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Zorn List Digest       Tuesday, October 10 2000       Volume 03 : Number 109



In this issue:
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       Re: Fans of Wayne Horvitz?
       Main/Comae (was unheard music)
       Tim Sparks
       Re: Main/Comae (was unheard music)
       Re: flamenco (no Zorn)
       re: traditional greek music
       Wayne / Zony
       Re: Fans of Wayne Horvitz?
       AMM gig?
       Odp: Odp: cool your jets, fogies
       Re: AMM gig?
       Re: Odp: Odp: cool your jets, fogies
       unsilent night 12/14 nyc
       Re: unsilent night 12/14 nyc
       Re: traditional greek music
       Re: Fans of Wayne Horvitz?/Friend of Tim Young + Tim Young with Eyvind Kang

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:32:38 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fans of Wayne Horvitz?

I agree.  I like the acoustic record.  But I have to gripe a little.

Why is zony mash getting so low key these days?  They seem to almost
half-time the music and play really mellow.  I remember the fist
record where they were uptempo a lot of the time.  I'm referring to
reccent live performances, mainly.

Dan Hewins




At 3:59 AM -0700 10/10/00, Theo Klaase wrote:
>      Wayne Horvitz's latest album "American Bandstand"
>is quite amazing.  His compositions seem to be getting
>much stronger as the years pass by.  This album
>features the Zony Mash band in an acoustic setting
>with beautiful melodies flying all over the place.
>I've got all 3 Zony Mash recordings, but this album is
>stronger that all of them... although it's not
>considered a Zony Mash release really.
>
>=====
>-That which is Theodorus    "Good bye sober day, hello milky
>way..."www.freeyellow.com/members7/theodorus/index.html
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
>http://mail.yahoo.com/
>
>-


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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:52:03 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Main/Comae (was unheard music)

In a message dated 10/10/00 2:43:01 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< The Main track is the real standout though -- very musique concrete
sounding, reminded me of some pierre henri compositions. >>

Robert Hampson, who is (was?) Main, played NYC last weekend in his new duo=20
project with turntablist Janek Schaefer, Comae. I saw them in the Knitactive=
=20
Sound Stage on Saturday night, and as always in that space, I was treated to=
=20
a basically private show (3 other people there). great space for fans,=20
terrible for musicians.=20

anyway, they were very good, they both had synths hooked up into each other=20
and were creating soundscapes not too far from Main, but filled with lots of=
=20
subtle electronic clicks and glitches. they have a CD out very soon on Rhiz.=
=20

the rest of their North American tour dates:

Oct 10th: Cleveland - Speak In Tongues

Oct 11th: Chicago - The Empty Bottle

Oct 12th: Chicago - Chicago Arts Institute

Oct 14th: Detroit - Detroit Contemporary Gallery=20

Oct 15th: Toronto - Ted's Wrecking Yard

Oct 16th: Montreal - Ex-Centris FCMM Festival=20

Oct 20th: Winnipeg - Send & Receive Festival [performance + Installation

with Martin T=E9treault]

Jon=20
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:55:11 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Tim Sparks

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If you liked Neshamah, then you'll definitely enjoy Tanz. Although Sparks
continues down familiar stylistic avenues, with Greg Cohen and Cyro on board
the album doesn't devolve into a rehash of previously stated ideas. Very
beautiful, dynamic, and overall quite mellow. Also like Neshamah, it walks
the fine border of new age music, but doesn't seem to be caught up in the
"baggage" (if you will) of that genre. This ain't no Ottmar, thank G-d!

Murray

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:57:42 -0400
From: Maurice Rickard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Main/Comae (was unheard music)

I just saw Comae last night (opening for Godspeed You Black Emperor!)
and they were _very_ impressive.  Great sculptural sense of sound,
and I thought the subsonic stuff was ingenious and amusing--great
timing.   Well worth checking out. GYBE were really good, too, but
Bardo Pond did little for me.

If it's any consolation about the number of people who saw them in
NYC, there was a hell of a turnout for GBYE last night, so a lot of
people got to see Comae...

