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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #137
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Zorn List Digest Monday, October 23 2000 Volume 03 : Number 137
In this issue:
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Re: miles soundtracks
Michael Nyman
internet audio
Re: favourite soundtracks
[none]
mishima/glass
Re: favourite soundtracks
Fwd: PREVOST
Re: favourite soundtracks
Re: completism
Sir Peter Maxwell Davies/disc sources
Re: miles soundtracks (caution)
Re: favourite soundtracks
Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #136
Live Show in Chicago
Re: favourite soundtracks
Re: favourite soundtracks
Re: favourite soundtracks
Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #136/Raul Ruiz
Re: favourite soundtracks
Re: favourite soundtracks
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:06:01 +0100
From: "Alastair Wilson" <wilsonah@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: miles soundtracks
Martin Wisckol wrote:
"jack
> johnson" which, of course, was never used for a movie
I saw the film a couple of years ago, and believe me, Miles' music from the
album of the same name (plus some extra Miles bits) is used extensively, to
good effect.
I've never been able to track down a video/DVD release for the film,
unfortunately.
Alastair
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:29:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com>
Subject: Michael Nyman
> - -I never was too taken with THE DRAUGHTSMAN CONTRACT, but
> - -along the same lines (soundtracks by Nyman for Peter
> - -Greenaway films) I have repeatedly enjoyed "Prospero's Books"
> - -and "Drowning by Numbers" over the years.
>
>
> btw, am i the only one that finds PROSPERO'S BOOK almost impossible
> to grasp? i always pop it in, but get lost. is reading the TEMPEST that
> crucial to understanding the whole thing?
yes....I think you need to at least know the Tempest. Get one of those
study book summaries for the Tempest. :)
That is one beutiful movie....I love the dancing with hair and
all those shots of those books!
> what do you guys think of NYMAN'S music in THE PIANO. it's on a cd
> here and was wondering if i should get it.
I can't stand the Piano.....boarder line new age...absolutely boring
nothing compelling at all.
I love Nymans work but think 1992-93 was roughly the time he lost
it...or ran out of ideas.
Anything before 1992 is wonderful.....Song Book...String Quartets...
The Cook the Thief....The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat...
you name it....they are all wonderful....after the Piano tho his
work got very spotty...Time Will Pronounce was solid and after
the Piano...Noise, Sounds and Sweet Airs and the Live disc are also
nice and from about 94....then he really started losing it.
I find Carrington and Enemy Zero just awful.
He has many releases...maybe even around 100....i'd stick with mostly
stuff before 1992-93....actually AET is nice..if not rehash ideas and
that is a later release.
On the jazz tip...the Waltz from the self titled Michael Nyman release
on Piano in 1981 has Brotsman on sax and it's a noisy mix of jazz and
classical music in a form of a waltz. I love the track and the album.
check out
http://www.michaelnyman.com/discography_complete.asp
for everything that is Nyman...
mike
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:49:13 EDT
From: JoeJanecek@aol.com
Subject: internet audio
while not perfect and always subject to change, I do offer a lot of direct
feeds off of my page at:
http://janecek.com/bitcasters.html
some I hope you enjoy...
regards
joe
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:13:18 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks
On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 02:48:27PM -0700, Patrice L. Roussel wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:38:09 +0000 Rick Lopez wrote:
> >
> > PATTY HEARST, Scott Johnson
>
> Was it a movie soundtrack? I doubt it.
Yes, it was. I have the laserdisc of the film, directed by "Mishima"'s
Paul Schrader.
BTW, http://www.imdb.com/ is a very good source for film info.
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
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- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:58:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Benton <rancor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: [none]
Steve Smith wrote:
> Now that I've seen a complete list of who's on it, this seems a lot more
> compelling, even if it omits the famous bit (on the CD 'Woodstock
> Jazz Festival 2') where Braxton sings Konitz's 1959 alto solo from "The
> Song Is You" to Konitz backstage.
And Konitz doesn't have the slightest idea what it is...I've always loved
this clip (which I've only seen on a Branford-hosted video called 'Reed
Royalty') if only for the look of childlike glee in Braxton's eyes,
though my affection for it was somewhat soured by a quote from Konitz I
recently read where he, rather unkindly, jokes about never knowing what in
the world Braxton was singing on the many occasions this happened.
