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Zorn List Digest       Tuesday, October 10 2000       Volume 03 : Number 107



In this issue:
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       Re: Odp: masada in prague
       ||| Satoko Fujji |||
       Re: News for Lulu
       taj mahal travellers
       Re: stock, hausen, & walkman
       Heretic
       Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #106
       Re: Lopez
       Re: News for Lulu
       Unheard Music Series
       Chango Spasiuk
       Odp: Zorn List Digest V3 #106
       matt'n'sig'n'chad'n'susie'n'cyro'n'mat
       Re: Odp: cool your jets, fogies
       Re: taj mahal travellers
       Re: taj mahal travellers
       RE: Chango Spasiuk
       Augen Video
       Re: Cage Seasons
       Friday the 13th (No Zorn content)
       Re: taj mahal travellers
       Re: matt'n'sig'n'chad'n'susie'n'cyro'n'mat

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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:25:34 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Odp: masada in prague

Hello Marcin,

Sunday, October 08, 2000, you wrote to me:

>> year I was there and caught several Alternativa concerts including
>> Ruins. The sound is pretty good there and amphitheater rows let people
>> see everything on stage.
MG>     Do you know maybe wht other bands are playing the festival? thanks for
MG> your help,

There is no such information yet.

- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: [e-mail]
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/



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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 07:36:02 +0200
From: "Rob, the Belgian guy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ||| Satoko Fujji |||

Zorn-agains,

I'm really enjoying Satoko Fujji's "Toward To West". It's with Jim Black and
Mark Dresser. Powerfull and beautiful. I just had to share.


_ Rob ......<.....   ||
    http://www.frontstage.com/rob
   "The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening
     as the performer to playing".


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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:03:22 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: News for Lulu

I've see both Lulu discs at the Tower Records in Downtown Chicago so maybe if
you try Tower's web page:
http://www.towerrecords.com/
Both discs are wonderful and do a great justice to the hard bop era.


                                                Aaron Solomon



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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:54:12 +0200
From: "Sen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: taj mahal travellers

Has anyone on the list heard the Taj Mahal Travellers' Live in Stockholm 2
CD set? I already have the East Bionic Symphonia LP, which I adore, and the
"August 1974" 2CD, which is find just OK. Shall I love the Stockholm one?

Thanks in advance,

Best wishes,

Sen.


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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:07:00 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Bjoern Dirlack)
Subject: Re: stock, hausen, & walkman

Scott Handley schrieb:
> This is interesting and makes me wonder what S,H,&W are like?

Nervous, cut-up samples. The records are almost dancable, the concerts are more
rougher.
All is done with a big humour.
I recommend "Oh! What a bag!" (Hot Air)

Bjoern.


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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:10:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Heretic

heretic is my favorite Naked City record.
very moody and frightening, not song oriented like the other albums.


ben

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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:14:02 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V3 #106

In a message dated 10/8/00 1:46:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< a note on the contents of the disc: as marcin noted, it's all (free)
 improv.  what's nice is that the linup varies from track to track, so you
 get duos, trios, quartets, etc.  this provides a bit of variety to the
 proceedings. >>

I thought everything on Heretic was composed...i read that in either an
interview or commentary on the album.

ben

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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 21:24:00 -0400
From: Mathieu Belanger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Lopez

Hello,

>The Lopez concert I attended in Chattanooga, TN A few months ago was also
>mesmerizing. Loud, detailed sound with no feeling of threat or aggression.
>And absolutely no pain in the ears. Also, more than just my ears and head
>the sound also moved down into the chest area and then to the legs.

I could not feel the sound in my chest and legs, but the ground of the old
Darling Foundry was shaking a lot. The walls were also probably shaking, but
nothing fell from the 20 meters high ceiling!!

>Also that there was nothing to watch as far as his performance.

The same thing happened. However, they brought the concept further and
distributed some headband so that the audience would be blindfolded. To make
sure nobody would have something to look at, Lopez played under a kind of
tent made with a black sheet. By the way, anybody knows what he is using to
create these huge sound? I am curious to now what part of the sound is
associated with the silo.

