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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #133
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Zorn List Digest Sunday, October 22 2000 Volume 03 : Number 133
In this issue:
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Re: zorn/eye box set
Re: musicians on film
Re: Completism etc.
Re: musicians on film
Odp: Odp: K.C.
weird little boy
Re: pronounce "Barre
zorn eye set
riley/oxley/guy
Sidsel
Re: on-line cd stores
Cyro Baptista
denver
Re: riley/oxley/guy
Re: denver
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Pr=E9vost_pronunciation?=
SONAR 99 comp box (rec request)
Re: NYC concert: Dresser/Howard/Kimura/Ulrich
Re: musicians on film
bernard herrmann
Re: NYC concert: Dresser/Howard/Kimura/Ulrich
Re: bernard herrmann
Re: bernard herrmann
Re: What was I thinking? (and a new, similarly geeky topic)
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 05:17:39 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: zorn/eye box set
SOUPBEARD@aol.com wrote:
> there were a few people wondering about the box set mentioned earlier
> (including myself) and i did a bit of research on the topic. research
> meaning i first checked the FAQ and here are the results of my countless
> moments of research.....this took me literally 10's of seconds:
>
> What's the deal with this 100 CD boxset?
> In an issue of The Wire, there was an advertisement for a 100 CD boxset of
> Zorn/Eye from their 1995 China tour. Supposedly, it is a limited edition of
> 1000 copies. Each CD will be variable length with the shortest at one second!
> Word is that the release date has been pushed back to Fall 1997, my guess is
> that is optimistic.
> More recent info seems to indicate that the project has been cancelled.
Mainly because the Sound Factory label went out of business altogether, if
memory serves. Don't know what happened to those who'd actually sent pre-order
money, however.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Strafe FR, "Cambrian," 'Lufthunger' (Touch) - dusting off a few oldies this
weekend...
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 05:25:02 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: musicians on film
Joseph Zitt wrote:
> Another video that comes to mind is "Imagine the Sound" from 1981, with
> Paul Bley, Bill Dixon, Archie Shepp and Cecil Taylor.
Is this one commonly available? Would you happen to know if it's on DVD?
I just got a DVD of interesting mostly mainstream fare a few days ago, a
compilation of material from Ralph Gleason's old 'Jazz Casual' TV show. In
addition to a Count Basie quartet and a Dizzy Gillespie quintet, it's got
the John Coltrane "classic" quartet circa 1964, playing "Afro Blue,"
"Alabama," and a 14 minute version of "Impressions." Classic.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Strafe FR, "Ordovician," 'Lufthunger' (Touch)
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 05:10:46 +0000
From: Rick Lopez <bb10k@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: Completism etc.
on 10/22/00 7:08 AM, Joseph Neff at josephneff@webtv.net wrote:
> video, a portion of a improv from
> the Knitting Factory by William Parker, Milford Graves, and Peter
> Brotzmann. It was featured on a Atavistic/Chemical Imbalance magazine
> video comp. called "Mouthful of Sweat".
So, any copies of this lying around?
Trying to complete my Willi'm Parker collection,
RL
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- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:14:26 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: musicians on film
On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 05:25:02AM -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
> Joseph Zitt wrote:
>
> > Another video that comes to mind is "Imagine the Sound" from 1981, with
> > Paul Bley, Bill Dixon, Archie Shepp and Cecil Taylor.
>
> Is this one commonly available? Would you happen to know if it's on DVD?
I haven't seen it on DVD, but it's out now on VHS. I *think* I got it
from Anomalous. I see checkout.com has it at
http://www.checkout.com/movies/title/info/0,,846934,00.html?src=search
> I just got a DVD of interesting mostly mainstream fare a few days ago, a
> compilation of material from Ralph Gleason's old 'Jazz Casual' TV show. In
> addition to a Count Basie quartet and a Dizzy Gillespie quintet, it's got
> the John Coltrane "classic" quartet circa 1964, playing "Afro Blue,"
> "Alabama," and a 14 minute version of "Impressions." Classic.
I have the Coltrane on VHS, and will eventually get the DVD.
n.p. John Zorn, "Xu Feng"
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- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:29:28 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl>
Subject: Odp: Odp: K.C.
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
> I hope to get the Larks'/Starless/Red trilogy soon, but I just dropped way
too
> much money on a pair of tickets to see the current lineup next month.
Thanks for info, and have a good time on the live shows. They're really
incredible now, that lineup live is much better then the previous one. The
improvs kill, and the tg/pm section is a beast live.