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:33:02 EDT
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: mishima/glass
In a message dated 10/23/00 11:49:28 AM, you wrote:
<<Speaking of Glass and scores, has anybody heard his score for the film
> Mishima? If so, how is it? Is it any good?-
i'm not very familiar with glass' output.
what i wonder though about "mishima": does it have anything to do
with the japanese write yukio mishima?>>
yes, it is a soundtrack for an excellent
film biography of yuki mishima,
available in most good video shops.
it is one of glass's best non-opera pieces, in my opinion.
(i love the earliest process pieces and the operas,
and loathe koyanasquaatsi, both music and film.)
steve koenig
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:41:13 -0400
From: Ian Farrell <ifarrell@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks
REQUIEM FOR A DREAM-Kronos Quartet
(in theatres now...it is brilliant, shocking and beautiful)
> From: "StichtingRumor@hetnet.nl" <StichtingRumor@hetnet.nl>
> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:24:13 +0200
> To: Marius Ergo <mariusergo@hotmail.com>, zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks
>
> Miles Davis, L'escalier pour l'echafaud
> va - Apocalypse Now (not the music on itself, but what it does to the film)
> Goran Bregovic - Underground
> Goran Bregovic - Black Cat White Cat
> Mamas and Papas ao - Chungking Express
> Nino Rota - music for most of Fellini's films (Amarcord, Roma, 8 1/2)
> Gustav Mahler - Death in Venice
> Ligeti, Strauss ao - 2001: a space odyssey
>
> Theus/Rumor
>
>
>
> -
>
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:42:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: aaron chua <aaronchua22@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: PREVOST
thought i'd forward this from the man himself.
> .Dear Aaron
> Thank you for note about the preferred pronunciation
> of my name. I am not sure
> to whom a response from me should be sent. And, it
> does not seem to be a matter
> of any great importance, but for the record: I am
> English. Born in England of
> English parents but of French Huguenot background.
> The Anglicised version of the
> name is not entirely the way the French would
> pronounce Prevost (with an acute
> accent on the e) , but it is similar. It is more
> like PREV-VO .
> If this is of any interest to anyone then fine.
>
> Best wishes
> Eddie
>
>
>
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- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:44:16 -0400
From: Ian Farrell <ifarrell@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks
yes it is true...
> From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
> Subject: RE: favourite soundtracks
> I believe the "Ned Rifle" to whom the music for "The Unbelievable Truth" and
> "Trust" is credited is none other than Hartley himself, but I'm not entirely
> sure.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:46:24 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: completism
Brian Olewnick wrote:
> Steve Smith wrote:
>
> > But here are the artists from whom I've bought virtually every record (as leader,
> > at least) and/or would buy them all if money were no object:
>
> > Dennis Gonzalez
>
> Back in the late 80's, when there was a splurge of articles on this guy,
> I went and bought "Stefan" on Silkheart and...I didn't see what the fuss
> was about. I happened to have recently listened again (traversing my
> "G's" these days) and I still don't hear anything particularly striking.
> What am I missing? Is it a Texas thing, Steve??? Are there other discs
> more to the point?
Maybe it is, but I don't think so. I caught on to him as a local, yes, but I think
his best work stands up quite well.
I love Dennis's lyricism, as trumpeter and as composer. The tunes on 'Stefan' are
simply really, really good tunes, in my opinion, and some of John Purcell's best
playing can be found here. Likewise the followup, 'Namesake,' which featured the
return of Charles Brackeen and strong playing from Douglas Ewart and Ahmed Abdullah.
The first record that really blew me away was 'Catechism,' which included Keith
Tippett, Elton Dean, Rob Blakeslee, Marcio Mattos and Louis Moholo. This one featured
especially good writing, from Dennis (especially the tune "Surely Goodness and Mercy
(Kwela for Carol)" which appears twice) and also from his longtime collaborator Gerard
Bendiks (the fabulously-titled "The Sunny Murray-Cecil Taylor Dancing Lesson"). The
next one, 'Debenge-Debenge,' featured a sprawling, brawling double quartet that
included Brackeen and Kidd Jordan, as well as Jordan's son Marlon on second trumpet.
