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Zorn List Digest        Friday, October 6 2000        Volume 03 : Number 102



In this issue:
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       Re: Francisco Lopez
       Re: Francisco Lopez
       Re: list demographics/ violin
       Re: list demographics/ violin
       various
       Re: Laswell reconstructions
       Re[2]: Philip Johnston's Transparent Quartet
       cyro
       Frederic Rzewski recomendations
       Rzewski in NYC / Gig guides
       Re: Frederic Rzewski recomendations
       newie/feldman
       Ekkehard Jost: Europas Jazz 1960-1980
       Re: newie/feldman
       RE: newie/feldman

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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 05:26:22 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Francisco Lopez

At 06:28 PM 10/5/00 -0400, Brian Olewnick wrote:
>Consistent with my usual habit of taking a few years to at last getting
>around to hearing someone, I finally picked up a disc by Francisco
>Lopez, his 'Untitled #89' on Touch (fortuitously thrust into my hands by
>Tom Pratt at OM). I like it a great deal--kind of like being in the
>center of a turbine engine for forty minutes, though the final 18 or so
>minutes of silence seems...extreme (or is it silence?; have to listen
>again more closely). Anyway, I'd appreciate hearing other Lopez
>recommendations. Thanks.

I don't know untitled 89, but I think you have to me somewhat choosy with
Lopez, as some of his disks are nearly silent for the duration, and at
least at my house, there's enough ambient noise for the disk to get
completely lost.

His earlier work is loosely based on real environmental recordings, and you
can't go wrong with La Selva (V2-Archief), based on rain forest recordings
in the Costa Rican jungle.  This may sound like a straight nature
recording, like we used to get in the Environments series, but it's pretty
amazing nonetheless, and definitely has an episodic quality as it moves
through the piece.  There are extensive liner notes which Lopez challenges
you not to read (and I haven't yet), but which supposedly explain a lot
about the compositional methods of the piece.  Belle Confusion 969
(Sonoris) is also based on jungle recordings, is very nice too, but doesn't
have the same elaborate packaging.

If you can track down the two-cd set Temizlemek (Linea Alternativa), it
collects pieces previously released on compilations, showing the transition
from his earliest drone pieces through the jungle works and up to a couple
in the untitled series.

His two trente oiseaux releases, Warsawa Restaurant and Belle Confusion
966, are as quiet as I'd like to get with him, although BC966 includes a
live excerpt of the piece that roars (the disk would be great sleep music
otherwise).

- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.

- -- Satchel Paige

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:34:38 GMT+0100
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Francisco Lopez

His latest release on Mego, 'untitled #92', is certainly worth
checking out. And I totally agree with Caleb's recommendation of
'La Selva' & ' Belle Confusion 969'.

Jeroen

ps.
In Augusts Wire there is a nice interview with him.


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Jeroen de Boer
music director Open Electronic Festival/Cyberslag Foundation
Munnekeholm 10, 9711JA Groningen
The Netherlands
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http://www.cyberslag.com
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:03:16 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: list demographics/ violin

Thanks for the recs, Steve.
I think I'll head first for this duo album on No More Records, as I already
know quite well his work with larger groups (his own Hat albums, or with
Papa Joe, Joe Morris, Guillermo Gregorio). And furthermore No More Records
is a new label on my list so I have to check it out.
.... anyway, the samples I heard from "soul search" sounded also great...
and there's also that trio album where they do two "Tone Dialing" covers..
hmmm... sounds like I'll have to set up a monthly planning for my next CD
buys...