Tschuss,

Mathieu


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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:43:46 -0400
From: Ian Farrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: News for Lulu

or try the downtown music gallery in manhattan...
they can get anything!
(bruce the owner is even part of the scene)
http://www.dtmgallery.com/

> From: [e-mail]
> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:03:22 EDT
> To: [e-mail]
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: News for Lulu
>
> I've see both Lulu discs at the Tower Records in Downtown Chicago so maybe if
> you try Tower's web page:
> http://www.towerrecords.com/
> Both discs are wonderful and do a great justice to the hard bop era.
>
>
> Aaron Solomon
>
>
>
> -
>


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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 03:34:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Les Henderson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Unheard Music Series

I was just wondering what other people on the list think about the Unheard
Music Series that is being released by Atavistic.  I just received the Han
Bennink album "Nerve Beats", Leo Cuypers' "Heavy Days Are Here Again",
Sven-Ake Johansson's "Schlingerland/dynamische Schwingungen".  I have only
had a chance to listen through most of the Bennink album, but I like it a
lot.  I personally enjoy both his record music and his performance with
antics, etc.  I have only seen him twice with ICP, but I liked his
performance as much as any of the other musicians, just a bit more comical
generally.  I would like to hear what other people on the list think of
these and other albums in the series.

BTW If people are still paying attentiion to the demographics stuff on the
list, I am a 21 year old male college student who mostly listens to rock
and jazz.

Les Henderson
[e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:06:56 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <[e-mail]>
Subject: Chango Spasiuk

Love this guy's work on Cyro Baptista's Avant release. According to AMG,
he's got a disc called "Polkas di Mi Tierra", which I'm guessing means
it's made up of Brazilian polkas. I need to hear this! Is anyone able to
provide further descriptions? Thanks. Um, I'm assuming Chango's a guy
from the pic in the Baptista disc, but I'm not absolutely sure, having
never encountered any Chango's and given the photo's vagueness. I'm also
assuming, surname notwithstanding, that (s)he's Brazilian.

Brian Olewnick

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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:30:34 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Zorn List Digest V3 #106

From: <[e-mail]>

> I thought everything on Heretic was composed...i read that in either an
> interview or commentary on the album.

I'm almost sure that you're not right. In the soundpieces interview JZ
speaks about the NC albms, and he mentions the improv one (which one if not
heretic?). In the sameinterview he speaks of torure garden as fully notated
music. So that's where the confusion may come from.
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:22:03 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: matt'n'sig'n'chad'n'susie'n'cyro'n'mat

>>Sigmund, no one wants you around here anymore.
>>No one here gets frustrated about differences of opinion.
>>We're all thornless roses around here you prick.

now that i know this was meant as a joke, it's funny!

>>I think there's a new cd out on Avant with Dr. Chad , Joe Morris, Mark
>>Dresser, and a drummer who's name I forgot.

that would be the great susie ibarra, who lends much to the set. pascal also
mentioned nping her 'flower after flower', which i'm yet to hear. any thougts?

>>BEAT THE DONKEY. should i spend the cat food money on it or not?

haven't heard the cd it it's out, but this is a live band no doubt! tonna fun.

Pascal also mentioned a mat maneri trio album of 'tone diali
ng' covers. i guess this means ornette. what is this? i'm unawares.

kg, who seeing a(nother) laswell war brewing is glad to know he'll be sitting it
out.



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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:23:15 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Odp: cool your jets, fogies

journey to the end of the night. didn't they base an afternoon drama serial on
this book?

kg
_______________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Odp: cool your jets, fogies
From:    "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]> at INTERNET-MAIL
Date:    06.10.2000  8:59 Uhr

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[e-mail]>

> meanwhile, i'm now reading celine and spent last night and this morning

which one?
Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]






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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:33:03 +0200
From: "Friedrich Kapitzke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: taj mahal travellers

I heard a Taj Mahal concert in Berlin last thursday and was quite
dissapointed  about the boaring performance
with a  lausy guitarplayer in a low quality blues band.
Friedrich.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Sen" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 9:54 PM
Subject: taj mahal travellers


> Has anyone on the list heard the Taj Mahal Travellers' Live in Stockholm 2
> CD set? I already have the East Bionic Symphonia LP, which I adore, and
the
> "August 1974" 2CD, which is find just OK. Shall I love the Stockholm one?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Sen.
>
>
> -
>
>



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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:30:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: taj mahal travellers

- --- Friedrich Kapitzke <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I heard a Taj Mahal concert in Berlin last thursday
> and was quite
> dissapointed  about the boaring performance
> with a  lausy guitarplayer in a low quality blues
> band.

