benefiting other people. (at what point does it
become slavery? or outright socialism)
*why should social security be deducted from my
pay, when the money goes straight from my check in to
the hand of people I don't even care to know. I could
use that money to put in a bank with my name on the
account, and when I retire, it's there! As it stands
now, the system will be bankrupt in the next few
years."
...and noted that this was posted under the smug-schoolboy title
"Look at the Riot I've caused" and realized that sharing even
*virtual* space with a right-wing fuck-knuckle like you made me feel
like I needed a shower. So I'll be unsubscribing.
Are you sure you didn't mean to subscribe to the Ted Nugent list?
Simon
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:30:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Look at the Riot I've caused/Canadian politics
Day 3 of the Canadian campaign:
Prime Minister Jean Chretien who most commentators
figure makes as little sense in French and English is
promising more of the same from his Liberals, which
have been Canada's "natural governing party" for most
of this century. In other words he promises to cut
taxes and preserve the social service net.
Canadian Alliance leader Stockwell Day is trying for
votes in the Ontario heartland, hoping that his tax
cutting, get tough on crime, don't work on Sunday
(he's doesn't as an evangelical Christian) message
will sell elsewhere than right wing Alberta. However
he's already misjudged the flow of one lake in trying
to illuminate the Canada-US "brain drain".
Probably on the ropes, PC leader Joe Clark even turned
to campaign help from former leader Brian Mulroney.
That ex-PM is universally disliked, most especially
for such measures as the goods and services tax (GST)
and the North American Free Trade Agreement, the later
of which has been hurting local Canadian industries.
Bloc Quebecois Gilles Duceppe has launched his party's
campaign with TV ads that attack Jean Chretien and
downplay the party's independence raison-d'etre
NDP leader Alexa McDonough is trying to revive her
party's sagging fortunes by pledging to be front and
centre for medicare, health care and most other
socialist solutions of the past.
(Unlike Italian politicians not one has been known to
play the piano)
Ken Waxman
- --- Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Relax folks. I live in the U.S. and I'm just
> sick
> of our Governments tactics.
>
> *why should the Government be able to say what I
> can and can not do with my own body.
> *why should I have 47% of my earnings extorted
> from me for the price of of going to work, directly
> benefiting other people. (at what point does it
> become slavery? or outright socialism)
> *why should social security be deducted from my
> pay, when the money goes straight from my check in
> to
> the hand of people I don't even care to know. I
> could
> use that money to put in a bank with my name on the
> account, and when I retire, it's there! As it
> stands
> now, the system will be bankrupt in the next few
> years.
>
> I really could go on and on. We've got one
> party
> masquerading as two. How can you help but to take
> some sort of action! 47% of my pay for Christ sake!
>
> I do not recognize the right to seize my money for
> any
> organization or single man.
>
> =====
> -That which is Theodorus "Good bye sober day,
> hello milky
>
way..."www.freeyellow.com/members7/theodorus/index.html
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:58:03 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Look at the Riot I've caused/Canadian politics
I think perhaps the most pertinent statement on politics on this list
would be Zorn's well-known comment to Madeline Albright.
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:01:23 EDT
From: AntCol8@aol.com
Subject: the truth of deconstruction
Zorn listers
A public service announcement
The Truths of Deconstruction: A Zorn-curated festival at Tonic (107 Norfolk
St. NY 212-358-7501 - but you know that) somehow connected to the work of
Jacques Derrida (Mr. Deconstrution to you) these next three nights
(Thursday-Zorn & Cobra, Friday -Anthony Coleman's Blot trio w/ Ted Reichman,
Doug Wieselman & Laura Cromwell, Sat.-Elliot Sharp, Sun.-Zeena Parkins (there
are also a couple of other events in this mini-festival that I don't know
about-call for info).
Now you know
AC
- -
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:07:49 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Look at the Riot I've caused/Canadian politics
>From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
>I think perhaps the most pertinent statement on politics on this list
>would be Zorn's well-known comment to Madeline Albright.
What was that comment? I'd love to hear it.
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:32:01 CEST
From: "Marius Ergo" <mariusergo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Renaud Garcia-Fons(No Zorn)
I've recently listened a lot to french bassist Renaud Garcia-Fons' album
Alborea, and I think this album is one of the greatest albums I own(At least
right now. Next week, who knows?). What I'm wondering is: Does anyone know
about other places where he might have added his delicious double bass-tone
to the soundscape? I have heard his other solo album LΦgendes, but didn't
really think much of it, except that maybe it was a little too
overrepresented in the bass-wankerish department(Maybe Garcia-Fons has a
little TOO prodigeous technique). Anyway, other things he's played on? Other
people he's played with? ANYONE???!!! I'M DESPERATE!!!! no really, I'm
not..
I'm just curious.
- - Marius
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