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Zorn List Digest Sunday, October 8 2000 Volume 03 : Number 106
In this issue:
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Re: Odp: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?
Re: masada in prague
Lopez/Tetreault/I8U at Darling Foundry
Re: Great norwegian music(No Zorn content.... naturally)
News for Lulu
re: absinthe & heretic
Odp: masada in prague
Odp: Odp: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?
Re: Bone Machine
Re: Bone Machine
Re: Abercrombie
Re: Jarle Vespestad/drummers
Ornette Coleman's "W.R.U."
Re: Ornette Coleman's "W.R.U."
Farmers Market
Re: Goran Bregovic again
Re: Lopez
Improvised Company in Japan
Odp: Goran Bregovic again
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:38:25 EDT
From: Fastian@aol.com
Subject: Re: Odp: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?
In a message dated 10/7/00 7:58:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl writes:
<< >From: Adam Rock <arock01@postoffice.csu.edu.au>
>I've heard that "Absinthe" and "Heretic" are often regarded as rather
mediocre releases from >Naked City (especially in comparison to their other
albums). Anyone care to comment?
I could agree as to heretic.. IMO the leats succesful NC release. This is an
improv album, and it somehow does not work IMHO.
B >>
I don't have all the NC releases but Heretic is my favorite one that I have.
I love improv and putting some of the best improvisors on the planet together
and not having them improvise(as on the other releases) seems like a waste.
The cd is broken up into duos, trios,etc. of all the combinations of NC.
There's 24 pieces altogether, each of just a few minutes in length. With
these guys its not typical improv anyway, many different textures and moods,
although Eye is hard to take for more than a few minutes at a time. There's
quite a few Frisell, Frith, and Baron (trio) tracks and those are very
successful. There's only 1 track with the full band, kind of funky, where you
get to hear Fred Frith sound like Bill Laswell. I would highly recommend
this release,IMHO.
John Threadgould
- -
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:19:41 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
Subject: Re: masada in prague
Hello Marco,
Well, though I'm living in NYC I opened Czech search engine and found
that Masada is opening Alternativa festival in Prague at Archa Theater
on November 27. I bet that they are not selling tickets yet, but the
space is not so big so anybody who wants to be there should think
about the tickets now. Archa is one of the best places in Prague. Last
year I was there and caught several Alternativa concerts including
Ruins. The sound is pretty good there and amphitheater rows let people
see everything on stage. So go buy tickets and enjoy Masada in one of
the most beautiful cities in the world.
Saturday, October 07, 2000, you wrote to me:
m> apologies if this has already been answered but
m> there was mention of masada performing in prague
m> and i was wondering if anyone had the details (dates venues)
- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: shkin@shkin.com
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/
- -
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 01:32:30 -0400
From: Mathieu Belanger <belanmat@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA>
Subject: Lopez/Tetreault/I8U at Darling Foundry
Hello,
I just came back a few minutes ago from the Lopez/Tetreault/I8U concert at
the Darling Foundry (in Montreal of course!). I won't say much about I8U and
Tetreault, but I think the Francesco Lopez performance can be described in
one word: WOW! Hmm, let me add two other words: mesmerizing and excellent!
It's been a long time since I had the opportunity to hear such wonderful
music.
Very hard to describe though... Let me try something: having your head in the
engine of an airplaine during 50 minutes (I know what I am talking about,
there's an airplane corridor on top of my house!). However, you must remember
that the sound of that engine was going through the Silo #5... The result: a
huge and powerful sound, but not aggressive.
I don't know how it would sound without the silo, but if Lopez is coming in
your town, don't miss it! Simply mind blowing, but without pain... Yes, it's
possible!
The Tetreault set was correct. The first 15 minutes were mainly random bips/
clicks/blitz/call-it-what-you-want over a drone. The drone would sometimes be
very deep, sometimes very thin. The finale was really good though. For the
last 10 minutes, he generates a continous sound, simply adding textures here
and there. Very noisy, but much better than the first part of his set in my
opinion. A funny thing happened, there was a moment where he was kind of
looking for something to do. This part was almost silent. At one point, he
decided to smash the arm of his turntable. However, it was at the 'off'
position (or something similar), so no sound came out of his violent move...
If anybody's interested to know more about the I8U set, just ask and I'll
write about it. same thing for the Lopez and Tetreault sets. I would write
more but my bed is calling me!
Tschuss,
Mathieu
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:51:27 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Great norwegian music(No Zorn content.... naturally)
In a message dated 10/7/00 2:45:19 PM, newgrange@sfo.com writes:
<< Um, respectfully, Jon, I'm surprised to see you say that; maybe you were
in a
bad mood when you listened? >>
actually, I've tried to figure out what people were hearing in this triple CD
set a bunch of times over the past few years, never with much success. I'm
trying again as I type, and disc 1, track 1 still sounds aimless to me, and
pretty wanky to boot.
