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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #100
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, October 5 2000 Volume 03 : Number 100
In this issue:
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Re: 1984 rock
Re: list demographics/ violin
Re: good rock albums from 1984
me and paul (chadbourne/lovens)
Festivals Webpage?
recommended books (some actual Zorn content!)
me and me and paul
Re: 1984 rock
Re: Festivals Webpage?
Newish Bailey from Japan?
RE: 1984 rock
Re: Festivals Webpage?
Newish Oxley from Norway?
Francisco Lopez
RE: cool your jets, fogies
Re: list demographics
RE: a cage so easily rattled needs rattling
Re: recommended books (some actual Zorn content!)
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 22:16:52 +0100
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: 1984 rock
> name me a good rock oriented record that came out in 1984!
NP: Iron Maiden, POWERSLAVE (1984) ...
Kind regards,
- Chris.
___________________________________________________________________
** Christian Genzel -- email: stamil@t-online.de **
** Homepage at http://home.t-online.de/home/stamil **
Discographies of Herbie Hancock, Bennie Maupin & Michael Beinhorn
The Herbie Hancock Mailing List
___________________________________________________________________
"When I came home I expected a surprise
and there was no surprise for me,
so, of course, I was surprised." -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:22:16 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: list demographics/ violin
Pascal Cortes wrote:
> .....and currently playing "My Funny Valentine", from the Mat Maneri
> Quintet "Acceptance" on HatOlogy.... The track is actually a Maneri
> (vioIa)/Randy Peterson (dms) duo, and I just love it...
> Anyone's got comments/recommendations for duo or trio albums with Maneri
> and/or Randy Peterson/Ed Schuller ? I've only recently learned that such
> albums had been released (including some on Leo, I think) and I'm willing
> to know more...
Mat and Randy have a duo CD out on the No More label, 'Light Trigger.'
Other recent Maneri: 'Soul Search' (AUM Fidelity) - duets with Joe Morris,
and 'Blue Decco' (Thirsty Ear) - quartet with Craig Taborn, William Parker
and Gerald Cleaver. All should be readily available through the usual web
sources.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - Axel Dorner/Fred Lonberg-Holm/Michael Zerang: "Ranzen," 'Claque'
(Meniscus - what a damn fine new label...)
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:36:23 -0400
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: good rock albums from 1984
And don't forget the two Half Japanese albums that have just been reissued: Sing No Evil & Our Solar System.
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:39:54 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: me and paul (chadbourne/lovens)
me and paul is the name the chadbourne/lovens duo have taken, after the willie
nelson song about touring.
of the two discs patrizio(sp?) on victo and 'young at heart' on leo, patrizio is
probably the better. only two "songs" as i recall, so where you stand on
eugene's vocals might help determine (i personally like them). lovens brings out
the best in chadbourne's improvising, and both have some really great moments.
patrizio especially has some really delicate, interesting playing by both. but,
as has been said here before, the leo one could have been edited down to a
single cd (it's a double). still, i'm a sucker for eugene and i enjoy the 2-disc
set beginning to end. plus 'young at heart' is one of the all time great songs,
and it's great to hear ec sing it.
eugene has put some new cdr titles on his site, by the by:
http://www.nr.infi.net/~chadnc/HouseOfChadula/EugeneHome.html
cheerios.
kg
np: the plastics - all across the usa 80 live (anyone with any thoughts or
knowledge about this group, however spare, please write me. i'm curious.)
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:52:02 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Festivals Webpage?
Is there a sorta central webpage for improv festivals and the like?
Looks like I'm not going to get to the Autumn Uprising in Boston
(procrastinated way too much in trying to book an affordable hotel), but
I vaguely recall reading (here?) of some other events on the US East Coast
next week/end. I have the week off (well, after being sidelined Monday
by Yom Kippur) and might be in the mind to wander.
Clues?
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|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:54:45 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: recommended books (some actual Zorn content!)