Um...I think that's the blues singer Taj Mahal, not
the 70s Japanese psyche collective Taj Mahal
Travellers.  I very recently sprung for the STOCKHOLM
1971 disc, and I've listened to it only about once.
EVeryone I've talked to like AUGUST 1974 (P-Vine
re-issue) quite a bit more, so I'd venture to say
you'd be disappointed; but how can you tell?  The
whole album is almost two hours long, very much the
drone record.  Some remarkable moaning
(processed/delayed vocals), what sounds like extended
technique on a contrabasse, and assorted wind
instruments, etc.  The packaging is standard 2CD case,
but sucks (too low budget for the price).  Honestly, I
think your money would be better spent on some Morton
Feldman, but each to his own.  I just ordered AUGUST
1974 about a week ago, perversely; hope I like it.
(Damn! Compulsion.)

I went to see the cheeze-metal band Fiehouse years
ago; instead, the show was fIREHOSE with Mike Watt.  I
was scarred/changed for life.

- -----s, "Who are these freaks?!"

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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:44:08 -0300
From: "Hugo Linares" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Chango Spasiuk

Hi Brian and rest of Listmembers,



>Love this guy's work on Cyro Baptista's Avant release. According to AMG,
>he's got a disc called "Polkas di Mi Tierra", which I'm guessing means
>it's made up of Brazilian polkas. I need to hear this! Is anyone able to
>provide further descriptions? Thanks. Um, I'm assuming Chango's a guy
>from the pic in the Baptista disc, but I'm not absolutely sure, having
>never encountered any Chango's and given the photo's vagueness. I'm also
>assuming, surname notwithstanding, that (s)he's Brazilian.
>
>Brian Olewnick
>
>-
>

Spasiuk is a brilliant accordion player, who deserves a wider recognition.
"Polcas
de mi Tierra" was released on Acqua Records last year, and it's a fine and
rewarding recording.
Liner notes refers to "Polcas..." as "a reassesment of a century of Ucranian
immigrants folkmusic as seen within cultural context of the Province of
Misiones".
Spasiuk was born in a small city called Apostoles, Province of Misiones and
he says that Polcas "incorporates current and esential melodies from my home
and land. They are part of the unwritten history of our regional music, and
of the present of our regional music. It is my personal vision of the man
and woman who inhabit the farmstead: humble, and with a deep spirituality,
joy and tenderness."

Don't miss this record because it's fantastic and superb.
You will get some information (Spanish, sorry) at: www.changospasiuk.com.ar

If you can get the CD, please let me know privately and I'll manage.

Hope this helps.


Hugo Linares






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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:53:39 -0700
From: Chris Westphal <[e-mail]>
Subject: Augen Video

Is anyone familiar with Augen Video of Japan?  I'm looking for some contact
info for them so I can inquire about a video that they offer that I can't
seem to find (tried forcedexposure already among others).

FYI Augen features several videos of experimental/improv/etc artists mainly
from Japan.  Just to add some Zorn connection to this whole e-mail, they
have a video of Jon who has a CD out on Tzadik.

Feel free to contact me off list

  - c

np:  pluramon - Render Bandits


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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 23:18:14 -0400
From: stephen drury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cage Seasons

At 11:02 PM 10/3/00 -0600, marco wrote:
>by chance does anyone have an opinion re the ecm 2000 release seasons (cage)
>thanks in advance

it's a beautiful performance of the orchestral version of Seasons (Dennis
Russell Davies is conductor; he recorded the same work for the first time
about 30 years ago) and also of the number piece for orchestra.
unfortunately, Margaret Leng Tan's recording of the prepared piano concerto
on the same disc is handicapped by insufferably lousy recording quality -
the recording engineer is an insufferable and incompetent goon (I know, he's
the same guy that recorded me&Dennis doing  Zorn's piano concerto, some of
the worst piano sound on CD i've ever heard) and not a nice person.

- --steve

check out the cool new stuff on
http://www.stephendrury.com


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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:57:14 EDT
From: "ajda snyder" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Friday the 13th (No Zorn content)

The Binge Purge series continues with another innovator on Friday October
13th. The guest is a fascinating man - Scott Dakota.  We will be on WMBR
88.1FM in Cambridge, MA from 2-4PM EST.  Or listen in at
<http://wmbr.mit.edu>.

