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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, October 10 2000 Volume 03 : Number 108
In this issue:
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James Blood Ulmer band: who?
traditional greek music
Fans of Wayne Horvitz?
Re: traditional greek music
MERZBOW (Austin, TX Oct. 21)
Re: Fans of Wayne Horvitz?/Friend of Tim Young
taj
Re: taj
jon rose/alvin curran
unheard music
flamenco (no Zorn)
Re[2]: taj
Tim Young with Eyvind Kang
Tim Sparks
Re: flamenco (no Zorn)
pfMENTUM Newsletter dies...
Re: unheard music
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:05:15 GMT
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: James Blood Ulmer band: who?
Hello,
Does anybody know who James Blood Ulmer is playing with at the moment? He is
touring Europe later this month and I might have a change to see him, so I'm
curious about his current lineup.
Thanks,
ARTHUR_G
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:18:29 +0200
From: patRice <gda@datacomm.ch>
Subject: traditional greek music
hi y'all,
just got another cd from the "wdr / world network" series that i can
wholeheartedly recommend.
vol. 46 "greece/epirus": petro-loukas chalkias & kompania
on clarinet, violon, lute and defi they play traditional shepherd tunes,
traditional dances, music for festivities, and the likes. all pieces are
slow instrumentals, sometimes reminding me of klezmer.
if you're into traditional greek music, check this cd out.
patRice
np: john coltrane, transitions
nr: eiji yoshikawa, musashi
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:59:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fans of Wayne Horvitz?
Wayne Horvitz's latest album "American Bandstand"
is quite amazing. His compositions seem to be getting
much stronger as the years pass by. This album
features the Zony Mash band in an acoustic setting
with beautiful melodies flying all over the place.
I've got all 3 Zony Mash recordings, but this album is
stronger that all of them... although it's not
considered a Zony Mash release really.
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:45:23 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: Re: traditional greek music
patRice wrote:
> if you're into traditional greek music, check this cd out.
I don't know about traditional Greek music, but I think it's a pretty
safe assumption that most everyone here is into traditional Geek music!
Brian Olewnick
NP: Bengt Berger - Bitter Funeral Beer (an all-time classic!)
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:07:10 -0500
From: pedro moreno <carbuncle@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: MERZBOW (Austin, TX Oct. 21)
Merzbow in a rare Texas performance. October 21, 2000. Austin Texas.
Cinematexas 5: 2000 international short film and video festival
this will be the only North American concert on this tour.
for more info consult
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~cinematx/schedule.html
Please forward
Pedro Moreno
Epistrophy Arts
http://www.independentaustin.com/epistrophy.html
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:25:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Diaz <samsarasound@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fans of Wayne Horvitz?/Friend of Tim Young
Theo,
Great band, great compositions/improvisations...
Amazing guitarist. I had the luck to play with Tim
Young, and while I've found my trumpet doesn't match
up with guitarists that easily, he has the golden ear.
He can comp immediately, and has an almost spaztic,
splendid rhythmic intuition. Look for his work with
Eyvind Kang in Chunky Wedgies if you can find it, or
recently with Dying Ground if its out there.
Also, Wayne did some work with Reggie Watts (keyboard)
that is good to the ear.
andydiaz
- --- Theo Klaase <river_of_dogs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wayne Horvitz's latest album "American
> Bandstand"
> is quite amazing. His compositions seem to be
> getting
> much stronger as the years pass by. This album
> features the Zony Mash band in an acoustic setting
> with beautiful melodies flying all over the place.
> I've got all 3 Zony Mash recordings, but this album
> is
> stronger that all of them... although it's not
> considered a Zony Mash release really.
>
> =====
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> hello milky
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:11:43 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: taj
Friedrich:
I heard a Taj Mahal concert in Berlin last thursday and was quite
dissapointed about the boaring performance
with a lausy guitarplayer in a low quality blues band.
yeah, taj mahal travellers is what the previous poster meant, but let me step in
on behalf of the other taj. his blues band stuff is maybe his best known, which
is a shame because it is easily his least interesting (something like james
blood's dichotomy). live and solo he's at his best, meandering, losing key and
tempo, and then finding a familiar groove again. he can be almost fahey like in
his expansive explorations of folk themes. he's done more good records than i
can name here, and more boring records than i know the names of, but generally
his earlier records are probably better. the natch'l blues, the ol' folks at
home, the real thing. the disc that came out with toumani diabate(sp) a couple
years back is really, really sweet.
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:23:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: taj
IMHO some of Taj's best work is as a "sideman" on two
cuts of Bob Stewart's Then & Now on Postcards. Of
course the rest of ther session is pretty good too
since Bob is one of the best modern tuba players.
Ken Waxman
- --- kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
but let me step in
> on behalf of the other taj. his blues band stuff is
> maybe his best known, which
> is a shame because it is easily his least
> interesting. he's done
> more good records than i
> can name here, and more boring records than i know
> the names of, but generally
> his earlier records are probably better.