During a troll to kill time at a slow restaurant last weekend, I picked up
the fall issue of a magazine called Bookforum, with J.L.Borges on the
cover. Not a bad magazine, as these things go, but for the benefit of
those who don't have access to it, it has a column of hot tips from various
people, including Christian Marclay and our boy JZ.
Marclay is enjoying Douglas Kahn's Noise, Water, Meat, which he reads 'with
the same excitement' as Wireless Imagination (ed Kahn and Geregory
Whitehead), Attali's Noise, and Toop's Ocean of Sound. 'These books try to
rehabilitate the ear in a culture dominated by the eye.'
Zorn provides a list of books without commentary: Artaud's Oeuvres
Compl=E8tes, volume XXV; Edward Rice's Captain Sir Richard Francis Burton;
Hana to Hebi, buy Dan Oniroku; Think of the Self Speaking: Harry Smith
selected interviews, ed. Rani Singh; Encrypted Messages in Alban Berg's
Music, ed. Siglind Bruhn; Molinier: Une Vie d'Enfer, by Pierre Petit;
Sinatra! The Song is You, by Will Friedwald; and Conversations with
W.S.Burroughs, ed. Allen Hibbard.
I'll toss in one of my own. I just finished by first Cioran book,
Ecartelement (Drawn and Quartered), and I think Zorn included Cioran on his
list on the Tzadik site. Strange and subtle pessimism, half essay and half
aphorisms. Any other recommendations on him?
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:56:33 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: me and me and paul
In a message dated 10/5/00 4:07:36 PM, Dirlack@t-online.de writes:
<< Finally: Speaking of Paul "Snappy Dresser" Lovens, has anyone yet seen him
on tour with Eugene Chadbourne, or heard their new double-album on Leo? I'm
going to New Orleans to see two nights next week, but you can spoil the
surprise if you want. >>
I've seen this duo perform twice, at Victoriaville in 1996, and in Nancy,
France this past summer. the Victo set was superb, primarily abstract improv
grooves with Dr. C. doing a million different things with his guitar, as well
as licking balloon after balloon and rubbing them against his trousers before
popping them, all while Lovens kept swinging, unfazed by any of it. maybe
twice during the hour set, the two seamlessly transitioned into songs with
Chadbourne on vocals. the set this summer, on the other hand, was basically
just songs, with much less improv, and for me, grew boring very quickly.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:04:49 EDT
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1984 rock
In a message dated 10/5/00 4:21:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
stamil@t-online.de writes:
<< > name me a good rock oriented record that came out in 1984!
NP: Iron Maiden, POWERSLAVE (1984) ...
Kind regards,
- Chris. >>
Metallica "Ride The Lightning"
NP: Iron Maiden "Killers"
Tom
________________________________________________
The dignity of art appears to the greatest advantage
perhaps in music, because that art contains no material
to be deducted. It is wholly form and intrinsic value,
and it elevates and ennobles everything which it expresses.
--Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:06:26 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Festivals Webpage?
In a message dated 10/5/00 5:34:57 PM, jzitt@metatronpress.com writes:
<< Is there a sorta central webpage for improv festivals and the like? >>
not really. there's some good info on the Upcoming Concerts page on the Euro
Free Improv site (www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/), but those are mostly
European shows. since you're looking for East Coast shows, I guess I'd
suggest looking at the Tonic and Knitting Factory sites, and then doing web
searches for any artists playing there that you're interested in, who may
also be doing Baltimore/DC shows. I don't know of any other US festivals next
week, unless you're counting Jon Rose's series of shows at Tonic which he's
dubbed the Strung Festival.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:13:20 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Newish Bailey from Japan?
Hi, all:
Any Z-listers know of a good source for acquiring this Japanese
recording, apparently issued in June or July? Anyone heard it?
Derek Bailey/Sabu Toyozumi/Peter Br=F6tzmann - 'Live in Okayama 1987'
Improvised Company CD002
Derek Bailey, guitar; Peter Br=F6tzmann, tenor saxophone, alto saxophone,
tarogato; Yoshisaburo Toyozumi, drums,
percussion.
