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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #138
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, October 24 2000 Volume 03 : Number 138
In this issue:
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Re: favourite soundtracks
Re: Favourite Soundtracks
Re: Streamline records
Re: review request and the "whole sound" genre
Re: Favourite Soundtracks
re: favourite soundtracks
re: favourite soundtracks
Re: favourite soundtracks
KILL ME (now)
Re: Odp: musicians on film
more soundtracks
Re: completism
Twin Peaks/Badalamenti soundtracks
Ultima Vez / Marc Ribot
Re: Internet Radio
Noise
digital safecrackers
Re: Re: Internet Radio
completism/musicians on film/jarmusch/ruiz
Re: completism/musicians on film/jarmusch/ruiz
Odp: favourite soundtracks
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:45:23 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks
> 1. Who plays the sax stuff for Bill Pullman in "Lost Highway"?
Bob Sheppard (don't know who this is, just taking it right out of the cd
booklet).
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:00:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Nick=20Goryl?= <ngoryl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Favourite Soundtracks
"Passion" by Peter Gabriel (sountrack for The Last
Temptation of Christ). Not only is it my favourite
soundtrack, it is my all-time favourite album. It's 65
minutes of some of the most moving music I've ever
heard. A true 'album', not merely a collection of
songs.
~Nick.
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:45:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: Streamline records
On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, David Keffer wrote:
> A different opinion on the Streamline releases. I think that the Mimir
> release borders on terrible. Around about 1986, when Edward Ka-Spel was in
> "The Tear Garden" with Cevin Key of Skinny Puppy, I picked up the Tear
> Garden eponymous ep and the first full length album. Then 12 years later I
> heard Ka-Spel's Mimir lp, "Mimyriad" and I said to myself, "This is the
> same thing, only now it's 1998 and, although I thought it was pretty cool
> in 1986, it sounds embarrassingly dated now."
it really all depends on which mimir album
you are referring to. their very first outing
(on flabbergast) wasn't anything much to
write home about, but i did enjoy it.
however, mimiriyad is absolutely astounding
with a stellar lineup including jim o'rourke.
if i'm not mistaken, mimir is actually
christoph heemann's gig. then again, i
also enjoy all the tear garden releases,
so your mileage may vary... ;)
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:58:34 -0400
From: "Jesse Kudler" <jkudler@mail.wesleyan.edu>
Subject: Re: review request and the "whole sound" genre
I'll second that review request; the concept sounds very intriguing.
I saw Hrvatski's Forced Exposure review, too. Pretty typical for him in its
semi-clever, semi-useless obscurantism. I think what he meant with the
"whole sound" reference was music apart from an instrumentalist or composer
paradigm and more into the realm of the texture/feel of actual sound. I.E.
not a guy playing guitar but the actual physical sensation of such. He
seemed to be implying (to me anyway), in practical terms, that the feedback
would be thick and heavy
Did that make sense? I'm really tired right now.
- -Jesse
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "David Keffer" <keffer@planetc.com>
To: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:01 AM
Subject: review request and the "whole sound" genre
>
> Hello,
>
> When somebody on the list hears the new Derek Bailey record, "String
> Theory" on Paratactile, can you post a review? Thanks. There is an arty
> blurb about it posted on the Forced Exposure site that I does not give me
a
> clear picture of what is going on.
>
> In fact this blurb refers to something called the "whole sound", as if it
> were a sub-genre of experimental music. Anybody hip to the definition of
> "whole sound" music?
>
> David "gotta keep up with the kids' lingo" K.
>
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:58:21 EDT
From: Jeffcalt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Favourite Soundtracks
ngoryl@yahoo.com writes:
> "Passion" by Peter Gabriel (sountrack for The Last
> Temptation of Christ). Not only is it my favourite
> soundtrack, it is my all-time favourite album. It's 65
> minutes of some of the most moving music I've ever
> heard. A true 'album', not merely a collection of
> songs.