- -Maurice

At 2:52 PM -0400 10/10/00, [e-mail] wrote:

>Robert Hampson, who is (was?) Main, played NYC last weekend in his new duo
>project with turntablist Janek Schaefer, Comae. I saw them in the Knitactive
>Sound Stage on Saturday night, and as always in that space, I was treated to
>a basically private show (3 other people there). great space for fans,
>terrible for musicians.
>
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:00:26 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: flamenco (no Zorn)

Ryko has (had?) an excellent V.A. compilation of new flamenco artists, I
think was titled _The New Flamenco_ , but don't carve that title into stone.
I remember the front cover had a picture of a young-looking guy with a
red-colored derby atop his dome, with guitar in hand.  Worth looking for, IMO.

- --
np: The Clayton Brothers- Siblingity (pretty much straight-ahead bop with a
swing-type approach)

=dg=

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:05:50 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: re: traditional greek music

Speaking of Greek music, do any of you know Floros Floridis?  I saw him play
in Detroit with Peter Kowald and Gunter Sommer for the first time last spring
and it was amazing.  He plays a free jazz that is totally informed by
traditional Greek music forms.  I tracked down one of his records, with
Kowald and a lyre player Ilios Papadopoulos, on the Greek Ano Kato label
(CAdence had it) and it is one eerie mindbender.

Jerry B.

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:14:02 -0400
From: "Bob Kowalski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Wayne / Zony

On the subject of Wayne Horvitz & Zony Mash, Theo wrote:
   Wayne Horvitz's latest album "American Bandstand"
is quite amazing....  ...This album features the Zony Mash=20
band in an acoustic setting...... although it's not considered=20
a Zony Mash release really."

I'm a huge fan of "American Bandstand" disc, as well as "4+1 Ensemble,"=20
"Monolouge" and Pigpen's "Miss Ann" discs too.  Any recommendations=20
for a Zony album from any Zornsters out there?

Happy listening=20
Bob

Recommendation of the day from own humble self:
Suzi Lee: "Blue" (singer from Boston band Slide went solo, singing sultry =
French over a theramin!)


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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:57:16 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Re: Fans of Wayne Horvitz?

>I agree.  I like the acoustic record.  But I have to gripe a little.

I just got the acoustic CD last weekend when Wayne & co. were in town. I
really like it, absolutely beutiful recording and performance.
>
>Why is zony mash getting so low key these days?  They seem to almost
>half-time the music and play really mellow.  I remember the fist
>record where they were uptempo a lot of the time.  I'm referring to
>reccent live performances, mainly.
>
Thats wierd, because my perspective has been that the later records,
particularly "Upper Egypt", have gotten mellower, while the live shows are
getting wilder. When I saw them here in Corvallis last Saturday, they were
perhaps the most consistantly intense of the probably 8-10 times I've seen
the band, Andy Roth in particular was wilder than I've ever seen.

>Dan Hewins
>
>
>
>
>At 3:59 AM -0700 10/10/00, Theo Klaase wrote:
>>      Wayne Horvitz's latest album "American Bandstand"
>>is quite amazing.  His compositions seem to be getting
>>much stronger as the years pass by.  This album
>>features the Zony Mash band in an acoustic setting
>>with beautiful melodies flying all over the place.
>>I've got all 3 Zony Mash recordings, but this album is
>>stronger that all of them... although it's not
>>considered a Zony Mash release really.
>>
>>=====
>>-That which is Theodorus    "Good bye sober day, hello milky
>>way..."www.freeyellow.com/members7/theodorus/index.html
>>
>>__________________________________________________
>>Do You Yahoo!?
>>Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
>>http://mail.yahoo.com/
>>
>>-
>
>
>-

____________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : [e-mail]
Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic
Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus-
____________________________________________



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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:51:06 -0700
From: Rich Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: AMM gig?

#;*4ould some kind soul repost the info for the  show in Boston.

- -

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:53:40 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Odp: cool your jets, fogies

From: <[e-mail]>
 > meanwhile, i'm now reading celine and spent last night and this morning

>> which one?

> journey to the end of the night. didn't they base an afternoon drama
serial on
> this book?

?!!!
What is an afternoon drama serial?

Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor


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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:40:59 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: AMM gig?

