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Zorn List Digest      Wednesday, October 25 2000      Volume 03 : Number 141



In this issue:
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       Odp: favourite soundtracks-porn
       Odp: favourite soundtracks
       Odp: favourite soundtracks
       Re: Odp: favourite soundtracks-porn
       Zorn, porn, and soundtracks (Was RE: favourite soundtracks-porn)
       Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
       Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
       Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
       Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
       Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
       Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
       Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
       Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
       Bailey/Bennink Post Improvisation
       Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
       Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
       Hell If I Know
       Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
       Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...
       RE: Zorn, porn, and soundtracks (Was RE: favourite soundtracks-porn)
       Crispell
       Hermann/The thing/Tarkovsky/Karetnikov

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:11:00 +0200
From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: favourite soundtracks-porn

- ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna -----
Od: "Ken Waxman" <[e-mail]>
Do: "dekater" <[e-mail]>; "zornlist"
<[e-mail]>
Wyslano: 25 pazdziernika 2000 16:19
Temat: Re: favourite soundtracks-porn


| Hey guys:
|
| Granted this is a music list, but if you figure the
| *music* is the best part of porn, I think you're
| missing an important visual element.
|
| Ken Waxman


Any recommendations ???

Jerzy



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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:13:14 +0200
From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: favourite soundtracks

|
| I think that's Peter Thomas, who had a renaissance with the Easy
| Listening hype. Probably his most famous composition is the one for
| sci-fi serial "Space Patrol Orion". Besides this he has dozens of film
| scores under his belt (mainly for B- and C-movies) ranging from
| reactionary soft-porn,

Soft-porn in DDR. You must be joking :))


Jerzy



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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:19:36 +0200
From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: favourite soundtracks

- ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna -----
Od: "Franz Fuchs" <[e-mail]>
Do: "Zornowska lista" <[e-mail]>
Wyslano: 25 pazdziernika 2000 18:20
Temat: RE: favourite soundtracks


| > DDR movies based on Karol May's books : "Winnetou" "Schatz in
| > die Silbersee"
| > "Chingachgook Die Grosse Schlange" and so on, but I couldn't
| > recall the name
| > of the composer.
|
| I think that's Peter Thomas

I've just checked out in IMDB. Scores were made, of course /how can I forget
:))/ by Martin Boettcher.


Howgh !!

Jerzy


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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:26:42 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Odp: favourite soundtracks-porn

Anything by Rinse Dream aka Stephen Sayadian. Odd art porn. (think of men
dressed as rats and pencils in a performance art environment)

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:49:16 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Zorn, porn, and soundtracks (Was RE: favourite soundtracks-porn)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Jerzy
> Matysiakiewicz
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:11 AM

> Od: "Ken Waxman" <[e-mail]>
> | Granted this is a music list, but if you figure the
> | *music* is the best part of porn, I think you're
> | missing an important visual element.

> Any recommendations ???

Now this ties in to a message I was going to send (in response to the query
about "The Golden Boat" earlier):

I've asked this question from the list before, but I'll ask again. I've
always been curious about watching Maria Beatty's "The Black Glove," but it
looks like I'd have to *buy* the darn video in order to actually watch it.
Despite (or maybe because of) the fact that it's a flick I shouldn't see
with Granny, is it actually worth owning?

Later,
Ben

p.s. Granted, I don't own anything from the genre, but it's as good an
excuse as any to own something.

http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406


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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:05:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Theo Klaase <[e-mail]>
Subject: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...

www.harrybrowne.org

Vote libertarian...smaller government is better government...

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:08:18 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...

On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:05:56 -0700 (PDT)  Theo Klaase wrote:
>
>
> www.harrybrowne.org
>
> Vote libertarian...smaller government is better government...

Hum... I thought that Bush was Republican.

    Patrice.


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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:32:01 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...

On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 12:05:56PM -0700, Theo Klaase wrote:
>
> www.harrybrowne.org
>
> Vote libertarian...smaller government is better government...

I doubt that a candidate who can't inspire his followers to keep
irrelevant political spam out of musical mailing lists can inspire
government to keep out of anything. If I were considering voting for
Browne in the first place, this act would have convinced me not to.

- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| [e-mail]           http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:39:55 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...

Blame the candidate for a third party using e-mail...come on...Why not go to
the Browne Web site and decide for yourself...

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:48:59 +0200
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...

i am on several lists and the american elections are really becoming a pain
in the ass. Is anybody in the usa thinking that there's a rest of the world
out there not caring for this shit? Would you mind keep your messages even
remotely on topic?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
Cc: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...


> Blame the candidate for a third party using e-mail...come on...Why not go
to
> the Browne Web site and decide for yourself...
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:07:26 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...