After that came the somewhat patchy 'The Desert Wind,' with the magnificent "Hymn for
Julius Hemphill" as the latest entry in Gonzalez's deeply moving hymn cycle.
'The Earth and the Heart' featured two stellar bands, an East Coast band with Andrew
Cyrille, Ken Filiano and British electric guitarist Mark Hewins, and a West Coast band
with Filiano and Nels and Alex Cline. But 'Hymn for the Perfect Heart of a Pearl' was
the next really extraordinary one, with a band that included Carlos Ward, Paul Plimley
and Louis Moholo. And you already know what I think of his last album, 'Welcome to
Us,' which I find profoundly beautiful.
And these are just the CDs... he also self-released a string of LPs prior, the
earliest of which lacked polish and technique but had a certain outsider charm, the
later ones (especially 'Anthem Suite' and 'Little Toot') as good as anything since.
Don't know what he's been up to since '96, as we fell out of touch a few years ago.
The last demo he sent me was a dark electronic dance rhythm affair influenced by the
tastes of his teenage son with so may samples he likely could never have gotten
clearance for them all (from ethnic music to Nine Inch Nails).
(Brian, if you want to borrow any of these, let me know.)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Ally McBeal
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:48:26 EDT
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: Sir Peter Maxwell Davies/disc sources
In a message dated 10/23/00 7:08:57 PM, you wrote:
<<Sir Peter Maxwell Davies>>
hi steve,
folks like us who are sir peter m d freaks should know
most of his collins classics discs are cutouts at
berkshire record outlet; broinc.com;
as are many euro ecms and a few hat huts.
even better are the col legno cut outs,
esp the donaueschingen festival sets at times.
regards
steve koenig
n.p.: denman maroney/hans tammen (potlatch)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:53:33 EDT
From: Drivymovie@aol.com
Subject: Re: miles soundtracks (caution)
Stay away from "Dingo"...there isn't really much more I can say about this
movie.
Dust,
- -Evan
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:43:31 -0500
From: Craig Rath <fripp@mn.mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks
I might as well add my 2 cents in:
Some that others have said which I agree on:
Twin Peaks (Angelo Badalamenti)
Koyaanisqatsi (Philip Glass)
Mishima (Philip Glass)
The X-Files (Mark Snow)
And some others that I really enjoy:
Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (Angelo Badalamenti)
Blade Runner (Vangelis) - the limited edition original soundtrack, not his
reissued one.
Hard Boiled (Michael Gibbs)
Powaqqatsi (Philip Glass)
Thief (Tangerine Dream)
Passion/Last Temptation of Christ (Peter Gabriel)
The Straight Story (Angelo Badalamenti)
The Keep (Tangerine Dream) - the limited edition original soundtrack, not
the rerecorded one.
And for the sheer cheesiness of them, almost all of John Carpenter's early
soundtracks, the best of course being Halloween III.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:18:28 EDT
From: ObviousEye@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #136
In a message dated 10/23/00 7:08:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com writes:
<< SHRADER >>
Wrote "taxi driver" and "raging bull" screen plays.
thats enough evidence of his worth.
ben the lonely Phaedra
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:44:28 EDT
From: User384726@aol.com
Subject: Live Show in Chicago
All are invited to attend the performance of Seven Days of Stockhausen (a
local group). We are an electric art noise trio made up of two guitars and
electric cello. We are performing at the Empty Bottle on Wednesday night at
10:00. Hope you all can come. Sorry for getting of the subject.
Aaron Solomon
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:05:57 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks
On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 08:43:31PM -0500, Craig Rath wrote:
> Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (Angelo Badalamenti)
A definite fave of mine (I'm surprised that I forgot to mention it
earlier). The album/soundtrack strikes me as somewhat of a love letter
to the upright bass, with the instrument prominent through much of it,
played by Ron Carter and others.
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
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- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:00:25 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks
Joseph Zitt wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 08:43:31PM -0500, Craig Rath wrote:
>
> > Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (Angelo Badalamenti)
>
> A definite fave of mine (I'm surprised that I forgot to mention it
> earlier).
Me, too, and the only reason I didn't mention it is because I kinda felt
that the mention of 'Twin Peaks' in my list included both the TV show and
the movie. (For that matter, same holds true for 'X-Files.')