One of my favorites as well. "With This Love" is one of the most moving
pieces I've ever heard--the oboe is chilling. I wish Gabriel would revisited
this type of composition.
jeff
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:59:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: re: favourite soundtracks
- - beverly hills cop (just kidding)
- - pee-wee's big adventure (i can't tell if i'm kidding)
- - the soundtrack to hitchcock's 'the saboteur', particularly the scene on
the statue of liberty ;)
- - stop making sense (no kidding around here; but it might not count).
- - 70's porn (the music is the best part)
- - the george martin portion of 'yellow submarine' (not kidding)
- - scene transition music from sitcoms and other u.s. tv shows from the
1980's (magnum p.i., a-team, riptide, the fall guy, etc.).
half in jest,
whit
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:00:45 -0500
From: Craig Rath <fripp@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject: re: favourite soundtracks
At 12:59 AM 10/24/00 -0500, you wrote:
>
>- scene transition music from sitcoms and other u.s. tv shows from the
> 1980's (magnum p.i., a-team, riptide, the fall guy, etc.).
Speaking of which, am I the only one who wishes they would put out a
compilation of the best incidental music from CHiPs? From the early
seasons, anyway - really great cheesy funk/disco stuff.
Craig M. Rath
H: fripp@mn.mediaone.net
W: rathc@questarweb.com
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:15:32 -0500
From: Craig Rath <fripp@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks
At 11:00 PM 10/23/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> > Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (Angelo Badalamenti)
>
>Hated the 'Twin Peaks' movie itself, though, and this as a seriously sick
>fan of the TV series, with seriously worn VHS tapes, books, trading cards
>and coffee mug to show for it.
The first time I saw the movie I disliked it as well, but after having read
the original unedited script and seeing it a couple more times, it makes a
lot more sense and at times is one of the best things Lynch has ever done.
I think the problem with it is that for about 95% of the time, it lacks the
humor that the series had to cut the tension. Without that, it's just
really, really dark. I think a lot of that humor was dropped when the
decision to shorten the movie was made, thus eliminating about half the
cast or more.
Now I just have to wait for them to finally put it and the series out on
DVD. I have the VHS versions of both, but am hoping for some serious
extras on the DVD versions (such as the Log-Lady intros which accompanied
the series during its Bravo runs, and hopefully some of the deleted footage
from the movie - there are rumors of up to another 1.5 hours which was cut
out).
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:57:32 CEST
From: "Marius Ergo" <mariusergo@hotmail.com>
Subject: KILL ME (now)
I just found out that I have a study trip with my school to Praque which
misses the masada gig by a couple of days.
I really do want to die....
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:09:40 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Odp: musicians on film
>From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl>
>
>Hm, maybe you have recorde it? If so we could arrange a trade...
>
> > Nobody mentioned the outstanding STEP ACROSS THE BORDER (1989) by
>Nicolas
> > Humbert featuring Fred Frith with contributions by Zorn, Cora, Lindsay,
>Iva
> > Bittova, Rene Lussier and many others. This weekend a small German TV
> > station was broadcasting this movie at 2 in the morning - the time
> > avantgarde fans are most active.
> >
I have no opportunity to copy videos - but it┤s still in print and can be
purchased (don┤t ask where)...
Andreas
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:26:36 -0400
From: "Bob Kowalski" <BKowalski@genetics.com>
Subject: more soundtracks
Errol Morris's: Fast Cheap & Outta Control (Caleb Sampson)
Nenette & Bonnie (Tindersticks)
Six Days & Six Nights (Michael Nyman)
City of Lost Children (Angelo Badalamenti w/ Marriane Faithful)
Bob
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:30:02 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: completism
>From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
>
>But here are the artists from whom I've bought virtually every record >(as
>leader, at least) and/or would buy them all if money were no >object:
>
>Art Ensemble of Chicago
>Anthony Braxton
>Ornette Coleman
>Dave Douglas
>Marty Ehrlich
>Cecil Taylor
>John Zorn
obviously we have similar tastes. Some additions of mine where I would have
all if possible:
Charles Mingus
Henry Threadgill
Julius Hemphill
Marc Ribot
John Coltrane
Bill Dixon
Fred Frith
Ken Vandermark
Albert Ayler
Marion Brown
Don Cherry
Tom Cora
Arto Lindsay
Butch Morris
Myra Melford
Sun Ra
David Shea
Yosuke Yamashita
Andreas
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:25:46 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: Twin Peaks/Badalamenti soundtracks
TWIN PEAKS is definitely one of my favourite soundtracks, but I prefer the
movie one (FIRE WAlK WITH ME), the Julee Cruise and Jimmy Scott tracks are
so haunting and beautiful. Being a fan of Badalamenti, I also have to add
WILD AT HERT to the list, especially for those Rubber City (David Slusser)
tracks.