> s~z wrote:
> The doubt was not about whether or not they were or were not in the band.
> It was about whether such a band could "still rule."
Yes, less show - off, more music.Improves in a quartet are better then in a
sextet.
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:34:42 EDT
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: weird little boy
In a message dated 10/19/00 10:01:50 AM, you wrote:
<<Weird Little Boy.>>
hi gang,
seems lots are less than fond of this one.
the problem for me with this piece was less of the music than the text,
though the music is lesser than sum of....
my being a mad fan for the works of david wojnarowiscz,
both his text and multimedia work,
i was shocked to find the storyline heterosexual,
and that the packaging was so much better than the music.
was going to put it in the trade pile, pun unintended,
but gonna keep it with my david woj. collection
- ----
steve koenig
LaFolia.com
JazzWeekly.com
n.p.: Howard Riley/Oxley/Guy Trio on Emanem
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:38:09 EDT
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: Re: pronounce "Barre
In a message dated 10/19/00 10:01:50 AM, you wrote:
<<how do you pronounce "Barre>>
I've always wondered this and said it like the English Barry.
I'm told the correct pronunciation is like the English word "Bar"
yrs
Steve Koenig
LaFolia.com
Acoustic Levitation Records
n.p.: Julio Estrada's opera "Dolores"/ private tape
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:46:40 EDT
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: zorn eye set
In a message dated 10/22/00 3:10:12 AM, you wrote:
What's the deal with this 100 CD boxset?
In an issue of The Wire, there was an advertisement for a 100 CD boxset of
Zorn/Eye from their 1995 China tour. Supposedly, it is a limited edition of
1000 copies. Each CD will be variable length with the shortest at one second!
Word is that the release date has been pushed back to Fall 1997, my guess is
that is optimistic. More recent info seems to indicate that the project has
been cancelled.
>>
i was excited when i forst heard of this project, which was
supposed to have all the discs on a wooden rolling pin,
and, as you say, ranging in length from 80m to 1s.
good sources tell me indeed it's been cancelled.
steve koenig
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:52:40 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: riley/oxley/guy
In a message dated 10/22/00 12:35:46 PM, Acousticlv@aol.com writes:
<< n.p.: Howard Riley/Oxley/Guy Trio on Emanem >>
how is this? how does it compare to Flight (FMR), same trio from a couple
years earlier? are Oxley's electronics prominent at all?
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:58:55 +0100
From: "Alastair Wilson" <wilsonah@hotmail.com>
Subject: Sidsel
Many thanks to all who helped me with the Sidsel Endreson enquiry. At least
four more CDs to buy! The Dennis Gonzalez disc Steve S mentions sounds
especially interesting...
A
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:12:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: on-line cd stores
If you're in Canada or like paying in devalued
Canadian dollars (about 60 cents U.S.), try Verge
Music Distributors in Uxbridge, Ont.
www.vergemusic.com
Because it's in Canada, Verge also sometimes stocks
different European, Australian etc. labels that aren't
available in the U.S.
You can get on its monthly e-mail release list by
writing info@vergemusic.com
Ken Waxman
(standard disclaimer-- no affiliation except as a
satisfied customer)
- --- Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 03:55:09PM -0700, Tom Gatzen
> wrote:
> > other than "other music, downtown music gallery ,
> and forced exposure" what other music dealers
on-line
> are good to find weird, obscure stuff from.
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:14:18 +0200 (DST)
From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis <papagian@nat.vu.nl>
Subject: Cyro Baptista
I dont know if this will reach the list directly,
so I pass it on...
<<<<<
CYRO BAPTISTA & BEAT THE DONKEY
Thursday , OCTOBER 26 , 8 pm
TISHMAN AUDITORIUM @ New School University
!!!!!!!! free admission !!!!!!!!!
Brazilian percussionist Cyro Baptista has performed and recorded with
artists such as Herbie Hancock, Paul Simon, Laurie Anderson and Sting, just
to name a few.
His explosive percussion ensemble, featuring 9 musicians from 5 different
countries, expands rhythm beyond their natural frontiers by incorporating
Balinese gongs, Brazilian and African grooves, tap dance and Brazilian
capoeira.. Playing traditional and non-traditional instruments, it could
best be described as eccentric percussion theatre.
http://www.cyrobaptista.com/
>>>>>>>>>>
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:44:36 GMT
From: "Kevin Richards" <waldo_80@hotmail.com>
Subject: denver
finally, i got on this list.
so any thought on stuff in the front range area. i know there has been quite
a bit of activity here lately. wondering if anyone had any suggestions for
stuff other than cmw, or the gallery shows? and anyone who missed the trio 3
show, by the way, really missed out on an amazing performance.
kevin
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- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:49:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Caulfield Bivins <jcbivins@unity.ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: riley/oxley/guy
Speaking of Riley stuff, has anybody heard the Sony/Columbia reissues of
his? I believe they're from the late 60s/early 70s.
