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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #105
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Zorn List Digest Saturday, October 7 2000 Volume 03 : Number 105
In this issue:
-
Odp: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?
Odp: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?
Re: MASADA in Brussels
Odp: Goran Bregovic again / Re: List demographics
Abercrombie
Re: instruments(not liking them)
Re: Frederic Rzewski recomendations
Re: Great norwegian music(No Zorn content.... naturally)
"Exotic Audio Research" article
John Abercrombie
More info needed...
stock, hausen, & walkman
Re: instruments(not liking them)
eye/boredoms - karoake BORN TO BE WILD
Re: Supersilent
masada in prague
Bone Machine
Re: Szemzo (was Rzewski recomendations)
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:46:15 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl>
Subject: Odp: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?
>From: Adam Rock <arock01@postoffice.csu.edu.au>
>I've heard that "Absinthe" and "Heretic" are often regarded as rather
mediocre releases from >Naked City (especially in comparison to their other
albums). Anyone care to comment?
I could agree as to heretic.. IMO the leats succesful NC release. This is an
improv album, and it somehow does not work IMHO.
But I love absinthe! A really fantastic album! Very dark, intense, 'ambient'
music. A little like 'death ambient' , but more diverse.
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:50:42 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl>
Subject: Odp: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
> "Absinthe" is the Naked City disc to which I listen the most. It's much
> more ambient, without focusing on the jump cut frenzy of some other of
> their efforts. If you listen to it expecting a rerun of the "Naked City"
> album you'll be disappointed, but it's a wonderful disc on its own
> merits.
I was sure that that opinion would be a popular one...
BTW, i've never seen or heard NC live. Did they do any shows with absinthe
material?
Marcin Gokieli
marcin.gokieli@mospan.pl marcingokieli@go2.pl
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:37:53 +0100
From: "Vincent" <vmeersschaert@wanadoo.be>
Subject: Re: MASADA in Brussels
Hi
Just bought my ticket. I'll be at the front. If you can afford it take
the 1200,- BF rows. If you pay 800 BF you will be at the top and
the sound isn't that great up there.
Oh and I'm 28 and male.
Vincent
26/11 Jon Zorn MASADA will play at
Koninklijk Circus = Onderrichtstraat/Rue de l'Enseignement, 1000
Brussels. It's near (+/- 10 min. walking) to the trainstation 'Brussel
Centraal/Bruxelles Centrale'.
Tickets are BF 800/1000/1200, credit card holders can call
+32-2-5078200, no reservations.
My address is
Catherine Vercheval
PO BOX 859
B-1000 Brussels
Belgium
Please DO NOT use my name as it is my wife's po box.
- -
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:23:37 +0200
From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" <jerzym@dom.zabrze.pl>
Subject: Odp: Goran Bregovic again / Re: List demographics
- ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna -----
Od: "Fritz Feger" <Fritz.Feger@talknet.de>
Do: <zorn-list@lists.xmission.com>
Wyslano: 7 pazdziernika 2000 12:52
Temat: Goran Bregovic again / Re: List demographics
| Some weeks ago there were some posts on Goran Bregovic. I'm gonna work
with
| him from november through january at Thalia Theater in Hamburg, so if
| there's anything anyone wants me to ask him...
Lucky you.
I've heard that Goran is very friendly guy, so please tell me later 'bout
your impression.
Could you give more info about your planned work with him ??
Jerzy
np - Jaques Loussier "Toccata"
nr - Etgar Keret "Gaza blues" /selected short stories/
Jerzy
- -
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:10:40 -0700
From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel)
Subject: Abercrombie
At 9:46 AM 10/6/00, Marcin Gokieli wrote:
>From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.de>
>
>> Does anyone know OPEN LAND by John Abercrombie? I just know one track
>> from a promo cd.