<<I'll tack on my standard addendum to Supersilent discussions that people
should
also check out the _EEE_ album (on Paratactile, 1999) by Powerfield, a trio
comprising Joe Gallivan, Gary Smith, and Pat Thomas, which mines some similar
spaces.>>
I didn't like this record either for similar reasons, so maybe it's just a
personal blind spot of some kind.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 06:16:47 GMT
From: "Jarrah Jones" <spillane10@hotmail.com>
Subject: News for Lulu
Anyone know if the News For Lulu albums are available?
If so where from?
Thanks in advance,
Jones.
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:13:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: re: absinthe & heretic
marcin wrote:
"I could agree as to heretic.. IMO the leats succesful NC release. This is
an improv album, and it somehow does not work IMHO."
I have a different feeling on Heretic. the first couple of times i
listened to it i felt is was disjointed and lacked interaction. then, at
some point, it all clicked, and everyting came together. since then, i
hear some nice interaction, not to mention a bit of humor, in the
performances.
a note on the contents of the disc: as marcin noted, it's all (free)
improv. what's nice is that the linup varies from track to track, so you
get duos, trios, quartets, etc. this provides a bit of variety to the
proceedings.
as for absinthe, i like that one too.
whit
- -
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:34:18 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl>
Subject: Odp: masada in prague
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Gannushkin <shkin@shkin.com>
> year I was there and caught several Alternativa concerts including
> Ruins. The sound is pretty good there and amphitheater rows let people
> see everything on stage.
Do you know maybe wht other bands are playing the festival? thanks for
your help,
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:31:38 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl>
Subject: Odp: Odp: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?
From: <Fastian@aol.com>
> I don't have all the NC releases but Heretic is my favorite one that I
have.
> I love improv and putting some of the best improvisors on the planet
together
> and not having them improvise(as on the other releases) seems like a
waste.
I don't know, i just hardly dig it. i have similiar impression about
zorn-previte-horwitz-sharp 'downtown lullabyes' (do i spell right? obviously
not). Taking 5 gret improvisers together and letting them play may not
always be the most succesful option.
But maybe it's just me and my digging capabilities.
> although Eye is hard to take for more than a few minutes at a time.
I like him on al the others NC albums he plays on (ie all but absinthe). But
not on this one.
>I would highly recommend
> this release,IMHO.
> John Threadgould
Well, i also think the disc is worth its money - it's quite interesting. But
i don't have any emotional link with it
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:30:27 +0200
From: Vigill <invigilator@poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Re: Bone Machine
"Matthew W Wirzbicki (S)" wrote:
> I still like Bone Machine the best although The Black Rider does rival it.
Agree. But I have to add Big Time (though I hate track diferrences between CD
and video - both are great and worth having). Ribot does a great job there.
> but I don't really like it more than say Frank's Wild Years or even Swordfish
> trombones.
Frank's was the first Waits' recording I've ever heard. I found it really cool
(Straight To The Top - my favourite). But Swordfishtrombones disappointed me at
first (actually, it heard the whole record just about half a year ago). Right
now this record seems to be OK, but it's not my Waits' favorite.
Vigill
- -
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 12:12:13 +0200
From: Vigill <invigilator@poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: Re: Bone Machine
> (actually, it heard the whole record just about half a year ago
of course, it should be I heard
- -
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 13:27:45 +0100
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Abercrombie
>> Could i get some abercrombie - recommendation from you all zlisters?
There's also a cool album by the Lonnie Smith Trio (that's Dr. Lonnie
Smith, not to be confused with Lonnie "Liston" Smith), with
Abercrombie on guitar, Smith on organ and Marvin "Smitty" Smith on
drums. It's called PURPLE HAZE and features 4 lenghty renditions of
Jimi Hendryx tunes. I think the band has quite a lot of great
interplay here, even though the playing keeps restrained for the
most part. On "Purple Haze", though, everyone lets go and there's
some weird psychedelic stuff going on.
Kind regards,
- Chris.
___________________________________________________________________
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and there was no surprise for me,
so, of course, I was surprised." -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
- -
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 15:53:58 CEST
From: "Marius Ergo" <mariusergo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Jarle Vespestad/drummers
Pascal
You should check out "The Trio", which is more of a sixties free jazz thing.
They have released two records; "Meet the Locals" and "In Colour"(featuring
David Liebman), both on small norwegian label Resonant Music. I just
purchased "In colour", so I`m not sure what to make of it yet. There`s lots
of energy, and the double soprano assault of Wettre and Liebman is stunning.
"Meet the locals" is a little less free-form than "In Colour", and I
absolutely adore this record. I would say Vespestad is very inventive and
agressive on this record. Great stuff!
Farmers Market has also released a disc called "Musikk fra Hybridene", which
is more of a "joke record", than their newest, and has a lot of
rock-jazz-bulgarian crossover stuff. Not their best, but worth checking out.
Lots of weird time signatures, my favourite is the classic "(Come on Baby)Do
the Balkan Boogie", which has a funk groove in seven.
Didn`t you like "Speed Balkan Boogie"? I think it`s great. It`s their first
release, but I think it has a lot in common with their latest.