1.PB + YT (21.45)
2.DB (22.25)
3.DB + PB + YT (27.29)
Recorded live in Aix-en-provence, Okayama, Japan, on 16 November 1987.
This appears on Peter Stubley's excellent European Free Improvisation
website (for you newcomers, it's a must see:
http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/ ) and I really must track this
down.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - John Butcher & Terri Kapsalis, "The Interior Design," 'Music on
Seven Occasions' (Meniscus)
- -
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 18:17:51 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: RE: 1984 rock
THE SMITHS - the smiths
what started it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Neil H. Enet
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NP. JOHN ZORN . the bribe
- -
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 17:37:08 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: Festivals Webpage?
On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 06:06:26PM -0400, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote:
> not really. there's some good info on the Upcoming Concerts page on the Euro
> Free Improv site (www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/), but those are mostly
> European shows. since you're looking for East Coast shows, I guess I'd
> suggest looking at the Tonic and Knitting Factory sites, and then doing web
> searches for any artists playing there that you're interested in, who may
> also be doing Baltimore/DC shows. I don't know of any other US festivals next
> week, unless you're counting Jon Rose's series of shows at Tonic which he's
> dubbed the Strung Festival.
Hmm, well, I'm already in DC, so I've checked the local stuff :-) And I
get to NYC often enough that it's not much of a vacation.
The "choose a train by chance operations" method of improvisational
vacationing is looking increasingly tempting...
- --
|> ~The only thing that is not art is inattention~ --- Marcel Duchamp <|
| jzitt@metatronpress.com http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt |
| Latest CD: Jerusaklyn http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt |
| Comma: Voices of New Music Silence: the John Cage Discussion List |
- -
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:23:58 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Newish Oxley from Norway?
Or, for that matter, anyone know anything about this one? Anyone heard
it?
Tony Oxley Project 1: 'Triangular Screen'
SOFA 501
Tony Oxley, drums, percussion, pre-recorded tape; Ivar Grydeland,
guitar; Tonny Kluften, double bass.
1.First scan (15.22)
2.Second scan (17.35)
3.Third scan (12.17)
4.Fourth scan (03.42)
Track 1 was recorded in March 2000 at Kongsberg Jazzfestival, Norway;
other tracks recorded in May 2000 at Bla,
Osla.
(I should maybe stay the hell away from Stubley's website if I know
what's good for me... all I wanted to do was find out more about Axel
Dorner, and the site just keeps sucking me in...)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - John Butcher, "4th Singularity," 'Music on Seven Occasions'
(Meniscus)
PS - New Yorkers should mark November 2-4 on their calendars... Cecil
Taylor/Tony Oxley Duo at Tonic, two sets each night at 8 and 10...
- -
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 18:28:10 -0400
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@idt.net>
Subject: Francisco Lopez
Consistent with my usual habit of taking a few years to at last getting
around to hearing someone, I finally picked up a disc by Francisco
Lopez, his 'Untitled #89' on Touch (fortuitously thrust into my hands by
Tom Pratt at OM). I like it a great deal--kind of like being in the
center of a turbine engine for forty minutes, though the final 18 or so
minutes of silence seems...extreme (or is it silence?; have to listen
again more closely). Anyway, I'd appreciate hearing other Lopez
recommendations. Thanks.
Brian Olewnick
PS: the bio of Sir Richard Burton that Caleb mentioned is
fantastic--quite an amazing character. Also comes with a super portrait
of Burton by the occasionally fine but largely unknown these days
English painter Frederic Leighton.
- -
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:59:49 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: RE: cool your jets, fogies
>>matt:
>>Sigmund, no one wants you around here anymore.
>>No one here gets frustrated about differences of opinion.
>>We're all thornless roses around here you prick.
>
>Kurt:
>y'all, this ain' necessary.
Kurt -
it appears I made a big mistake. I guess it really is hard to get certain
forms of humor across in typed font but I was kidding and I'm sorry if that
was misunderstood.
