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Zorn List Digest       Saturday, October 7 2000       Volume 03 : Number 104



In this issue:
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       Re: week of small miracles
       Re: Great norwegian music(No Zorn content.... naturally)
       Re: instruments(not liking them)
       Re: Great norwegian music(No Zorn content.... naturally)
       Re: Great norwegian music(No Zorn content.... naturally)
       Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?
       Re: Jarle Vespestad/drummers
       Re: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?
       Re: Great norwegian music(No Zorn content.... naturally)
       Re: Jarle Vespestad/drummers
       FLopez netcast TONIGHT /Bernhard Gunter
       Re: newie/feldman
       Re: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?
       Re: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?
       Prelapse (sorry this is long)

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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 07:52:51 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: week of small miracles

At 06:48 AM 10/7/00 +0200, Francesco Martinelli wrote:
>anyone interested in this music/sound experiment field should try to get the
>new cd by (?) Peter Cusack

Is this the same artist that has a new cd on ReR, Where is the Green
Parrot?  Anyone heard this and care to comment?

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[e-mail]

Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.

- -- Satchel Paige

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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 13:55:35 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Great norwegian music(No Zorn content.... naturally)

Hi all,
I'll second Marius, Rune Grammofon is really worth checking out, and
furthermore they're well distributed and easily found (at least here in
Europe), thanks to Manfred Eicher of ECM records. The catalogue ranges from
(modern) classical music to electronic, via pop/rock, noise, electro-jazz.=
=20
BTW, a few concerts of Rune Grammofon artists are planned next month in
Europe (Paris, London), so see their website.
And, yes Supersilent's "4" is indeed a great album ("4.3" is a must for me
- -audio sample #3-). Their jazz/electronic mix is far, far away from all the
Graham Haynes/Niels Petter Molvaer things you may have heard before. And
all that without a drum loop or a computer.=20
It sounds to my ears that it is a trumpet/drums/electronics band, but does
any of you have more info on the set-up, who are the musicians, their
background, etc...., as the liner notes are voluntarily inexistant.
I was actually wondering if I would at last order Supersilent's previous
3CD set, "Supersilent 1-3"... has anyone heard it ? Is it as good as
"Supersilent 4" and worth the money ?

Thanks,

Pascal.
(np: Peter Br=F6tzmann/Die Like a Dog 4tet  "Little Birds Have Fast Hearts
No. 2" -FMP-)


At 01:54 07/10/00 CEST, Marius Ergo wrote:
>Everyone should check out www.runegrammofon.com! It`s an amazing norwegian=
=20
>label, with tons of even more amazing music. I`m not here to preach the=20
>gospel of norwegian experimental music, but check out the audio-clips and=
=20
>tell me what you think. Nils Aukland`s "Straum" is great, and Supersilent`s=
=20
>"4" is probably my favourite record of all time. Check it out!
>
>-Marius


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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 14:06:36 +0200
From: "dekater" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: instruments(not liking them)

- -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Marius Ergo <[e-mail]>
Aan: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Datum: zaterdag 7 oktober 2000 12:50
Onderwerp: instruments(not liking them)


>
>
>Jim Flannery wrote:
>
>>I dunno, for me the flute's not my favorite
>>instrument so there're things to "get over" on the way to appreciating
some
>>of
>>his central works (yes, I know, it's a personal failing; we all have a
>>couple).
>
>Yes, I know exactly what you mean! Not that I don`t like the flute, I love
>it, but I`ve always reaaaally HATED the friggin pan flute.
.
>I have friends who hate the clarinet and the trombone, but that`s probably
>just `cause those instruments are "uncool".
>
>-Marius


I believe it's stupid to hate any instrument.

Jan Luyben


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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:38:37 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Great norwegian music(No Zorn content.... naturally)

For more info, on the Rune Grammofon label, you can also give a look to the
Rune Grammofon page of the forcedexposure website (easy URL).