You should also check out is "Orbit" on Curling Legs, which is a duo
recording with Vespestad and tenor man Tore Brunborg. I`m actually listening
to it right now. It`s pretty relaxed for the most part, and has some
standards. There is also a two minute Vespestad solo, which gives you some
insight to his playing. This album also has a nice version of "Django".
While we are on the subject of Norwegian drums/sax duo recordings, you
should also check out "The Only Way to Travel"(Blσ Productions) with Petter
Wettre and Per Oddvar Johansen.
>
>Marius,
>besides "Supersilent" and the last "Farmers Market", are there other albums
>highlighting Jarle Vespestad that you would recommend?
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 13:53:21 GMT
From: "Jarrah Jones" <spillane10@hotmail.com>
Subject: Ornette Coleman's "W.R.U."
Everyone knows Ornette Coleman's "W.R.U.", right?
Does anyone know what the letters stand for?
Thanks,
Jones.
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:13:39 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Steve Berman <steve@IMS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE>
Subject: Re: Ornette Coleman's "W.R.U."
>>>>> "Jarrah" == Jarrah Jones <spillane10@hotmail.com> writes:
Jarrah> Everyone knows Ornette Coleman's "W.R.U.", right? Does
Jarrah> anyone know what the letters stand for?
Wit and its Relation to the Unconscious (=> Freud). (Can you now
complete T.&T., C.&D., and R.P.D.D.?)
- --Steve Berman
- -
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:21:51 CEST
From: "Marius Ergo" <mariusergo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Farmers Market
jazzscene.no has a very decent interview with Stian Carstensen of Farmers
Market, which includes some of the songs off the new album, and a discussion
regarding Jarle Vespestad's drum style.
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:43:40 +0200
From: Fritz Feger <Fritz.Feger@talknet.de>
Subject: Re: Goran Bregovic again
>Could you give more info about your planned work with him ??
It's gonna be a stage version of Dante's epic poem La Divina Commedia,
directed by Thomasz Pandur (anyone knows what he's been doing so far?) and
Bregovic at Hamburg Thalia Theater, and it will be out on january 20 next
year. I don't know the complete actor's cast, but as musicians, there will
be Philipp Haagen on tuba and trombone, Michael Verhovec on drums and
percussion, and me on cello, bass, whistling, vocals. Bregovic is currently
writing something, and rehearsals are scheduled from november through
january. I'm kind of looking forward to this :-)
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Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 11:57:06 CDT
From: "Christina Carter" <flowerparade@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lopez
The Lopez concert I attended in Chattanooga, TN A few months ago was also
mesmerizing. Loud, detailed sound with no feeling of threat or aggression.
And absolutely no pain in the ears. Also, more than just my ears and head
the sound also moved down into the chest area and then to the legs. Very
hard to explain, but someone else there mentioned the same experience so
perhaps it was intentional. Though others didn't have the same experience so
perhaps it was to do with where one was in the small auditorium.
Before the concert he gave a small speech that there was nothing to be
afraid of and that he knew what he was doing. Also that there was nothing to
watch as far as his performance. This talk turned off some of the folks that
I was with. But it seemed appropriate as the audience was very mixed. It was
a varied musical bill and a lot of the audience might not have been familiar
with this music (though open to the experience).
Christina
>From: Mathieu Belanger <belanmat@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA>
>Reply-To: Mathieu Belanger <belanmat@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA>
>To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Lopez/Tetreault/I8U at Darling Foundry
>Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 01:32:30 -0400
>
>Hello,
>
I think the Francesco Lopez performance can be described in
>one word: WOW! Hmm, let me add two other words: mesmerizing and excellent!
>Very hard to describe though... Let me try something: having your head in
>the
>engine of an airplaine during 50 minutes. However, you must remember
>that the sound of that engine was going through the Silo #5... The result:
>a
>huge and powerful sound, but not aggressive.
>
>I don't know how it would sound without the silo, but if Lopez is coming in
>your town, don't miss it! Simply mind blowing, but without pain... Yes,
>it's
>possible!
>
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:07:55 +0200 (CEST)
From: Oger <oger@worldnet.fr>
Subject: Improvised Company in Japan
Some days ago, Steve Smith asked about this new japanese label called
Improvised Company. (released CDs with Derek Bailey, Peter Brotzmann ).
There is a website :
http://www1.ttcn.ne.jp/~improvised.co
Jacques Oger
np : Resonance LMC double CD
- -
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Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 19:41:15 +0200
From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" <jerzym@dom.zabrze.pl>
Subject: Odp: Goran Bregovic again
Fritz Feger napisal:
>but as musicians, there will
| be Philipp Haagen on tuba and trombone, Michael Verhovec on drums and
| percussion, and me on cello, bass, whistling, vocals.
Oh, it's very surprising. Bregovic's score for chamber line-up, without
choirs, great brass band, lots of strings.
I'll looking forward for more informations and CD maybe.
Thanks
Jerzy
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