On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 03:39:55PM -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
> Blame the candidate for a third party using e-mail...come on...Why not go to
> the Browne Web site and decide for yourself...

The quality of a leader can be, in part, determined by the actions on
his behalf of his followers. If not, he's not a leader.

I have been to the Web site. It's quite amusing.

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:51:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...

> > Vote libertarian...smaller government is better
> government...

Goddam it, I'll build my OWN road!

> Hum... I thought that Bush was Republican.
>
>     Patrice.

We really do need a second party in this country.

- ----s, green

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:17:57 -0400
From: "Me" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Francesco Martinelli <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
Cc: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...


> i am on several lists and the american elections are really becoming a
pain
> in the ass. Is anybody in the usa thinking that there's a rest of the
world
> out there not caring for this shit? Would you mind keep your messages even
> remotely on topic?
>

it was made aware in the subject heading of the email that there was no zorn
content.   further, the subject also gives a good idea what the topic is
about.  I myself, (though living in the USA, so this may happen to be a
tinge biased) am happy to see others interested in the electoral process.
its a treat to see that people besides myself taking the upcoming election
remotely seriously.   i could care less who everyone is voting for, just as
long as they have a good reason for it (hopefully the ISSUES come into
play).  i do not know how it is elsewhere, but Tipper Gore would sh*t
herself if she saw some of the zorn artwork.  Where is Frank Zappa when we
need him the most?

dave


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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:07:26 -0400
From: David Keffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bailey/Bennink Post Improvisation

Hello Zorn-listers,

A while back I requested a review of the Bailey/Bennink Post Improvisation
cds on Incus and I got several nice replies.  Well, I ended up picking up
both volumes and have listened many times.  Volume 2 features Bailey
recording at home and then sending the tape to Bennink to add percussion.
Volume 1 is the reverse, with Bennink recording his contribution first.
Well, I would like to add my thoughts to the reviews posted earlier.

I have heard several members of this list voice the opinion that they
preferred solo Bailey to Bailey in improvisational ensembles.  (I too have
voiced this opinion.)  Well, what's nice about Volume 2 of the
Bailey/Bennink release is that Bailey is playing solo.  The Bennink is
added later, and, in contrast to what I think might happen in a real-time
collaboration, the playing of Bennink does not (cannot) effect the playing
of Bailey (since the Bailey track is already laid down).  Naturally, the
playing of Bailey does effect Bennink.  So, it seems that this format
provides the best of both worlds.  Bailey in an ensemble but Bailey
uninfluenced by the ensemble.  (Of course, if you think the purpose of the
ensemble is for all the musicians to modify their playing to accomodate the
other musicians in the ensemble, then this won't be your cup of tea.)

Anyway, the real best thing about Volume 2 is that it features Bailey
walking around his house, talking to himself.  Apparently Bennink likes
birds and, for the first five tracks, Bailey wanders outside, then inside
to a window, trying to find a spot where he can play along to the bird
chirping outside his window.  Like all of Bailey's spoken word with guitar
pieces, it's quietly comical.  So nice to hear Bailey remarking that the
fucking bird won't sing right.

On a related note, I am wondering about other releases that feature Bailey
speaking to the accompaniment of his guitar.

These are the ones I know of:

2000, Post Improvisation Vols 1 & 2 (Bailey/Bennink) INCUS 34 & 35
1997, Playbacks (Bailey et al.), Bingo BIN 004
1997, Root (Bailey/Moore) Lo Recordings LCD11
1995, Tout for tea! (Bailey/Chadbourne) Rectangle L 10"
1994, New Year messages (Bailey), Table of the Elements 7"
1993, II (of) XXVIII (Bailey), Rectangle BA 7"
1987, Drop me off at 96th (Bailey), scatter 02:CD
1986, Darn it! (Bailey), american clave AMCL 1018
1977, Domestic & public pieces (Bailey), Emanem 4001
1973, Incus taps (Bailey), organ of Corti 10
1971, Fairly early with postscripts (Bailey), Emanem 4027

(All are uniquely great except "Root" and "Tout for tea!".  Too many are
good to say which is best.)

Are there others?

Thanks.

David K.


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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:37:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...

As I've threatened on another list, if you Yanks keep
this up, I'll be forced to retaliate with a minute
dissertation on the Canadian election. (Yup we're
going to the polls too. Bet most of you south of the
49th didn't know, couldn't name one [living] Canadian
politico and are proud that you don't care).

Ken Waxman


- --- Francesco Martinelli <[e-mail]> wrote:
> i am on several lists and the american elections are
> really becoming a pain
> in the ass. Is anybody in the usa thinking that
> there's a rest of the world
> out there not caring for this shit? Would you mind
> keep your messages even
> remotely on topic?