Here is what they say of Supersilent "4" (I found here anwers to some of my
questions):

"Explosive, mind-battering second album by Norwegian group. "This quartet
has quickly developed into being the most exciting group in what many will
call the new wave of young Norwegian jazz. Still in their twenties, they
have all been involved in numerous groups and projects, ranging from Terje
Rypdal Skywards (St=E5le Storl=F8kken) to rock group Motorpsycho (Helge Sten=
).
Arve Henriksen and Jarle Vespestad are considered two of the most personal
instrumentalists in Norway, the former receiving due attention for his
playing on Christian Wallumr=F8d Trios No Birch, released on ECM. Helge Sten
(aka Deathprod) is an in demand producer, and recently grabbed a lot of
attention for his reworking of Arne Nordheims electronic music. With total
improvisation in a 'traditional' band format they stress the importance of
realtime interaction, playing together and against each other. Although
they can sound very electronic, there=B4s not a computer or drumloop in sigh=
t
and they will frequently slip into stretches that are much closer to
something like Autechre than what is normally considered as 'jazz'. On 4
they appear more focused and to the point than on their 3 hour debut set
and deliver an absolutely stunning album of improvised 'jazz', electronica,
power and lyrical beauty." The group consists of: Helge Sten: Audio virus,
St=E5le Storl=F8kken: synthesizers, Arve Henriksen: trumpet, electronics, Ja=
rle
Vespestad: drums. "While their sound has the added depth of modern
recording techniques and digitized, one touch electronica, their
improvisations have the ramshackle DIY qualitites found in early live
electronics projects by pioneers such as Gordon Mumma, Robert Ashley and
Musica Elettronica Viva." -- The Wire. "

I would add that (if I remember well) Jarle Vespestad (dms) also appears to
be drummer on the last Farmers Market album on W&W... (the "funnest" album
of the year, some said...)

Pascal.

At 13:55 07/10/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>I'll second Marius, Rune Grammofon is really worth checking out.....

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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:46:52 CEST
From: "Marius Ergo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Great norwegian music(No Zorn content.... naturally)

Pascal Cortes wrote:

>It sounds to my ears that it is a trumpet/drums/electronics band, but does
>any of you have more info on the set-up, who are the musicians, their
>background, etc...., as the liner notes are voluntarily inexistant.
>I was actually wondering if I would at last order Supersilent's previous
>3CD set, "Supersilent 1-3"... has anyone heard it ? Is it as good as
>"Supersilent 4" and worth the money ?

The lineup of Supersilent is:

Jarle Vespestad - drums/perc

Arve Henriksen - trumpet

Deathprod(Helge Steen) - electronics, noise etc.

Stσle Storl°kken - Keys (Mostly moogs, and old analogue synths)

I don`t own "1-3", but I`ve listened to it in a record store in Oslo, and it
is amazing. Naturally, it is the supersilent sound, but since there`s so
much material, it is really varied in dynamics and moods. It`s mostly
relatively long improv pieces, but they are certainly not boring.
The album is on my must-have list, but my current economy forces me to put
this purchase on hold(Since it`s a three CD set, it`s rather expensive.
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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:55:29 +1000
From: "Adam Rock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?

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I've heard that "Absinthe" and "Heretic" are often regarded as rather =
mediocre releases from Naked City (especially in comparison to their =
other albums). Anyone care to comment?

Thanks in advance,

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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:06:15 CEST
From: "Marius Ergo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jarle Vespestad/drummers

Yeah, Jarle drums in Farmers Market, which by the way is a band capable of
stimulating more than just your humorous sides.
Jarle Vespestad is such an amazing drummer. I saw him perform with the trio,
which consists of him, Petter Wettre(sax) Ingebrigt H. Flaten(bass) + David
Liebman, at Hamar Jazzclub in Norway a few weeks ago. I know Liebman is one
of the worlds finest musicians, and has played with Miles and stuff, but
Miles schmiles I couldn`t take my ears off Vespestad. He seriously is up
there with my other fave drummers, which is no kindergarden:

Tony Williams, Joey Barron, Elvin Jones etc.