The BLUE VELVET soundtrack is great, but I think it goes better with the
movie, and doesn't work so much for me without it. The LOST HIGHWAY one is
also good, but it has too much MARILYN MANSON/RAMMSTEIN stuff, I would have
liked more Badalamenti.
The sax parts are (as someone noted) by BOB SHEPPARD, and I also don't know
who he is, but I checked out the AMG and he has one album (i think). If
someone has any information on his work, please let me know. And I have to
admit: that track on the LOST HIGHWAY soundtrack was what lead me to JOHN
ZORN(!). I started looking for violent sax playing and guess who I ran
into? :-)
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
NP. XU FENG - John Zorn (It's the first time I listen to any of Zorn's game
pieces ... and I like it!!!!!!!) Gotta listen to Cobra now!!! :-)
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:32:47 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <andreasdietz@hotmail.com>
Subject: Ultima Vez / Marc Ribot
I┤ve heard of this dance theater directed by Wim Vandekeybus with music by
Marc Ribot. There is a web site www.ultimavez.com. Has anyone seen this and
can give some details? Are any recordings available?
Andreas
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:09:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ethan <eclauset@webslingerZ.com>
Subject: Re: Internet Radio
WXYC in Chapel Hill: http://wxyc.org
we programmed a lot of tzadik & other fun stuff in the general rotation
when I was a DJ there.
there should be a recent brian eno phone interview being posted to the web
site sometime soon..
plus we were the first radio station in the world to broadcast live on the
internet.
of particular interest to this list would be broken music on sundays from
3-4pm eastern time.
ethan
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:20:43 EDT
From: SOUPBEARD@aol.com
Subject: Noise
Hello All,
I was wondering which CD(s) would be best to start off on when trying out
some of the noise artists. i was assuming Merzbow because I already own
Maldaror (w/patton) and i enjoy that quite a bit. However there is quite a
Merzbow discography and I don't really know where to start. Also, if you
would recommend a different artist as a starting point, please let me know.
I'm looking for a CD that is more than just pretty cool....something that
makes me want more, i guess. Thanks for your help....
also....the pronunciation of Merzbow, is it BOW as in "bow wow" or as in "bow
tie?"
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:30:44 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: digital safecrackers
in light of the talk around here... write if you want the rest.
kg
Researchers say they defeated schemes to protect digital music
Eds: SUBS 1st, 3rd grafs to fix style on 'copyright'
By GARY GENTILE
AP Business Writer
LOS ANGELES (AP) - A group of researchers claims to have defeated four different
technologies being developed to prevent computer users from listening to
copyright music for free.
Researchers at Princeton University, Xerox PARC and Rice University said they
were able to remove invisible security measures placed on four music files by
the Secure Digital Media Initiative - a group of 200 music, telecommunications
and consumer electronic companies.
Any reasonably sophisticated computer pirate intent on illegally distributing
copyright music files could do the same, the researchers said. The claim, if
true, strikes at the heart of efforts to protect copyrights and prevent people
from listening to music for free using technology such as Napster.
- ---
On the Net:
http://www.cs.princeton.edu/sip/sdmi/announcement
http://www.hacksdmi.org
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:01:41 -0400
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Re: Internet Radio
>plus we were the first radio station in the world to broadcast live >on the internet.