>
>Could i get some abercrombie - recommendation from you all zlisters? Thanks,
>Marcin Gokieli
Timeless, his first ECM record (and maybe his first record as a leader, I'm
not sure) still really holds up for me. It's a trio with Jan Hammer
(pre-Miami Vice, ie, still has some taste along with his chops) and Jack
Dejohnette.
____________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org
Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic
Minus MP3's: http://www.mp3.com/-minus-
____________________________________________
- -
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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 11:17:12 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: instruments(not liking them)
dekater wrote:
>
> I believe it's stupid to hate any instrument.
It's stupid to hate any food, too, but some people just won't eat brussels
sprouts. What're you gonna do?
- --
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"My hair has grown thin thinking of music."
-- I Wayan Lotring
- -
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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 11:19:24 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Frederic Rzewski recomendations
Brian Olewnick wrote:
>=20
> Coming Together/Attica/Les Moulons de Panurge (Opus One)
>=20
> Only available on vinyl, AFAIK. Wonderful recording from 1973. I've see=
n
> CT performed a couple of times, but the speaker's passion is key and
> neither of the performances measured up to Steven ben Israel's work
> here; the man positively trembles with conviction.
There's also a recording of "Coming Together" and "Attica" by Group 180 o=
n
Hungaroton, released in 1983 according to the box (it was one of the firs=
t CD's
I bought, around 87 or so; I imagine it's well out of print now). The
instrumental performance is wonderful but the speaker seems kind of stilt=
ed -- a
second-language issue I assume, so it loses some of its power. (the rest =
of the
CD is Steve Reich's "Music for Pieces of Wood" and pieces by Tibor Szemz=F6=
and
L=E1szl=F3 Melis, neither of whom I've heard of otherwise.)
The best performance of "Coming Together" I've seen was with Rzewski read=
ing,
with the SF Contemporary Music Players sometime in the early 90s (92, may=
be?);
one of the most viscerally exciting performances of "minimalism" I've eve=
r
experienced. The concert ended with Rzewski playing "The People United ..=
."; I
have vague memories of William Winant tapping flower pots and talking in =
the
first piece of the night, so I suspect that was "To the Earth" but I coul=
dn't
say for sure -- the rest of the evening pretty much flattened me so hard =
I've
lost track.
ISTR there's also a volume of the DGG Avant-Garde series which he shares =
with
David Bedford and Gyorgy Ligeti, but I could be mistaken -- I can't put m=
y hands
on the "mixed classical" boxes right now to check. Rzewski also appears, =
of
course, on the (at least 3) albums by Gruppo di Improvvisazione Nuova Con=
sonanza
and the early MEV stuff; these are probably the most "zorniented" stuff h=
e's
been involved with.=20
- --=20
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"My hair has grown thin thinking of music."
-- I Wayan Lotring
- -
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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 11:41:10 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Great norwegian music(No Zorn content.... naturally)
JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
>
> it's actually pretty different. while Supersilent 4 is pretty
> uncategorizable, it leans in the direction of electronica. 1-3 consists of
> long, slightly aimless free-form improv jams, and didn't really do too much
> for me. on the other hand, a friend of mine, whose taste I respect, chose it
> as his single favorite release of that year, so your mileage may vary.
Um, respectfully, Jon, I'm surprised to see you say that; maybe you were in a
bad mood when you listened? I often have the "slightly aimless" reaction to
things other people are digging but I think much of _1-3_ actually is really
focussed; the 29-minute opening track in particular has a really engaging arc
with well-defined "movements" (takes some guts to open a 3-cd set with a drum
solo, too, if you ask me -- it's maybe 3 minutes before the slowed-down voices
start drifting in). The live drums help a lot -- Vespestad is a *monster*.
Definitely would've been on my top ten list if I'd heard it during its year.
I'll tack on my standard addendum to Supersilent discussions that people should
also check out the _EEE_ album (on Paratactile, 1999) by Powerfield, a trio
comprising Joe Gallivan, Gary Smith, and Pat Thomas, which mines some similar
spaces.