After that show, some shitfaced, drunk out of his mind friend of Liebman
took center stage and said the same thing, so there you go....


>I would add that (if I remember well) Jarle Vespestad (dms) also appears to
>be drummer on the last Farmers Market album on W&W... (the "funnest" album
>of the year, some said...)
>
>Pascal.

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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:27:01 -0500
From: "Don Gunning" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?

>I've heard that "Absinthe" and "Heretic" are often regarded as rather
mediocre releases from >Naked City (especially in comparison to their
other albums). Anyone care to comment?

I haven't heard Heretic but I absolutely love Absinthe.  The album I
mean.


dg



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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 09:29:53 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Great norwegian music(No Zorn content.... naturally)

<<I'll second Marius, Rune Grammofon is really worth checking out, and

furthermore they're well distributed and easily found>>

my favorite Rune Grammofon disc is Arne Nordheim's Electric, a reissue of a
1974 LP, containing 5 superb electroacoustic pieces. fans of Parmegiani and
Bayle should definitely pick this up, it's pretty essential.

<< I was actually wondering if I would at last order Supersilent's previous

3CD set, "Supersilent 1-3"... has anyone heard it ? Is it as good as

"Supersilent 4" and worth the money ? >>

it's actually pretty different. while Supersilent 4 is pretty
uncategorizable, it leans in the direction of electronica. 1-3 consists of
long, slightly aimless free-form improv jams, and didn't really do too much
for me. on the other hand, a friend of mine, whose taste I respect, chose it
as his single favorite release of that year, so your mileage may vary.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 16:02:46 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Jarle Vespestad/drummers

Marius,
besides "Supersilent" and the last "Farmers Market", are there other albums
highlighting Jarle Vespestad that you would recommend?=20
I found nothing really interesting for me at allmusicguide. The only
interesting thing I found was on the french online store "fnac.com". It is
a 1999 album by "Le Myst=E8re des Voix Bulgares"/Farmers Market, called
"Speed-Balkan-Boogie".
Unfortunately, there is nothing more on that page (label, musicians, etc)...

Anyone knows this one and has further info/comments ?

Thanks

Pascal.


At 15:06 07/10/00 CEST, Marius Ergo wrote:
>Yeah, Jarle drums in Farmers Market, which by the way is a band capable of=
=20
>stimulating more than just your humorous sides.
>Jarle Vespestad is such an amazing drummer. I saw him perform with the=
 trio,=20
>which consists of him, Petter Wettre(sax) Ingebrigt H. Flaten(bass) + David=
=20
>Liebman, at Hamar Jazzclub in Norway a few weeks ago. I know Liebman is one=
=20
>of the worlds finest musicians, and has played with Miles and stuff, but=20
>Miles schmiles I couldn`t take my ears off Vespestad. He seriously is up=20
>there with my other fave drummers, which is no kindergarden:
>
>Tony Williams, Joey Barron, Elvin Jones etc.
>
>After that show, some shitfaced, drunk out of his mind friend of Liebman=20
>took center stage and said the same thing, so there you go....
>
>
>>I would add that (if I remember well) Jarle Vespestad (dms) also appears=
 to
>>be drummer on the last Farmers Market album on W&W... (the "funnest" album
>>of the year, some said...)
>>
>>Pascal.
>
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>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:15:06 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: FLopez netcast TONIGHT /Bernhard Gunter

In a message dated 10/6/00 6:13:10 PM, you wrote:

<< My toilet will start making sounds or the  bugs outside will make too muc=
h=20
noise. I really wonder how people who work in the same field as Gunter expec=
t=20
you to block out all of the distractions,>>

Dear Matt & crew,
 Bernhard Gunter once teased me, saying "how could you possible HEAR my musi=
c=20
when you live in new york?"  I responded, "the first time i tried to hear yr=
=20
stuff i didn't; i was on the subway using my closed ear headphones and=20
thought the disc was defective because i heard nothing."  that was after i=20
read the interview with him in Halana mag and immediately said i wanna hear=20
this guys work and bought one.  (now i have most on his label trente oiseaux=
,=20
which you can get through anaomalous.)