All the best,

Pascal.
(np: Susie Ibarra, "Flower After Flower" - Tzadik)

>Steve:
>Mat and Randy have a duo CD out on the No More label, 'Light Trigger.'
>
>Other recent Maneri: 'Soul Search' (AUM Fidelity) - duets with Joe Morris,
>and 'Blue Decco' (Thirsty Ear) - quartet with Craig Taborn, William Parker
>and Gerald Cleaver.  All should be readily available through the usual web
>sources.
>
>Steve Smith
>[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:03:24 +0200
From: Pascal Cortes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: list demographics/ violin

Thanks for the recs, Steve.
I think I'll head first for this duo album on No More Records, as I already
know quite well his work with larger groups (his own Hat albums, or with
Papa Joe, Joe Morris, Guillermo Gregorio). And furthermore No More Records
is a new label on my list so I have to check it out.
.... anyway, the samples I heard from "soul search" sounded also great...
and there's also that trio album where they do two "Tone Dialing" covers..
hmmm... sounds like I'll have to set up a monthly planning for my next CD
buys...

All the best,

Pascal.
(np: Susie Ibarra, "Flower After Flower" - Tzadik)

>Steve:
>Mat and Randy have a duo CD out on the No More label, 'Light Trigger.'
>
>Other recent Maneri: 'Soul Search' (AUM Fidelity) - duets with Joe Morris,
>and 'Blue Decco' (Thirsty Ear) - quartet with Craig Taborn, William Parker
>and Gerald Cleaver.  All should be readily available through the usual web
>sources.
>
>Steve Smith
>[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:34:15 +0100
From: simon hopkins <[e-mail]>
Subject: various

I haven't posted for a while, so apologies for the scattered nature
of what follows...

First up, on that drummers thread... Myself, Dan and David from the
motion team down to see the Douglas gig in London this week, and the
revelation of the evening was Jim Black. I haven't been so captivated
by a drummer since seeing Joey Baron for the first time back in 88.
If any of you ever get the opportunity to go see him, whatever the
context: do it. (The rest of the evening was great, too. Douglas in
particular, being the focus of the evening and leading different
line-ups, played for his fucking life.)

Also on the drummers thread - and apologies if someone's already said
this, but I missed some of the Ringo thread as it turned into a
discussion about the cultural value of pop music (read: fell
asleep!), but I was reminded the other evening that when asked if
Ringo was the best drummer in the world, Lennon responded that he
wasn't even the best drummer in The Beatles.

Thanks to Alistair Wilson for his kind comments about the 4wd Motion
event we put on here at motion's disused east London factory. I take
on board the comments about people talking during the performances.
It's a difficult one that, and we're discussing what to do about it.
We're also already discussing the line-up for the next event and are
hoping to take it in a jazz/improvisation direction alongside the
electronic and post-rock stuff.

I didn't see anything here about any of the recent Mr Bungle shows.
Anyone make it? We went down to the London Astoria show, and I think
I'm safe in saying that it was the single best rock n roll show I've
ever been to. (Actually, it's been an extraordinary year for live
shows, period. But I guess we'll all be doing round ups in a couple
of months). The night was made even more special by the continual
sight out of the corner of my eye of the forty-something Paul Schutze
pogo-ing, moshing and shouting for 90 minutes. Paul couldn't speak
the next day.

(Apologies to any forty-something listmembers for the implication
that pogo-ing is a little unseemly at their age. But really, it is.)

Last up: the new Radiohead album. Astonishing. Better than we had any
right to expect. If you interested, I have something to about it (and
you can hear some of it) at:
http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/700.html

Over and out

Simon

np: Bruno Ganz: Wenn Wasser Ware (ECM)
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simon hopkins

a state51 | 8-10 rhoda street | london e2 7ef
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t 020 7729 8493

check out ---+motion
http://motion.state51.co.uk

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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:27:47 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Laswell reconstructions

 Re: Laswell

 I'm not sure how seriously I should reply to what you wrote since
 you seem not to listen anyway ... in fact, you avoided to reply
 to any of the points I and other list members made--i.e., that
 Macero's stuff was just a version as well, that Macero's version
 is very crudely edited etc.

> Man, am I sick of this thread!

 You started it. I'm pretty amazed at how important Laswell seems to
 be to you since you spend so much time dissing him. I usually
 ignore things which I dislike, that's why you almost never find
 me ranting about Britney Spears.

> And you may not be trying to be rude, but you sure are
> condescending!

 Sorry, but who told us not to waste our time? Are you in any way
 wiser than us, do you really want to pretend that you have all
 the (musical) knowledge in the world, while we are just blinded
 by silly restrictions like taste?