- --
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Flannery newgrange@sfo.com
"My hair has grown thin thinking of music."
-- I Wayan Lotring
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 11:50:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: "Exotic Audio Research" article
For those who do not read the WIRE, here is a past
article on:
"Exotic Audio Reseach (Panasonic (now Pan Sonic),
Disinformation, Stephen
McGreevy, Chris Watson, Alan Lamb, Bernhard Guenter,
John Duncan, Jliat) by
Rob Young (issue 157/March 97)"
Pretty old, but interesting nontheless. Available on
the WIRE site, under "Articles":
http://www.thewire.co.uk/articles/index.htm
- ----s, skidding towards subscription
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------------------------------
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:53:23 EDT
From: Brennansf@aol.com
Subject: John Abercrombie
Marcin Gokieli asked--
Could i get some abercrombie - recommendation from you all zlisters?
I like two of his really old albums: The first (and for the longest time
only) Gateway record with Dave Holland and Jack DeJonette, and "Timeless"
with DeJonette and Jan Hammer playing organ. Abercrombie's playing is very
freewheeling on these two records, tumbling at times on the edge of abandon.
Back in those days ( I haven't heard a whole lot of their stuff in the
meantime) Abercrombie and DeJonette seemed to have some kind of psychic thing
going when they played together, like one mind playing their two instruments.
(At the Gateway concert in the mid 1970s, DeJonette--how DO you spell his
name anyway??--incidentally played the greatest drum solo I have ever
witnessed, beginning with slow taps, like water dripping from a leaky faucet
on his snare, and building slowly till fifteen minutes later hewas furiously
playing the whole kit.) The contribution of Jan Hammer, whom I've always
liked, is interesting and good too. They do one piece on "Timeless" that
Hammer performed with his own group on the album "Oh Yeah" (remember that
one?) released about the same time. Completely different sound--organ with
Abercrombie, synthesizer on his own record.
Jerry B.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 21:06:46 +0200
From: Vigill <invigilator@poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: More info needed...
Hello Zornlisters,
first of all thanks for info and comments on Casper Brotzmann.
But right now I'm searching for info (and recommendations) on two other
musicians. First of them is Hank Roberts - I've heard fragments of his
record. Don't know the title, but Tim Berne and Robin Eubanks were
playing there.
The second is Masabumi Kikuchi (hope that I've written his name
properly...if not, do not hesitate to correct me). I'm looking for
lineups for two of his recordings released at the beginning of eighties
- - Susto (?) and One Way Traveller (?). Also, please recommend some other
Kikuchi's recordings.
Thanks
Vigill
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:18:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: stock, hausen, & walkman
In reading an Invisible Jukebox with the electronic
duo Stock, Hausen, and Walkman (who I haven't yet
heard), I found out that members are Andrew Sharpley
(whose work I know from the outstanding RIEN by Noel
Akchote) and Matt Wand (who I notice has worked with
Tony Oxley---Incus CD15 The Tony Oxley Quartet: Tony
Oxley, percussion; Matt Wand, drum machines & tape
switchboard; Pat Thomas,electronics & keyboard; Derek
Bailey, electric guitar---among others). This is
interesting and makes me wonder what S,H,&W are like?
Also, has anyone heard the aforementioned Tony Oxley
Quartet record, and what's it like?
Best,
- ----s
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------------------------------
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:18:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: instruments(not liking them)
I think more bad music has been made with guitars and
drums than any other instruments over the past 50
years, but I don't dislike the instruments themselves.
Some decent people play them.
Hey, I don't even dislike slide trombones, even though
when I saw David Murray's Octet at Sweet Basil more
than 20 years ago I was seated right in front of Craig
Harris. That meant every time he took a solo I had to
keep moving my head or risk instant decapitation.
Ken Waxman
- --- Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com> wrote:
> dekater wrote:
> >
> > I believe it's stupid to hate any instrument.
