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Zorn List Digest       Monday, October 23 2000       Volume 03 : Number 134



In this issue:
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       Re: What was I thinking? (and a new, similarly geeky topic)
       Re: NYC concert: Dresser/Howard/Kimura/Ulrich
       Howard Riley/Oxley/Guy Trio on Emanem
       Bernard Herrmann and Ron Mann.
       Re: riley/oxley/guy
       Re: What was I thinking? (and a new, similarly geeky topic)
       Re: Rozie question
       Re: Gⁿnter Mⁿller/LΩ Quan Ninh
       =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20G=FCnter=20M=FCller/L=EA=20Quan=20Ninh?=
       Re: Gⁿnter Mⁿller/LΩ Quan Ninh
       Re: What was I thinking? (a return comment about a zappa remark)
       Re: bernard herrmann
       Re: bernard herrmann
       review request and the "whole sound" genre
       favourite soundtracks
       Re: favourite soundtracks
       Internet Radios
       Re: favourite soundtracks
       Re: favourite soundtracks
       Re: favourite soundtracks
       Odp: favourite soundtracks
       Re: Internet Radios
       Re: favourite soundtracks
       glass "mishima" (was: favourite soundtracks)
       Re: musicians on film

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:41:45 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (and a new, similarly geeky topic)

In a message dated 10/23/00 12:26:15 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< streamline
i've always been a fan of nurse with wound and hnas and when
heemann started off this label with releases by mimir,
kenji haino, limpe fuchs etc i was hooked. >>

yeah, the first incarnation of Streamline (1001-1011) had some amazing,
amazing releases (my favorite is probably Intersystems-Free Psychedelic
Poster Inside, but all 11 are really good to great, except maybe the Haino.)
since it restarted after a long break a year or so ago, I think the quality
level has dropped way off. the second Limpe Fuchs CD is much less interesting
than the first one, at least to my ears. more info on both incarnations at:

www.anomalousrecords.com/Streamline/index2.html

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:55:55 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: NYC concert: Dresser/Howard/Kimura/Ulrich

[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 10/22/00 10:35:02 PM, Drivymovie writes:
>
> << Are you sure it is Tomas Ulrich playing cello?[snip]
>
> yup, according to Earl, it's Ulrich. Takeishi cancelled.

I also just got an e-mail spam from Mark Dresser himself confirming this.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:01:39 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Howard Riley/Oxley/Guy Trio on Emanem

In a message dated 10/23/00 12:16:52 AM, you wrote:
<< n.p.: Howard Riley/Oxley/Guy Trio on Emanem >>
how is this? how does it compare to Flight (FMR), same trio from a couple
years earlier? are Oxley's electronics prominent at all?
>>
hi jon
im not familiar with the earlier one, but this is a fab disc.
the electronics are clearly a part of the fabric, but
so well blended in with the free playing,
which is from graphic or directed scores.
i love it.  my review will be in jazzweekly.com next week.
speaking of fmr, any word on the 10cd cecil t set?
steve koenig
n.p.: Change: "The Glow Of Love" 12" extended dj only

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:34:08 -0400
From: Taylor McLaren <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bernard Herrmann and Ron Mann.

MEEP! [e-mail] wrote:
>does anyone here know much about Bernard Herrmann?  [GNANG!]
>whats worthwhile, whats not?
Probably one of the easiest compilations of his work to find would be the
Silva Screen effort, _Torn Curtain: The Classic Film Music of Bernard
Nerrmann_ (from 1995 or so). It contains a good range of material from a
dozen or so fims, including a really fun assortment of stuff from a bunch
of Ray Harryhausen fantasies... and it's cheap, too, which is what sold me
on it shortly after I decided that I loved the music from Vertigo.
  I find that it's a lot of fun, by the way, to watch Martin Scorsese's
remake of Cape Fear once you're at least remotely familiar with the
appearance and music of the original... Elmer Bernstein's arrangement of
Herrmann's score is almost identical in its stylistic tweaking to
Scorsese's nip-and-tuck treatments.

...and [e-mail] wrote:
>The director(Mann?) became famous for his recent "Grass"
>movie so his earlier movies or documentaries were reissued.  He has a beat
>poet video out also.
Poetry in Motion isn't so much a beat compilation as it is what the title
suggests... a bunch of fairly kinetic or emotive spoken-word performances
captured on film (though Burroughs, Ginsberg, and Giorno *do* show up for
their mandatory contributions). It's probably worth seeing, though, for the
bits by Amiri Baraka (something of a Bob Marley tribute backed up by tenor
sax and drum kit) and Ed Sanders (spoken word coupled with miniature
hand-held or tie-mounted synth gear); other Big Names include Tom Waits,
John Cage, Charles Bukowski, and Jim Carroll.

- -me


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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:37:47 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: riley/oxley/guy

re: riley/oxley/guy,

all the discs are sick, though very different. the new one on Emanem is the
best for me because the production and sound are so great, and the playing is
very 'out.'  it's fun for me to try and guess what the graphic cues and
notation could have been like for these pieces.... also the Sony reissues
don't have Oxley. I'm forgetting the drummer's name now.... anyone interested
in the development of the double-bass in free music should be obsessed with
Barry Guy's innovations. and digging him on his debut recording from 1968
(around 18 to 20 years old) puts most modern "bass heroes" to shame...