In a message dated 10/10/00 4:37:37 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< would some kind soul repost the info for the  show in Boston. >>

http://members.aol.com/Tautology3/Fest00sched.html

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:59:42 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: cool your jets, fogies

not really. sorry. i just think i'm funny. it would be good, though, wouldn't
it? journey to the edge of night? misanthropy in the afternoon?

kg
np: the dukes of stratosphear - chips from the chocolate fireball
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Odp: Odp: cool your jets, fogies
From:    "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]> at INTERNET-MAIL
Date:    10.10.2000  10:53 Uhr

From: <[e-mail]>
 > meanwhile, i'm now reading celine and spent last night and this morning

>> which one?

> journey to the end of the night. didn't they base an afternoon drama
serial on
> this book?

?!!!
What is an afternoon drama serial?

Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor





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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:05:09 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: unsilent night 12/14 nyc

allo --

i've never gone to one of phil kline's seasonal boombox symphonies, but i'm
planning to go this year. just got this msg from him. i've seen him perform
boombox pieces in the past, though. they're always fun. hey, maybe this would be
a good night for a zornlist/nyc happy hour as well (especially since KISS
doesn't seem to be announcing anything...)

as he says below, if you want to participate, get on the website and rsvp so he
knows how many will be there.

>>>

hi,
we'll be starting at near the arch in washington square at 7pm on sat dec
16. if you want to bring a boombox, let me know so i will have enough tapes
for everybody. (and tell friends, the more the better.)
thanks,
phil

there is also an unsilent night page on my website at

http://www.mindspring.com/~boombox/xmas.htm

> From: [e-mail]
> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:22:32 -0500
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Subject: boom before xmas



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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:22:31 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: unsilent night 12/14 nyc

this is actually the night of 12/16, not 12/14, as it says lower in the
message, just so there's no confusion.

anyone who's around for this might want to drop by Experimental Intermedia
the following afternoon to see the first (and last?) performance of my DJing
career, along with my friend Mike Goodstein. admission's either $4.99 or
free, not sure. description follows:

- --------------------------------
Jon Abbey and Michael Goodstein        DJ Sunday, 3 to 11pm 17

A listening experience comprised of carefully selected pieces from all

corners of the globe, both current and historical, and programmed

specifically to take full advantage of the superb EI audio system; at

times, multiple selections will be playing simultaneously; curated by Jon
Abbey of

Erstwhile Records and Michael Goodstein of WFMU
- ---------------------------------

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:11:37 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: traditional greek music

In a message dated 00-10-10 15:07:00 EDT, you write:
>Speaking of Greek music, do any of you know Floros Floridis?  I saw him play
>in Detroit with Peter Kowald and Gunter Sommer for the first time last spring
>and it was amazing.  He plays a free jazz that is totally informed by
>traditional Greek music forms.  I tracked down one of his records, with
>Kowald and a lyre player Ilios Papadopoulos, on the Greek Ano Kato label
>(CAdence had it) and it is one eerie mindbender.

And to continue "speaking of Greek music," if anyone has any leads on duo
recordings (with or without other musicians) by bouzouki players Kostas
Papadopoulos and L. Karnezi (actually, even if you know of recordings by
either of them without the other), please let me know. This is an
extraordinary duo, in terms of the sound they produce and their facility.
They do mainly traditional Greek music. Outside Greece, they are best known
for their work on the Theodorakis early-60s soundtrack to Zorba the Greek
(the movie, not the b'way play). Though they are well-known in Greece,
documentation on Greek recordings is often terrible, and so it is hard to
track down their recordings.

Dave Royko

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:29:35 -0700
From: "James Kirchmer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fans of Wayne Horvitz?/Friend of Tim Young + Tim Young with Eyvind Kang

> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:25:57 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Andy Diaz <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Fans of Wayne Horvitz?/Friend of Tim Young
>
> Theo,
>
> Great band, great compositions/improvisations...
>
> Amazing guitarist. I had the luck to play with Tim
> Young, and while I've found my trumpet doesn't match
> up with guitarists that easily, he has the golden ear.
> He can comp immediately, and has an almost spaztic,
> splendid rhythmic intuition. Look for his work with
> Eyvind Kang in Chunky Wedgies if you can find it, or
> recently with Dying Ground if its out there.
>
> Also, Wayne did some work with Reggie Watts (keyboard)
> that is good to the ear.
> andydiaz