Thanks,
Jason Bivins
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 15:40:18 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: denver
On Sun, Oct 22, 2000 at 07:44:36PM +0000, Kevin Richards wrote:
> finally, i got on this list.
>
> so any thought on stuff in the front range area. i know there has been quite
> a bit of activity here lately. wondering if anyone had any suggestions for
> stuff other than cmw, or the gallery shows? and anyone who missed the trio 3
> show, by the way, really missed out on an amazing performance.
What or where is the front range area?
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
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- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:17:38 -0400
From: stephen drury <stevedrury@mindspring.com>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Pr=E9vost_pronunciation?=
well, Tilbury introduced him as PRAY-vost; i figure he otta no.
- --steve
check out the cool new stuff on
http://www.stephendrury.com
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:52:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: SONAR 99 comp box (rec request)
Has anyone heard this, and how is it? I've never
heard of many of the artists, but the ones I'm
familiar with, I like quite a bit. Advice would be
much appreciated, off-list if you prefer. I've
included the artist list just for list interest.
Thanks!
- -----s
Various Artists: SONAR 99 (4cd's)
label: SO DENS
"The most prestigious electronic underground festival
In Europe: astonishing tracklist, 4CDs for the price
of a double CD!" Tracklisting: Anton Ignorant: "The
Right To Copy", F.X. Randomiz: "Gwengl", We: "12
Diablos", Solo Los Solo: "La Del Perro", Suicide:
"Johnny", Rhythm & Sound With Tikiman: "Never Tell
You", David Toop: "An Arthopod Raising Ist", Rainer
Trⁿby Trio: "Donaueschingen", Chop Suey: "Tiny Tinny
Heart", Memorabilia: "Plantas Carnφvoras", Madelman:
"Dramabank", Dee Jay Kul: "I Want To B (The Future)",
I-F: "Secret Desire (Vox)", Killerloop: "Music
Inside", Fetisch Park: "Blow", Laurent Garnier:
"Kallit!", Kruder and Dorfmeister: "Shakatakadoodub",
Raeo: "Chemical Imbalance", Pole: "Stadt", Kreidler:
"Coldness (Sunroof mix)", Killa Bite: "A1", Tarwater:
"20 Miles Up", Supercollider: "Darn (Cold Way O'
Lovin)", Penelope & Carlo: "Terror En El Espacio",
Mastretta: "El ┌ltimo Habitante", Del
O'Rourke/Fennesz/Pita: "(5,6m Of) Fennoberg", Groof:
"I Want You", Theorem: "Igneous", Speedy J: "Ieee
Mitten Menu (Nutt mix)", Plastikman: "Ekko", Terry
Francis: "As You Cry (Edit)", Charlie Hall: "Daf.
Unk", Justin Berkovi: "The Server Slips", Psyback:
"Ni±o Colado (Original mix)", D.O.D.: "1,2,3,4 (De
Pompidou's mix)", Kojak: "Bad Movies", Smol Tosi:
"B.Ass & D.Room", Cylob: "Cylob's Theme", Baby Ford:
"Normal (Is It Normal? Clubmix)", Gak Sato: "Theme
From Ufo", El Aviador Dro: "Selector De Frecuencias",
Bola: "Aguilla", Chaser: "Life In Loisaida", Subvoice:
"Dynamite Voltage 1", DJ Shufflemaster: "Electronique
Dweller", P-18: "íEscuchen Mi Conga!", Jeff Mills:
"Preview", Ryoji Ikeda: "Zero Degrees [3]",
Supercinexcene: "Nova Disco", Zeta: "Nrg Beatz",
Koshmaker: "Roock It!", Marco Carola: "Track 8".
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:35:02 EDT
From: Drivymovie@aol.com
Subject: Re: NYC concert: Dresser/Howard/Kimura/Ulrich
Are you sure it is Tomas Ulrich playing cello? The Knit (being ever-so
consistent in their inconsistencies) lists Satoshi Takeishi as the fourth
member, on percussion. There is no mention of either Ulrich, or any other
cello player for that matter. Either way, I wouldn't dare miss anything
involving Dresser; I'm simply curious to know what's up.