> Sorry I ever mentioned an opposing opinion to all you
> Panthalassa lovin' dudes.

 I don't care if you have a different opinion than me. Actually,
 I do care because I'm always interested to hear other people's
 opinion. But what I can't stand is when people tell me that I
 shouldn't listen to what I listen to. And in your "discussion",
 you never really adressed those points we made.

> jamming with Miles! Finally if you were interested in what
> someone can really accomplish using the studio as an
> instrument, you would be listening to Pierre Schaeffer,
> Pierre Henry, Iannis Xenakis, Karlheinz Stockhausen,
> Edgard Varese, Bernard Parmegiani, Phil Spector, Joe Meek,
> George Martin (not those Beatles again!), Norman Smith
> (ala Pink Floyd, Pretty Things), Lee Scratch Perry, Jack
> Ruby, Joe Gibbs, Mad Professor, Scientist, Adrian
> Sherwood, etc.

 Whoa, please don't pretend you know me. It's like all those people
 who think that because I listen to jazz I don't listen to any
 "normal" music, or those people who think that because I like
 metal I don't like any soft music, etc. -- now who's condescending?
 I'm not going to defend myself by saying "oh, I listened to
 this record by Karlheinz and that record by Varese", but you'd
 be surprised how many of these artists can actually be found in
 my collection. Regardless of that, what does that have to do
 with the Laswell discussion??

> stuff was perfect first time around, i.e. the ORIGINAL
> records as the ARTIST had them released, so really what

 How many times do we have to point out that there is no original?
 The fact that these records were released under Miles' names while
 Miles was still alive doesn't have to imply that he was absolutely
 happy with how they were mixed & edited. Unfortunately, record
 companies almost always have other ideas what they'd like to hear
 on their records than the artists.

 Kind regards,
 - Chris.

 P.S. Glad to see that there are other Maiden fans on the list!

 NP: VAST, Music for People (2000)
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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:11:20 -0400
From: Peter Gannushkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re[2]: Philip Johnston's Transparent Quartet

Hello Julian,

Thursday, October 05, 2000, you wrote to me:

>> Transparent Quartet is less energetic and theatrical I think but the
>> music is still good although it sounds like a music for a movie even
>> if it was not composed to it. Still interesting and relaxing.

J> It's funny you should say that since from reading some of the pages of that
J> website it looks like a large portion of his music was in fact written for
J> films.

I explained it wrong probably. I meant that Johnston is writing lots
of music for films, but even compositions which were not written for
them sound like it is films' music.

J> Incidentally, I think his compositional style is very interesting and
J> quite unique, even if sometimes the recordings seem to hold back a bit on
J> the energy...

Yep, I think the same.

- --
Best regards,
Peter Gannushkin
e-mail: [e-mail]
URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/



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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 17:08:09 +0200 (DST)
From: Emmanouil Papagiannakis <[e-mail]>
Subject: cyro

Martin_Wisckol: <<Cyro Baptista has a top shelf CD called ViraLoucos.
And he just came out with something with Kevin Breit, Supergenerous,
that's not bad. You know, forgettable, but not bad. then i catch wind
of something by Cyro called BEAT THE DONKEY. should i spend the cat
food money on it or not?>>

So is the BEAT THE DONKEY record out? I saw the show last year
and I was amazaed. Exclusively percussion music, all different kinds of
percussion/drums/buckets/barrels. But also A LOT of show, dancing,
actually I was pretty amazed. I don't know how the music on it's own
would sound though.


manolis


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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 12:04:18 -0400
From: Jay Solanki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Frederic Rzewski recomendations

Hi All

I have no idea what connection, if any, this composer may have to Zorn, but
I figured somebody on this list could probably help me.  Last week I saw a
performance of Rzewski's 'Coming Together' and was very impressed--does
anybody know where I could find a recording of this piece or anything
related...just more information on the guy and his music...I was
particularly interested by the combination of avant-garde musical
sensibilities and political conscience.

thanks...