Scott Dakota, Musician, Researcher and Seeker, finds focus in remembering
that the word "philosopher", coined by Pythagoras in pre-classical Greece,
does not translate as "one who claims to be wise", but as "one who loves
wisdom" (philo = love, Sophia = Goddess of wisdom / learning / arts). Scott
has been a multi-media artist from a very young age, adding music around age
15. Upon encountering C.G. Jung's work on depth psychology and archetypes at
age 12, he rapidly embarked on an intensive program of meditation and
consciousness self-exploration, which is still ongoing. He graduated with
high honors with a degree in Psychology and Music, and has been working for
many years as a well-respected music instructor and consultant. Recent years
have been devoted to researching and exploring a synthesis of knowledge from
the ancient Sumerian, Egyptian, Vedic (India), and Pythagorean Greek unified
mathematical / musical / spiritual sciences with the exciting new progress
in quantum physics, consciousness research and complex non-linear systems
theory. He is not just interested in passive armchair contemplation of these
matters, but in full active ignition and exploration of new and expanded
reality paradigms.
Scott also invents, builds (or rebuilds) most of the instruments he uses in
The Moors and in his own sonic / consciousness music. He also extensively
modifies his effects and electronics. Rather than traditional Western
European classical music theory based on 12 equally spaced notes per octave,
Scott has revived and updated the ancient practice of using and relating
musical pitches as whole number ratios of vibrational frequencies. The
modern term for this is extended just-intonation. This helps to make
consonances more satisfying, dissonances more nuanced, makes available many
more than 12 notes per octave (each with distinctly vivid flavours) and
greatly intensifies the psycho-acoustic trance properties of sound overall.

Bio courtesy of http://www.drawbridge.com

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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 22:06:39 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: taj mahal travellers

Scott Handley wrote:
> I very recently sprung for the STOCKHOLM
> 1971 disc, and I've listened to it only about once.
> EVeryone I've talked to like AUGUST 1974 (P-Vine
> re-issue) quite a bit more, so I'd venture to say
> you'd be disappointed; but how can you tell?

FWIW, I haven't heard the '74 set but I've been enjoying the '71 set quite a
bit; probably the nearest touchstone I can come up with is Tangerine Dream's
_Zeit_ (the one with cellos & no rhythms, if you only know their later stuff);
as Scott says, quite the drone record, but with a fair amount of stuff going on
if you pay close attention. The packaging isn't much (hey, personnel listings
are cheap but they ain't here) but sound & performance are worth the investment.

Now I *really* haveta get that '74 set ...

- --
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery                                        [e-mail]

         "My hair has grown thin thinking of music."
                                             -- I Wayan Lotring

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:48:27 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: matt'n'sig'n'chad'n'susie'n'cyro'n'mat

Kurt Gottschalk wrote:
>pascal also
>mentioned nping her 'flower after flower', which i'm yet to hear. any
thougts?

Sorry, I won't have time enough to write a review today, but certainly,
this will be in my top10 of the year (of course, I haven't heard
everything, though). You can find reviews of "Flower after Flower" at:
- - allaboutjazz.com ( http://www.allaboutjazz.com/REVIEWS/r0700_021.htm
- - One final note http://www.tc.umn.edu/~holt0108/ibarra_flower.html  (I've
been there previously but cannot acces this page today, you can try
anyway....)
- - I've seen also that a thread was started yesterday in the record review
section of the Jazzcorner forums (http://www.jazzcorner.com/speakeasy/)....
but the thread isn't really successful (2 messages now).


>Pascal also mentioned a mat maneri trio album of 'tone diali
>ng' covers. i guess this means ornette. what is this? i'm unawares.

Yes, it's the Mat Maneri trio covering Ornette's Tone Dialing. The album is
Fifty-one Sorrows, on Leo records, with Maneri (Baritone violin), Randy
Peterson (dms), Ed Schuller (b). Tone Dialing appears twice on the album
(alternate takes). The other tracks are Maneri's. I haven't heard this one
yet, but I ordered it from Fnac.com last week, so...... I may receive it
within...  say, one month ? You can find it at any decent online store...
For a review: allaboutjazz.com
(http://www.allaboutjazz.com/REVIEWS/r0100_092.htm).

All the best,

Pascal.

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