Cheers,
Dave

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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:10:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: SUGAR in their vitamins? <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (and a new, similarly geeky topic)

On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 [e-mail] wrote:

> Poster Inside, but all 11 are really good to great, except maybe the Haino.)

yeah, the haino isn't quite what it could have been.
but the rest have been quite good.
i'm also glad to see there's been some vinyl
coming out as well. the mirror, mimir and
andrew chalk have all be stellar. i just
got the ora double lp, but haven't had a chance
to listen as of yet.
i'm not sure what the value is of re-issuing
thunder perfect mind on vinyl, but hey, diff'rent strokes!

hasta.

Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.


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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:00:58 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Rozie question

Two additions for Rick Rozie:

Anthony Davis / Hidden Voices (1979)
Muhal Richard Abrams / View From Within (1984)

I don┤t think Lee is on Decoding Society┤s Mandance or Taboo but I don┤t
have the latter.

Andreas

>From: "George Scala" <[e-mail]>
>
>Here's a quick Rozie discography from the Lord cd-rom.  any others?

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:35:45 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Gⁿnter Mⁿller/LΩ Quan Ninh

>From: [e-mail]
>
>Mⁿller and Ninh first met and played together in 1988, and have
>occasionally
>performed together since, most notably in the quartet Plugged in Zeit Reel
>with Jim O'Rourke and J.A. Deane.

I┤ve seen this quartet some years ago at the Nickelsdorf festival and was
really impressed. Are there any recordings?

Andreas
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:56:15 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20G=FCnter=20M=FCller/L=EA=20Quan=20Ninh?=

In a message dated 10/23/00 3:36:06 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I=B4ve seen this quartet some years ago at the Nickelsdorf festival and w=
as=20
really impressed. Are there any recordings? >>

nope, the only other recording I know of with both Muller and Ninh is Butch=20
Morris' Conduction 22 (New World). the quartet performance you saw of Plugge=
d=20
In Zeit Reel was one of only four they did, Montreuil and Vandoeuvre in 1996=
,=20
and Berlin and Nickelsdorf in 1997. Muller and Ninh haven't even played=20
together since 1997, let alone recorded, until the sessions for La Voyelle=20
Liquide took place in January 2000.=20

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:06:42 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Gⁿnter Mⁿller/LΩ Quan Ninh

thanks for the prompt answer - Erstwhile never sleeps!

Andreas
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:17:43 GMT+0100
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What was I thinking? (a return comment about a zappa remark)

> ... and Mike Keneally (mike is the man) all on one stage.    i am >
going
> to stop before i turn this into a sales pitch for mike keneally albums
> (www.keneally.com)  <----GO THERE!!!!

Keneally indeed is THE MAN. The way he took over Zappa's role at
the Zappa's Universe show (watch the video instead of listening to
the album) is breathtaking. Listen to ' Jazz Discharge Party Hats'
and get convinced..

His soloalbums 'Hat' and 'Boil That Dust Speck' are very enjoyable
music- and humorwise and his liverecord with Beer for Dolphins
includes some very nice snippets of the in-the-studio-process.

Jeroen


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Munnekeholm 10, 9711JA Groningen
The Netherlands
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:01:58 CEST
From: "Marius Ergo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: bernard herrmann

>From: [e-mail]
>does anyone here know much about Bernard Herrmann? whats worthwhile, whats
>not?
>thanks.

Any Herrmann recommendations-list is not complete without the psycho
soundtrack. This is mandatory Herrmann.
A good compilation to start with, if you're not all that familiar with
Herrmann, is Alfred Hitchcock: Signatures in Suspence. I forget the name of
the label, but it has a lot of nice Herrmann things, including a suite of
the psycho themes, and some stuff that has not been released before.
Signatures in Suspence also has a lot of other great cuts from superb
composers, including a cue by Franz Waxman called "Jukebox#5". This is
excellent stuff. The psycho suite, "A Narrative for Orchestra", is a bit
slower and slides along  smoother than the original soundtrack. But still i
enjoy the original the most, because of the dodgy sound quality, and the
general charm of O.S.T. recording.


Check out www.bernardherrmann.org which is a great resource site for
Herrmann fans.

- - Marius

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:40:36 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: bernard herrmann

In a message dated 10/22/00 10:58:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< does anyone here know much about Bernard Herrmann? Soundtracks mostly, i
 think....taxi driver, vertigo, north by northwest.
 whats worthwhile, whats not?
 thanks.

 ben (breeder of polyhedra) >>


A good place to start is his Hitchcock disc.  It features stuff from Psycho,
Vertigo, and North By Noorthwest.

Tom

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perhaps in music, because that art contains no material
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and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses.