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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:29:06 +0000
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...

on 10/25/00 7:48 PM, Francesco Martinelli at [e-mail] wrote:

> i am on several lists and the american elections are really becoming a pain
> in the ass. Is anybody in the usa thinking that there's a rest of the world
> out there not caring for this shit? Would you mind keep your messages even
> remotely on topic?

There also happen to be many US residents who do not care for this shit.

hi Francesco,
R


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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:41:35 -0700
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hell If I Know

"Where is Frank Zappa when we need him the most?"


Three guesses...........




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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:50:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...

I could (re)name a mountain.  ;)

- --- Ken Waxman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Bet most of you south of the
> 49th didn't know, couldn't name one [living]
> Canadian
> politico and are proud that you don't care).
>
> Ken Waxman


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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:32:45 -0400
From: "Me" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...

Canadian?   What's a Canadian?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
To: Francesco Martinelli <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>;
<[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
Cc: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Harry Browne/Libertarian candidate - no Zorn content...


> As I've threatened on another list, if you Yanks keep
> this up, I'll be forced to retaliate with a minute
> dissertation on the Canadian election. (Yup we're
> going to the polls too. Bet most of you south of the
> 49th didn't know, couldn't name one [living] Canadian
> politico and are proud that you don't care).
>
> Ken Waxman
>
>
> --- Francesco Martinelli <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > i am on several lists and the american elections are
> > really becoming a pain
> > in the ass. Is anybody in the usa thinking that
> > there's a rest of the world
> > out there not caring for this shit? Would you mind
> > keep your messages even
> > remotely on topic?
>
>
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>
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:58:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: RE: Zorn, porn, and soundtracks (Was RE: favourite soundtracks-porn)

At 11:49 25/10/00 -0700, <[e-mail]> courageously wrote:
>I've asked this question from the list before, but I'll ask again. I've
>always been curious about watching Maria Beatty's "The Black Glove," but it
>looks like I'd have to *buy* the darn video in order to actually watch it.
>Despite (or maybe because of) the fact that it's a flick I shouldn't see
>with Granny, is it actually worth owning?

Asking the same question to the same list might bring you the answer you
already have. You have nice stills of the film on the bleuproductions
website, clips taken from the film, the credentials of maria beatty as a
filmmaker, interviews, papers and articles disseminated all over the internet.
The black glove is very different from the other films of maria beatty (I
would say stay away from more recent, more commercial releases) for
unfolding in a very dreamy, solipsistic atmosphere. I consider it essential
to the understanding of masochism and a very fine piece.
It's perhaps not graphic in the way you would expect, and you might find the
film short (30 minutes) but this makes me only ponder at what you'd be
expecting.

On a related note, this is a clear example where the visuals are certainly
more interesting than the soundtrack (even if zorn's treatment serves very
well the atmosphere of the film).

As far as having to buy it, it is indeed unlikely it will still be screened
in festivals, as the film is from 1996, but I am almost sure you can find it
(for rent) in alternative sexuality boutiques. If you don't live in ny or
any other big city, yes, probably you'll have to order it.




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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 05:51:53 +0200
From: "Francesco Martinelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Crispell

> hi Francesco,

hi Rick,
the Crispell/Maltese duo on Black Sain is out, have you seen it?
Francesco


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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:51:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: aaron chua <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hermann/The thing/Tarkovsky/Karetnikov

Hi folks,
 A little late w/ the hermann/soundtrack thread but...
There was a recent article on Hermann and the OST of
Journey to the Centre of the Earth in FIlm Score
Monthly(April/MAy)(the reason i picked it up)
I can't say I know much about Hermann; only owning
Taxidriver and the recent comp conducted by Salonen
but for what it's worth the ten scores recommended by
Roger HAll:
The day the Earth Stood Still
On Dangerous Ground
The Snows of Kilimanjaro
Beneath the 12 Mile Reef
Garden of Evil
The Egyptian
The trouble w/ Harry
The 7th Voyage of Sinbad
Vertigo ( which he considers Hermann's best Hitchcock
Soundtrack)
North By Northwest
Plus a mention of ther Twilight Zone elsewhere on the
page

One question I have is that the article claims  the
soundtrack for The Thing was written by Dimitri
Tiomkin.
wasn't it Morricone?

On Soundtracks generally a friend of mine is
absolutely crazy about the soundr\track to Tarkovsky's
Andrey Rublyov. Does anyone know who the composer is?
Bit's of it almost sound like tape manipulation.(or
maybe just badly mangled master tapes?)

also does anyone know anything about the Russian
composer Karetnikov? Not a soundtrack composer to my
knowledge .I found a Cd of his on sale but still a
little price-y. I think it was mainly chamber pieces.

regards,
aaron

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