>
> It's stupid to hate any food, too, but some people
> just won't eat brussels
> sprouts. What're you gonna do?
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------------------------------
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 16:40:07 -0400
From: Ian Farrell <ifarrell@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: eye/boredoms - karoake BORN TO BE WILD
Inspired by a post on this list to catch up on what the boredoms are up to,
I've been checking out boredom sites for the past couple hours and found the
below info. If anyone knows anyone who has this and is willing to trade
tapes or something, please email me.... thanks!
- -----------------------------------------------------
WHAT IS THE RAREST BOREDOMS SIDE PROJECT RECORDING?
According to a post by M. Rizzi on the New-Music List:
I almost forgot this other Yamatsuka Eye...er, I mean Yamantaka Eye tidbit
from my recent trip to Japan.
Eye was telling me about how the Karoake bars in Osaka have the capability
to record a CD of the patrons evening of song for about $20 (they must be
using that computer based recordable CD format).
Eye talked about how he had them record his sing-along to 'Born To Be Wild.'
Just the idea of this blew my mind. Unfortunately, he doesn't have it
anymore. He went to a record shop (Forever 3 in Osaka, I believe) and sold
it for like $70...and the store sold it for about $150 almost immediately.
God, I would have loved to heard that. I guess none of us will either, but
just thinking about it might be enough. Ha. I still laugh thinking of the
possible looks the other customers must have had when he started screaming
along to the bouncing ball.
Boorrrrn The Be Wiraerararggggggggh!
- -----------------------------------------------------
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 22:46:43 +0100
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Supersilent
> 3CD set, "Supersilent 1-3"... has anyone heard it ? Is it as good as
> "Supersilent 4" and worth the money ?
I don't have SUPERSILENT 1-3, but I've heard parts of it in a shop,
and these records seem to be much harsher and more abrasive in terms
of sound ... 4 seems to be softer. Could be just the parts I listened
to, but since I got this impression from all 3 discs, I guess it's
true.
> "Zwei tage des Zorn" (I;m sure that is a glorious error in spelling)
No, it's correct, though "Tage" has a capital T. For those who don't
know what it means, it's simply "Two days of Zorn" or "Two days of
anger", playing with the double meaning of the word Zorn.
Kind regards,
- Chris.
___________________________________________________________________
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and there was no surprise for me,
so, of course, I was surprised." -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:21:56 +1000
From: marco <gjergja@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: masada in prague
hello
apologies if this has already been answered but
there was mention of masada performing in prague
and i was wondering if anyone had the details (dates venues)
thanks
marco
- -
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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:19:04 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: Bone Machine
>Fav.Album: John Zorn - Bar Kokhba, Tom Waits - Bone Machine,
I'd never listened to Tom until two summers ago when I went on a rampage. I
still like Bone Machine the best although The Black Rider does rival it.
Those two are the most interesting to me in terms of the choice/use of
instruments. I don't think the track order on BM is an accident at all. I
love hearing "I don't want to grow up" right after one of his most serious
death ballads. I've never quite understood the pedistal which Rain Dogs
occupies...not that it's bad but I don't really like it more than say
Frank's Wild Years or even Swordfish trombones.
In case any Tom Waits admirers here haven't seen it please go out of your
way to find the movie "fishing with John vol.1" where Jon Lurie takes Tom
Waits on a fishing trip. -- Very funny movie.
Matt Wirzbicki
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 23:04:45 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Szemzo (was Rzewski recomendations)
At 11:19 AM 10/7/00 -0700, Jim Flannery wrote:
>the rest of the CD [snip] pieces by Tibor Szemz=F6=20
Szemzo has a superb, although short, electroacoustic piece on Leo based on
Wittgenstein's writing entitled Tractatus. Voices reading Wittgenstein (in
different languages) fade in around short snatches of melody, very peaceful
and quiet. Not like poetry with the music, because the voices are often
too quiet to understand, but very much like a dream.
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
- -
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