My favorite Fsco L=F3pez disc is "addy and the jungle" on ND records, from t=
he=20
mag of the same name out of texas.  using insect sounds.  his live gig at PS=
1=20
this summer in long island city was a trip; set in a beach environment. =20
audience in blindfolds.  major whooshes of sound.  very different from his=20
discs.  he's touring northamerica again, and he sent me this:

FRANCISCO LOPEZ
MARTIN TETREAULT
I8U Live @ The Darling Foundry, Montreal
Playing the Silophone
Saturday 7 October, 9:00PM
Darling Foundry, 257 rue Prince, Metro Square Victoria
Tune in for the live online broadcast at:
http://www,silophone.net
Le Silophone   [The User]  Quartier Ephemere   CKUT & Alien8 Recordings
present
FRANCISCO LOPEZ
MARTIN TETREAULT

yrs
Steve Koenig
LaFolia.com (La Folia Music review)
JazzWeekly.com
Signal to Noise

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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:01:28 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: newie/feldman

My suggestion for a Feldman starter disc would be "Only", a collection
of pieces for voices and instruments, featuring Joan LaBarbara. (Other
Feldman fans differ on this one -- some find it too "Romantic".)

To my ears, the best release ever was the original Columbia/Odyssey
recording of "Rothko Chapel" and "For Frank O'Hara", never released
on CD.

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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:05:53 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?

On Sat, Oct 07, 2000 at 11:55:29PM +1000, Adam Rock wrote:

> I've heard that "Absinthe" and "Heretic" are often regarded as rather mediocre releases from Naked City (especially in comparison to their other albums). Anyone care to comment?

"Absinthe" is the Naked City disc to which I listen the most. It's much
more ambient, without focusing on the jump cut frenzy of some other of
their efforts. If you listen to it expecting a rerun of the "Naked City"
album you'll be disappointed, but it's a wonderful disc on its own
merits.

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Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:47:16 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Are Absinthe and Heretic Worthwhile Purchases?

They are actually two of the best, easily, along w/ Grand Guignol.


The first one and Radio strike me as too pastiche-oriented, and therefore
would be my least favorite of the bunch.

- -matt mitchell

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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 10:53:09 -0400
From: Richard Ladew <[e-mail]>
Subject: Prelapse (sorry this is long)

Hello all:
since it was mentioned about Prelapse, I figured I'd tell you what I
know after having various conversations with Alex the Keyboardist and
Mason the bassist/vocalist. (If yr reading this, guys, please correct me
if any of this is false) At one time, were all music students at
Berklee.  In 1995, Painkiller played a show at the Middle East in
Cambridge.  I believe alex and Mason were in the audience and passed on
some tapes of their transcriptions along with the notations to Zorn and
he was impressed.  This later led to the "Zwei tage des Zorn" (I;m sure
that is a glorious error in spelling) festival featuring Zorn as an
artist in residence at the New england Conservatory of Music in Boston
where Prelapse performed many of the talked about so-called "Unreleased"
naked city tunes. (not to mention the Callithumpian Consort, Stephen
Drury et. al)

>From there, the band played in Boston and also opened for a Zorn/Mike
Patton show in Northampton, Ma (also featured Anthony Coleman).

Eventually, Prelapse moved to NYC and released the Avant cd in
question.  I know I harped everyone on this when I first did it, but if
you are interested further and haven't seen it before, my supremely
stale and in-need of updating web page has photos and an interview I did
with them last December. It also has links to their website.  The
interview is at:
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ladewtangclan/prelapseinterview.html

As far as Prelapse being Naked City, it is obviously un unfair
comparison.  As a companion piece to a band that I unecessarily
perseverate about, it is wonderful!  I would reccommend seeing these
guys live if you have the opportunity.

NP:Big Black "Songs About Fucking"
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