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:23:23 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: jon rose/alvin curran
my fascination with jon rose multiplied fourfold last weekend when i saw his
duet with alvin curran at tonic. i've got a half dozen or more records, many the
great "radio play" things he produces, but i've never seen a great gig with him
before. (once with an uninspired pick-up band and once at the old alterknit
where he and the sound guy were fighting so much that rose threw a chair across
the stage and the sound guy turned on the lights, ending the set. the sound was
horrible, too. gotta love the knit.)
rose is just such a great violinist, from his bowed lines to feedback loops and
heavy distortion. curran set up a wide array of sampled settings for rose to
react to and contend with, which he always did with dexterity and some humor.
curran, unfortunately, was pretty boring, repeating himself, not seeming to lead
anywhere and not seeming to listen to rose. i got the impression that a few
times rose was trying to introduce quiet segments, but curran plowed along, eyes
closed, pounding out his car screeches and broken glass and whatnot.
rose is playing at tonic weds and sat and at roulette the following sat, for
anyone in the nyc area.
also caught david watson's guitar army, another part of the 2-week 'strung
festival' rose is curating at tonic. watson on guitar (no bagpipes) with dean
roberts, alan licht, david first, roger klier and a fellow whose name i didn't
get. really nice, heavy overtones with turns soloing. pretty ethereal -- watson
was the only one who kicked the overtones into overdrive.
ok, since i'm talking, tronzo trio at the cooler last night. tronzo is so great,
all three of them are (stomu takeishi on bass and kenny wollenson on drums). he
said they have a new disc coming out around the end of the year, too.
kg
np: john fahey - the return of the repressed
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:30:56 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: unheard music
oh, yeah, and someone asked about atavistic's new unheard music releases. i'll
be reviewing them for the paper here sometime soon, but here's a quick rundown.
han bennink - nerve beats: han's solo stuff doesn't always work. this one does.
i guess it's some of his earlier forays into expanding his ideas of percussion
(it's from 1973). very enjoyable.
sven-ake johansson - schlingerland/dynamische schwingungen: this is what you
fear from a solo drum record. prolonged sonic experiments that never go anywhere
and kind of amount to so many minutes of undeveloped rumble. maybe innovative in
1972, but bored me. i think i recall someone here praising it, tho.
leo cuypers - heavy days are here again: the title says it all. great stuff. w/
willem breuker, han bennink and arjen gorter.
nachtluft - belle-view i-iv: pretty interesting electroacoustic inventions from
1986. need to listen more.
schlippenbach quartet - hunting the snake: a little more on the traditional
theme-oriented side, but strong playing from evan parker, peter kowald and paul
lovens. not as exciting, i guess, as the cuypers title, to compare the two jazz
group releases.
haven't heard the joe mcphee from this series, but it sounds interesting.
opinions?
kg
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:36:32 GMT
From: "Kristy Shugg" <kshugg@hotmail.com>
Subject: flamenco (no Zorn)
Since reading the section about Flamenco in Derek Bailey's book on
improvisation, I've been trying to track down some good recordings -
particularly Flamenco guitar. Any suggestions for a slightly overwhelmed
list-member just back from a bewildering trip to local large record store?
I _have_ found one excellent older recording - Paco Ibanez performing songs
based on poems by Lorca (picked up at Crocodisc in Paris, my personal
record-buying mecca. Never bewildering.)
thanks,
Kristy
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:36:11 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: Re[2]: taj
Iwaxman'sHO:
some of Taj's best work is as a "sideman" on two
cuts of Bob Stewart's Then & Now on Postcards. Of
course the rest of ther session is pretty good too
since Bob is one of the best modern tuba player
wow, no agreement here. stewart is great, and shows up as part of the tuba
quartet on taj's 'the real thing' (which has just been reissued on cd). his
playing with lester bowie's brass fantasy and in a sadly unrecorded duo with the
great dave burrell is stellar. but the postcards disc i just found boring and
uninspired. oh well.
kg
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:56:34 GMT
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tim Young with Eyvind Kang
Hey,
>Look for his work with Eyvind Kang in Chunky Wedgies if you can find >it,
What's this? Who else is in this band and did they release anything?
Is there a Eyvind Kang discography somewhere?
ARTHUR_G
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:59:16 GMT
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tim Sparks
Hello,
Has anybody heard the new Tim Sparks CD on tzadik? The first one was
amazing, one of the best solo guitar discs I have ever heard.
And respect to Tim for releasing on Tzadik. I see he also has some releases
on what seems to be kind of New-Age labels, where I'm sure he could make a
lot more money.
ARTHUR_G
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:42:40 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <Pascal.Cortes@dstu.univ-montp2.fr>
Subject: Re: flamenco (no Zorn)
I'm not deeply into flamenco these days, but if I remember well what I
heard, I would not call Paco Iba=F1ez music flamenco.... even if it has some
flamenco influences at times... But I may be wrong.
Well.... among the few flamenco artists I've heard, I would recommend:
For instrumental flamenco (guitar solo):
- Pedro Soler. Thoughtful, modern flamenco guitarist. Everything but
flashy, a lot of personality and of harmonic invention... He has a few
albums on the french label "Al Sur", including a really worthwhile album
called "Sombras" (seems to be easy to found).