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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:27:15 -0400
From: "Jim McLoughlin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Rzewski in NYC / Gig guides

Hi

Someone mentioned a Rzewski performance they saw (sorry, deleted the
message).  Just wanted to note that he's playing next week in NYC...

http://www.composerscollab.org/upcoming_events/upcoming.html


In terms of sites with gig/frestival listings, I usually check out
www.jazznewyork.org - it lists some notable gigs on the east coast and the
occasional festival (including international).  If anyone knows of sites
with more comprehensive listings, I'd be interested.

Pardon the NYCentric info

J





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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:39:11 -0300
From: "Carlos Murat" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Frederic Rzewski recomendations

Rzewski played this week in Buenos Aires. He made this program:
Les Litanies d┤Icare (Henri Pousseur)
We sing for the future (Cornelius Cardew)
The Road, Mile 41 ( Rzewski)
De Profundis
Everyone on that performance where moved by Frederic playing. De Profundis
has some vocals extracts from a letter by Oscar Wilde. The Cardew piece was
terrific!!
Here are some of Rzewski recordings:

The People United (Hat Art 6066)
North American Ballads (Hat Art 6089)
De Profundis (Hat Art 6134)

Coming Together with Hungaroton and Opus One is on the Record Label CRI.

Anyway there are anothers versions of Rzewski work by other artists:

Stephen Drury - The People United - (New Albion)
Ursula Oppens - The People United - (Vanguard)
Zeitgeist - Wails/Spots/Crusoe - (OO records)

Carlos


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Solanki" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 1:04 PM
Subject: Frederic Rzewski recomendations


> Hi All
>
> I have no idea what connection, if any, this composer may have to Zorn,
but
> I figured somebody on this list could probably help me.  Last week I saw a
> performance of Rzewski's 'Coming Together' and was very impressed--does
> anybody know where I could find a recording of this piece or anything
> related...just more information on the guy and his music...I was
> particularly interested by the combination of avant-garde musical
> sensibilities and political conscience.
>
> thanks...
>
>
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 20:24:10 CEST
From: "Marius Ergo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: newie/feldman

Hi! I`m new on the list, so here`s my story:

I am:
19 years of age.

from Oslo, Norway.

currently studying music.

Now for something completely different:

Could someone reccomend me something by Morton Feldman? I haven`t heard much
of his stuff, but the few pieces I`ve heard are amazing.

- -Marius


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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:41:39 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Ekkehard Jost: Europas Jazz 1960-1980

I was wondering if any of you know anything about a book by Ekkehard Jost
entitled _Europas Jazz 1960-1980_ published in 1987? I was told it's one of
the best accounts of recent jazz on the continent.  Oh yeah, and it's
out-of-print too, So if any of ya have leads/ideas about acquiring a copy
could you get in touch privately?

Thanks a million.

Jerry B.

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:54:38 -0500
From: "Don Gunning" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: newie/feldman

> Could someone reccomend me something by Morton Feldman? I haven`t
heard much
> of his stuff, but the few pieces I`ve heard are amazing.

My favorites are probably "Crippled Symmetry" for flute/bass flute,
piano/celeste, and percussion; "For Phillip Guston" same instruments;
"For Samuel Beckett"  - a larger ensemble including strings and
woodwinds.  Crippled Symmetry is 2 CDs, Phillip Guston is 4, Beckett is
only one, a mere hour.  The Piano and String Quartet is very nice as
well, also just a single CD

Or you could just start with Rothko Chapel, seems to be his most well
known work.


dg



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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:33:10 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: newie/feldman

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Marius Ergo
> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 1:24 PM

> Could someone reccomend me something by Morton Feldman?

Almost everything he has done is excellent, but his work in "Young
Frankenstein" is sheer genius. All he has to do is stand there, and the
audience is already laughing. Oh wait a minute...

All kidding aside, "Rothko Chapel" and "Piano and String Quartet" are great
first purchases. And I really like "For John Cage" as well.

Later,
Ben

np: sleep, "jerusalem"

http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406


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