Word,
Evan
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:54:38 EDT
From: Fastian@aol.com
Subject: Re: musicians on film
> > Another video that comes to mind is "Imagine the Sound" from 1981, with
> > Paul Bley, Bill Dixon, Archie Shepp and Cecil Taylor.
> Is this one commonly available? Would you happen to know if it's on DVD?
I haven't seen it on DVD, but it's out now on VHS. I *think* I got it
from Anomalous. I see checkout.com has it at
http://www.checkout.com/movies/title/info/0,,846934,00.html?src=search
>>
Its available for rent at my neighborhood chain video store so it must have
major distribution. The director(Mann?) became famous for his recent "Grass"
movie so his earlier movies or documentaries were reissued. He has a beat
poet video out also. The music in "Imagine The Sound" is interspersed with
lots of interviews often right in the middle of a piece. I remember in a
piece by Bill Dixon, the bass player (Art Davis?)takes off in this amazing
solo and Dixon is gesturing madly to stop playing which he does. So much for
free jazz. Cheers, John
Threadgould
np:"Jo"-Satoko Fujii Orchestra
p.s. Didn't Arthur G say he built a shelf to hold the 100 cd Zorn/Eye?
Was that in vain?
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:57:17 EDT
From: ObviousEye@aol.com
Subject: bernard herrmann
does anyone here know much about Bernard Herrmann? Soundtracks mostly, i
think....taxi driver, vertigo, north by northwest.
whats worthwhile, whats not?
thanks.
ben (breeder of polyhedra)
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:00:57 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: NYC concert: Dresser/Howard/Kimura/Ulrich
In a message dated 10/22/00 10:35:02 PM, Drivymovie writes:
<< Are you sure it is Tomas Ulrich playing cello? The Knit (being ever-so
consistent in their inconsistencies) lists Satoshi Takeishi as the fourth
member, on percussion. There is no mention of either Ulrich, or any other
cello player for that matter. Either way, I wouldn't dare miss anything
involving Dresser; I'm simply curious to know what's up. >>
yup, according to Earl, it's Ulrich. Takeishi cancelled.
just came from a superb set by Gert-Jan Prins and Anne La Berge at Roulette.
Prins straddles the noise and improv genres better than anyone else I can
think of.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:05:20 EDT
From: OnionPalac@aol.com
Subject: Re: bernard herrmann
The Day The Earth Stood Still
North By Northwest
Vertigo
The 7th Voyage of SInbad
Garden of Evil
Journy To The Center of The Earth
The Trouble With Harry
Compilation:
Citizen Kane: The Essential Bernard Herrmann Film Music Collection
- -
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:09:00 +1000
From: "Julian" <jcurwin@hartingdale.com.au>
Subject: Re: bernard herrmann
> does anyone here know much about Bernard Herrmann? Soundtracks mostly, > i
think....taxi driver, vertigo, north by northwest. whats worthwhile, whats
not?
Yep, he did a good handful of Hitchcock's films, plus Taxi Driver, Cape
Fear, Citizen Kane... I think these are his most famous, and I'd say most of
his stuff (well at least the stuff mentioned above) is worthwhile...
- -
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:13:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <yol@esophagus.com>
Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (and a new, similarly geeky topic)
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Steve Smith wrote:
> New question: We've all heard or read stories where someone would say "I used
> to buy everything on [insert label name here] just because I knew I could
> depend on it being interesting." Does anyone out there in Zornlistland
> actually do this? What label(s)? And why?
oooo, good question.
streamline
i've always been a fan of nurse with wound and hnas and when
heemann started off this label with releases by mimir,
kenji haino, limpe fuchs etc i was hooked.
perdition plastics
initially i bought it for the thymme jones solo disc
"while" and was suitably impressed. serious nod to
charlemange palestine but with his own twist using
layers of pianos. the rest of the catalog is equally
stunning.
omplatten
three of the best os mutantes releases, monks, ssab songs
and bjorn olsson. all excellent, and a bit eccelectic
in the coverage. looking forward to more.
tzadik
i really enjoy the radical jewish music series,
and the zorn re-issues. it's astounding how much has
been released to date. unfortunately, i just
couldn't keep up with the pace. if i ever win the lottery,
maybe i'll be able to pick up where i left off.
limited sedition
a label i'd like to eventually get my hands on everything.
i have a handfull of his discs and they are all excellent.
equally impressive is the absolute diy approach not
matched since crass' own label.
hasta.
Yes. Beautiful, wonderful nature. Hear it sing to us: *snap* Yes. natURE.
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