hi from Seattle -
    first, as far as CHUNKY WEDGIES goes, they put out
a tape that is out of print (Eyvind probably has the master -
and good luck finding it, it is VERY rare.....mainly just sold
at shows, etc.) and were bootlegged in concert numerous
times by a few die hard "tapers" around here......
    also, according to Tim, his work with Dying Ground has
not been part of any official album releases yet - but he
said it is quite possible that they will put together and release
some of the stuff they've got in the can later this year or so....
    secondly, the work Wayne has done with Reggie Watts
(of "Maktub" and "Slow Ride" - two Seattle-based bands...)
is indeed great.  The band is called:
    WAYNE HORVITZ's 4+1 ENSEMBLE.
also in the band is Eyvind Kang, Julian Priester (trombone,
ex-Sun Ra, ex-Duke Ellington, longtime master....), and
Tucker Martine on processing (he taps into everyone's
signal as needed....he is an omniscient effects overseer,
so to speak) and electronics/effects (I love it when he makes
Wayne's piano sound like it's emanating off a scratchy 78....)

Lastly, having just spoken to Tim Young (yes, I agree, he
is indeed an amazing player, really confident & coming into his
own right now.....) today regarding some booking issues for his
*fabulous* VERY SPECIAL FORCES band (after reading the
above email) I am happy to pass along a heartfelt "HI THERE"
    (from Tim to Andy Diaz)

    LASTLY - some regional NW USA SHOW NEWS:
                    (fwd it to friends!)
ALL YOU FOLKS Livin' 'ROUND SEATTLE NOTE AS WELL
that Tim Young's VERY SPECIAL FORCES band will
be playing a very special concert on Friday, October 20th
at The Rainbow (722 NE 45th St., near I-5 - only $6!!!). Fans
of The Boredoms, Naked City, Zappa, and Ween take note of
VERY SPECIAL FORCES as they combine wild vocals
(singer Brad Mowen used to do Yamatsuka Eye's parts
whenever Wayne Horvitz decided it was time for a Seattle
based Naked City tribute set.....while his band PIGPEN
was active.....) and STELLAR, ***ROCKIN'*** musicianship
with a healthy & crazy sense of humor. Nearly anything goes.
    The end results are HIGHLY entertaining.
    (they do a nice version of "In My Room" btw....by B. Wilson)
If you don't live around here, check out their budding
website at www.veryspecialforces.com - (mp3's!!!) & note as well
that the opening act on 10/20 is "Honey" - a new band
that features all of Very Special Forces (minus the drummer,
Evan Schiller, formerly of Sadhappy - replaced by Andy Roth
of Zony Mash) backing two female singers. (wacky pop stuff....)
- - Speaking of Zony Mash, they played the Rainbow on Sun 10/8 -
    a good show - do NOT miss these guys next time they tour,
    they are totally on top of their shit - and kickin' ass LIVE....

Lastly, the following night, Sat. Oct. 21st, note that Eyvind &
Tim Young play the Rainbow yet again - with a surreal seventies-
- -influenced avant-hare-krishna trance-breeze-pop cafe-improv cult
                            called:
        LOS PARASITOS ("the parasites" in spanish)
Eyvind sings and plays acoustic guitar in this band - and it stars,
once again, most of Very Special Forces - and a few groupies.
***note that they open for Nausea Trois, featuring saxophonist
Skerik, bassist Paul Hinklin (ex-Sadhappy), and drummer Mike
Stone (ex-Pigpen, currently with Skerik in Crack Sabbath -
also may be joining "Thee Old Codgers" - led by Danny Barnes.)

> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:56:34 GMT
> From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Tim Young with Eyvind Kang
>
> Is there a Eyvind Kang discography somewhere?

Not that I know of.  Have you bought his latest on Tzadik yet?
    ("Story of Iceland" or something like that......)
        Heard it at a friend's house, really dig it.

Ciao for now,
JLK - Seattle, WA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       James Kirchmer
  [e-mail]
1008 E. Republican St., #3
 Seattle, WA  98102-5018
322-1783 (H) 664-1086 (Fax)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       Fela Anikulapo Kuti =
"He who emanates greatness,
who has control over death, &
who cannot be killed by man."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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