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:01:18 -0400
From: David Keffer <[e-mail]>
Subject: review request and the "whole sound" genre

Hello,

When somebody on the list hears the new Derek Bailey record, "String
Theory" on Paratactile, can you post a review?  Thanks.  There is an arty
blurb about it posted on the Forced Exposure site that I does not give me a
clear picture of what is going on.

In fact this blurb refers to something called the "whole sound", as if it
were a sub-genre of experimental music.  Anybody hip to the definition of
"whole sound" music?

David "gotta keep up with the kids' lingo" K.



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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:40:50 CEST
From: "Marius Ergo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: favourite soundtracks

Since we now are on the subject of soundtracks, I thought it'd be a good
idea to share our favourite soundtrack albums.
Here are mine:

Vertigo(Bernard Herrmann)
Psycho (Bernard Herrmann)
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (Ennio Morricone)
Once Upon a Time in the West (Ennio Morricone)
Metropolis (Unknown... one of the many soundtracks produced for this film, I
have no idea who wrote it)
Philip Glass' newly composed score for the 1931 Dracula movie is also a
favourite.

Speaking of Glass and scores, has anybody heard his score for the film
Mishima? If so, how is it? Is it any good?
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:46:49 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks

On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:40:50 CEST  "Marius Ergo" wrote:
>
> Since we now are on the subject of soundtracks, I thought it'd be a good
> idea to share our favourite soundtrack albums.
> Here are mine:

THE DRAUGHTSMAN CONTRACT: Michael Nyman

    Patrice.

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:49:53 +0200
From: "Diego Gruber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Internet Radios

Greetings zornlisters,

I finally have a fast enough internet connection to listen to radios on the
web, what are the best radios you've found? what are the best websites with
real audio music programs or stuff like that (like Herb Levy's mappings, for
example)?

Thanks for the info,

Diego


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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:48:40 -0700
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks

Bad Timing, A Sensual Obsession
Lost Highway
Paris, Texas


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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:56:39 -0700
From: Tosh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks

Personally I think Mishima is the best piece of music by Glass.  It is the
first thing I heard by Glass  - which caused me to investigate his other
works.


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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:19:53 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks

On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 04:40:50PM +0200, Marius Ergo wrote:
> Since we now are on the subject of soundtracks, I thought it'd be a good
> idea to share our favourite soundtrack albums.

The one that immediately jumps to mind is Howard Shore and Ornette
Coleman's "Naked Lunch", with Miles Davis and Marcus Miller's "Siesta"
a close second.

> Speaking of Glass and scores, has anybody heard his score for the film
> Mishima? If so, how is it? Is it any good?

I really liked it, though it's been years since I've heard it.

np. Theo Bleckmann/John Hollenbeck: Static Still

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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:01:22 +0200
From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: favourite soundtracks

- ----- Wiadomo=B6=E6 oryginalna -----
Od: "Marius Ergo" <[e-mail]>
Do: <[e-mail]>
Wys=B3ano: 23 pa=BCdziernika 2000 18:40
Temat: favourite soundtracks


| Since we now are on the subject of soundtracks, I thought it'd be a goo=
d
| idea to share our favourite soundtrack albums.
| Here are mine:
|

And mine are:

Queen Margot - Goran Bregovic
Double Vie de la Veronique - Zbigniew Preisner
Twin Peaks - Angelo Badalamenti
Once Upon A Time in America - Ennio Morricone
Godfather - Nino Rota
Arizona Dream - Goran Bregovic


Jerzy



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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:09:19 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Internet Radios

Try WFMU and WREK, both of interest to Zornlisters.  They both have archived shows as well as live streaming (RealAudio and MP3).

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 02:16:01 +1000
From: "Julian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: favourite soundtracks

> Since we now are on the subject of soundtracks, I thought it'd be a good
> idea to share our favourite soundtrack albums.

Bird With The Crystal Plumage - Ennio Morricone
Once Upon A Time In America - Ennio Morricone
Twin Peaks - Angelo Badalamenti
Contempt - Georges Delerue (the music that is, not the album)
and less consistent soundtracks but with good bits:
A Clockwork Orange - Walter Carlos/Beethoven/Purcell/etc.
The Cook, The Thief... - Michael Nyman
The Usual Suspects - John Ottman
Fargo - Carter Burwell


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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:31:15 +0200
From: patRice <[e-mail]>
Subject: glass "mishima" (was: favourite soundtracks)

Marius Ergo wrote:

> Speaking of Glass and scores, has anybody heard his score for the film
> Mishima? If so, how is it? Is it any good?-

i'm not very familiar with glass' output.

what i wonder though about "mishima": does it have anything to do with th=
e
japanese write yukio mishima?

thanks for your help.

patRice

np: fran=E7ois k, fk-ep, wave
nr: don ed hardy, tattootime


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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:46:02 CEST
From: "Andreas Dietz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: musicians on film

Nobody mentioned the outstanding STEP ACROSS THE BORDER (1989) by Nicolas
Humbert featuring Fred Frith with contributions by Zorn, Cora, Lindsay, Iva
Bittova, Rene Lussier and many others. This weekend a small German TV
station was broadcasting this movie at 2 in the morning - the time
avantgarde fans are most active.

Andreas
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