Or at least tied WREK who started Internet streaming the same day (Nov 7, 1994).
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:13:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: josephneff@webtv.net (Joseph Neff)
Subject: completism/musicians on film/jarmusch/ruiz
Hello,
...Rick Lopez asked about the availability of the "Mouthful of
Sweat" vid comp. featuring W. Parker, M. Graves, and P. Brotzmann.
Checked Atavistic's site and it's not listed. No surprise there. Also
looked in the catalogs of a few on-line sources, but nothing there
either. I wouldn't say that this vid is so obscure that a fairly
diligent search wouldn't turn up a copy or two. Particularly if you have
numerous friends in a variety of large cities that could check the stock
in indie shops. And I bet somebody would part with their copy. However,
I would not. Last note: the quality of this vid is the lowest of any
Atavistic title I've viewed, and I've seen a few. Much footage is of
live indie rock bands captured on cam-corder. Yr mileage will vary from
track to track, natch.
...on the slowly fading subject of musicians on film, i can't
believe I almost forgot to mention "Mingus" (1968), directed by Thomas
Reichman. It's an hour long b/w cinema varite study that intercuts great
live footage of a small band that features Dannie Richmond, Walter
Bishop, John Gilmore, and Charles McPherson. I really need to pull my
copy out of storage. It's an amazing film that deals with Mingus being
evicted from his loft space home by the city of New York. I've never
been able to watch this film a lot due to the emotional content (or to
elaborate, I've never wanted to get so familiar with this film that I
could "just watch" Mingus being raked over emotional coals without being
impacted by the experience). Some of the music is stunning, the opening
bass solo in particular. Also, where he sings and plays piano is just
grand. To me, this film is equally as important a document in dealing
with Mingus as the "Beneath the Underdog" book, maybe even more so.
....on the film s/t thread, I'll agree that Jarmusch uses good,
often great music. In "Ghost Dog", along with the RZA stuff, he has a
bit of Andrew Cyrille and Jimmy Lyons (unless I misread the credits as
they moved by).
...last, Evan at ObviousEye@aol.com asked about Raul Ruiz. The guy
has been directing since the mid '60's. I've only watched one of his
films "On Top of the Whale", a very good poetic slice of comic-surreal
cinema that deals in part with the divides between sophisticated and
primitive cultures, specifically in regard to language. It's definitely
a film that needs multiple viewing to fully "get". His new work "Time
Regained", based on the work of Proust, is making the rounds. "Film
Comment" magazine thought highly of it. And we can connect "Film
Comment" to the list talk about Paul Schrader, because in the latest
issue Schrader writes about the rediscovered Budd Boetticher western
"Seven Men From Now".
...would love to see Ruiz's "The Golden Boat" with s/t by Zorn.
np: Blind Willie Johnson- "The Complete..." disc one
nr: selections from Bantam Books "Modern European Poetry"
I remain....
Joseph
"There's no boundary line to art" Charlie Parker
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:37:47 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: completism/musicians on film/jarmusch/ruiz
In a message dated 10/24/00 1:15:34 PM, josephneff@webtv.net writes:
<< In "Ghost Dog", along with the RZA stuff, he has a
bit of Andrew Cyrille and Jimmy Lyons (unless I misread the credits as
they moved by). >>
nope, that's correct. it's a piece from Something In Return (Soul Note),
don't recall which one. all movie long, the lead character pops CDs into his
car's CD player. they're almost exclusively Wu-Tang/RZA hip-hop, but near the
end, he pops this disc in to drive around to, which I thought was very cool.
very good movie, also.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:43:15 +0200
From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" <jerzym@dom.zabrze.pl>
Subject: Odp: favourite soundtracks
| - 70's porn (the music is the best part)
Yes. I want strongly recommend soundtrack to "Deep Throat" available in
ForcedExposure.
Real masterpiece
And of course music to Russ Meyers moviec
Jerzy
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