Hated the 'Twin Peaks' movie itself, though, and this as a seriously sick
fan of the TV series, with seriously worn VHS tapes, books, trading cards
and coffee mug to show for it.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:30:25 -0400
From: Matt Laferty <bg60009@binghamton.edu>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks
Wow.
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned the "Forbidden Planet" soundtrack. The
Incredibly strange music book turned me onto that.
For the record:
Eating in an Indian restaraunt about 6 or 7 years ago, the music was
uncontrollably happy (compared to the Indian classical music I was used to)
and when I asked the owner what it was, he pulled out an unmarked tape. He
said it was some old film soundtrack. He wouldn't give or sell it to me, but
he sent me ACROSS THE STREET to an Indian grocery store. I told the lady at
the counter (while my wife was buying great spices) what I was looking for and
she suggested Kishore Ki Yaaden. That cd has been my most lasting soundtrack
to film(s?) that I'll probably never see.
You know, both Sayles's Matewan and Koppel's "Harlan County USA" both USE
soundtracks well.
Oh, and Faster Pussycat, too.
And matt's obvious other choices:
Uncle Meat, Performance, The Wild Angels, Wonderwall (rhino just released the
DVD..), Serge Gainsbourgh's Emmanuelle something or other
And stupid questions:
1. Who plays the sax stuff for Bill Pullman in "Lost Highway"?
2. Who are the uncredited interlude musicians in "In the Company of Men"
3. How 'bout that Tenacious D stuff that occasionally pops up on the
HBO...good laffs.
matt
Craig Rath wrote:
> I might as well add my 2 cents in:
>
> Some that others have said which I agree on:
>
> Twin Peaks (Angelo Badalamenti)
> Koyaanisqatsi (Philip Glass)
> Mishima (Philip Glass)
> The X-Files (Mark Snow)
>
> And some others that I really enjoy:
>
> Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (Angelo Badalamenti)
> Blade Runner (Vangelis) - the limited edition original soundtrack, not his
> reissued one.
> Hard Boiled (Michael Gibbs)
> Powaqqatsi (Philip Glass)
> Thief (Tangerine Dream)
> Passion/Last Temptation of Christ (Peter Gabriel)
> The Straight Story (Angelo Badalamenti)
> The Keep (Tangerine Dream) - the limited edition original soundtrack, not
> the rerecorded one.
>
> And for the sheer cheesiness of them, almost all of John Carpenter's early
> soundtracks, the best of course being Halloween III.
>
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:48:57 EDT
From: Drivymovie@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #136/Raul Ruiz
...not to mention some other classic Schrader projects: "Blue Collar"
(undoubtably one of Richard Pryor's best performances), "Last Temptation of
Christ" (screenwriter), and "Hardcore" (although I probably wouldn't put this
one in the same category of greatness as the former two).
Keeping with the Zorn-related content, has anyone seen any movies by the
"ultra-prolific, post-Godardian, Guerilla" filmmaker Raul Ruiz? I really
enjoyed the music that Zorn did for his movie "The Golden Boat" (on Filmorks
I), and from what I hear he is supposedly the shit. Anyone have any
opinions/recommendations? Where do I start?
Thanks,
- -Evan
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:55:38 EDT
From: Jeffcalt@aol.com
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks
i'll make this difficult:
- -music composed and/or performed for film:
Kansas City
The Last Temptation of Christ (Passion): Peter Gabriel
Night on Earth: Tom Waits
Gas Food Lodging: J Mascis
- -compilations:
Mandela (which has some great South African jazz...and some crap)
Crooklyn, Vols. 1 & 2
- -and in the movies-based-on-the-music album category:
Buena Vista Social Club
Purple Rain: Prince
Big Time: Tom Waits
When We Were Kings
jeff c.
n.p. brad dutz: krin
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:44:08 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks
On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 11:00:25PM -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
> Hated the 'Twin Peaks' movie itself, though, and this as a seriously sick
> fan of the TV series, with seriously worn VHS tapes, books, trading cards
> and coffee mug to show for it.
Heh, looking at my rack of Twin Peaks books and directory of related
files, I can, er, relate. (Not many others can nowadays, so my continually
referring to a disliked guy named Bob in the office as BOB shoots
right past most people :-])
np: Meredith Monk: Book of Days/Ellis Island (laserdisc)
- --
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- -
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