- Paco De Lucia "Siroco". Much more flashy, of course, but this album is
his closest to Flamenco Puro, and his best IMHO. I still love it after all
these years. Impressive AND good. (should be found everywhere).
But, because the real expression of flamenco is not instrumental, but also
sung, I would also recommend:
- Guitarist Pedro Bacan. He has several albums out, whether accompanying
Ines Bacan (voc), ("De viva voz", on the label ETHNIC) or with his whole
family, singing, dancing, clapping hands and shouting at times ("Pedro
Bacan et le clan des Pinini en public =E0 Bobigny" on the label Pee Wee).
- Flamenco legend Camaron (voc) has also some nice albums, with Tomatito
on guitar ("Flamenco Vivo" -Polygram Spain- is great and should be
available everywhere).
Other renowned guistarists (I don't really know) are:=20
- - in the tradition: Ramon Montoya, Paco Pe=F1a... =20
- - experimenting with jazz/rock/world: Tomatito, Sabicas....
Other renowned singers:
Agujetas, Chocolate, Ines Bacan...
So, that was my personnal list: Pedro Bacan, Pedro Soler, Paco De Lucia,
Camaron w/Tomatito...
I hope someone will come with other suggestions and even complaints about
this list, as I would like to know more about the flamenco masters, too.
Pascal.
(np: nothing, but this morning I had Lakshmi Shankar "Les heures et les
saisons" -Ocora-)
=20
At 15:36 10/10/00 GMT, Kristy Shugg wrote:
>Since reading the section about Flamenco in Derek Bailey's book on=20
>improvisation, I've been trying to track down some good recordings -=20
>particularly Flamenco guitar. Any suggestions for a slightly overwhelmed=
=20
>list-member just back from a bewildering trip to local large record store?
>
>I _have_ found one excellent older recording - Paco Ibanez performing songs=
=20
>based on poems by Lorca (picked up at Crocodisc in Paris, my personal=20
>record-buying mecca. Never bewildering.)
>
>thanks,
>Kristy
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:12:40 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: pfMENTUM Newsletter dies...
...but is born again as NewCreativeMusic.com
http://www.newcreativemusic.com/
Our "first" issue is out now and features Keith McMullen "interviewing" Han
Bennink, Jeff Kaiser discussing hierarchy, and CD reviews of Tobias Delius,
Han Bennink, Crib, Adam Lane, Todd Sickafoose, HIM and more...
For the full scoop read the following press release:
_________________
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Dear pfMENTUMites:
The pfMENTUM Newsletter is evolving into a new format with a new name and a
broader scope and purpose. From the home page of our new website,
NewCreativeMusic.com:
"This web site is dedicated to the furthering of New Creative Music, while
remembering and honoring its lineage.
More specifically, we are a forum to support, promote, and encourage
underrepresented forms of music such as creative improvised, creative
composed music, and electro-acoustic music.
We wish to provide an environment which will be an outlet and resource for
knowledgeable listeners, educational for new listeners, and provide
resources for artists."
We wish to accomplish this by:
1) Interviews and CD reviews posted by users and "staff."
2) Bibliography of books and magazines.
3) User posted concert announcements and reviews.
4) Discussion about the aesthetics of this music.
5) Building an excellent database of links about artists, venues, record
labels, etc.
It is just getting started. Any help with additional linkage, recommended
reading, submission of relevant articles and interviews, etc., would be
helpful.
Contact email: admin@pfmentum.com
Our address: http://www.newcreativemusic.com/
Thanks,
Jeff and Keith
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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:26:57 -0400
From: Eric Ong <eso200@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: unheard music
> oh, yeah, and someone asked about atavistic's new unheard music releases. i'll
> be reviewing them for the paper here sometime soon, but here's a quick
> rundown.
I had been waiting for someone to comment on these, so thank you Kurt. So
far I've only had a chance to listen to "nerve beats" (very rambunctious)
and "hunting the snake". The schlippenbach record is ok, perhaps I lose
interest after a half hour or so, but it certainly has some great moments.
Favorite parts are when one or two of the players suddenly just drop out and
Parker is left to respond quickly. I'd like to hear more about that
nachtluft record. Is it improv?
I seem to be buying more records than I have time to listen to these days,
but I have gotten around to "When Angels Speak of Love" and the FSA/White
Winged Moth/Main Mort Aux Vaches disc. I know there's no need for me to plug
this, but the Sun Ra disc is lovely, ending with a near-20 minute "next stop
mars" track. Gilmore's soloing is magnificent in general as well. The
FSA/Main/WWM disc is very laid-back with a kind of glacial drift feel. 6
tracks in total, 4 from FSA which basically amount to sad contemplative
acoustic guitar playing over soft drone. The Dean Roberts track is what I
expected, that shimmering guitar tinkle, like crystals vibrating really
fast. The Main track is the real standout though -- very musique concrete
sounding, reminded me of some pierre henri compositions.
- -eric.
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