Here's part of the original body of my message:
>>...i often feel like a fucking idiot while I'm railing on something that
>>drives me crazy. I think "I can't stand people who rant on other >>people
...but I GOTTA say something....DON'T I??"
When I have an opinion that I'm pretty set in I tend to feel like saying
something about it. Ex - personally, I don't like it when people try to
apply a bunch of theory to music in order to "understand" it -- especially
music of other cultures. I also feel like restating the point in order to
drive it home. I argue plenty against certain groups/musicians/genres that
I personally don't like as do other people on the list.
>>So I guess what I'm saying is:
>>Sigmund, no one wants you around here anymore.
>>No one here gets frustrated about differences of opinion.
>>We're all thornless roses around here you prick.
The key line here is the third -- this is where the phrase "tounge and
cheek" comes in. People here often have conflicting views and are very
quick to let them be known around here. I was hoping that the fact that
this statement was a glaring falsity would bring into question the intention
of the other sentences.
I've seen plenty of people do essencially what Sigmund has been doing on
this list and I've done it myself. When people here have an opinion they
defend it...sometimes people carry on trying to flesh out their statements
usually because the particular thing they are speaking against/for is
something that really bothers/excites them.
I think a lot of what makes this list a discussion list *are* differences of
opinion. There are plenty of interesting concepts surrounding the Beatles
debate...and many other statements which have initially represented only
stong opinion lead to juctifications which can eventually result in
interesting theoretical/conceptual discussion.
Sigmund has only been doing what is natural -- defending an opinion he feels
strongly about.
FWIW - Some of the funniest stuff I've seen on the list have been the - I'll
call them matches - between Patrice + Bill A.
I don't think there's too much 'wrong' per say with what sigmund has been
doing and again, I apologize for causing confusion.
Matt Wirzbicki
- -
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:21:44 -0400
From: Mike Chamberlain <mikec@rocler.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: list demographics
Ken Waxman wrote:
> I'm all for all forms of self-expression (sexual and
> otherwise) and believe in the right of anyone to
> express his or her opinions in any forum.
>
> BUT aren't these imitation personal ads and cross
> dressing experiences getting a little far away from
> the *musical* purpose of this list?
>
Yes they are. And.......?
Mike
43
I look good without a shirt
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 17:50:34 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki (S) " <M_WIRZBICKI@ColoradoCollege.edu>
Subject: RE: a cage so easily rattled needs rattling
>my only objections have been to people taking it upon themselves to tell
>another member not to post and even to get off the list (and to presume >to
speak for everyone on the list)
I was simply trying to point out that it would be silly of us to say that we
don't have strong opinions of the like which Sigmund has expressed. We all
have our little soft spots.
I was expressing the polar opposite of the sentiment that he should remove
himself.
but, I made the terrible mistake of neglecting to take in account the fact
that tone of voice doesn't translate so well to computer screens
sorry again for bringing about confused objections from you Kurt,
Matt Wirzbicki
- -
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 20:10:26 -0400
From: Mathieu Belanger <belanmat@MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA>
Subject: Re: recommended books (some actual Zorn content!)
Hello,
>I'll toss in one of my own. I just finished by first Cioran book,
>Ecartelement (Drawn and Quartered), and I think Zorn included Cioran on his
>list on the Tzadik site. Strange and subtle pessimism, half essay and half
>aphorisms. Any other recommendations on him?
I personnally like _Syllogismes de l'amertume_ (sorry, I don't know what are
the titles in English but I could risk a traduction if you need). It is
basically a book of short thoughts/maxims/aphorisms with a lot of cynism. I
remember one of them and I think it gives a good intuition of the overall
tone: "Je crois au salut de l'humanite, je crois en l'avenir du cyanure"
(personal translation: I believe in the salvation of humanity, I believe in
the future of cyanide). I personnally enjoyed this on every much. It was my
first introduction to Cioran - I was looking for a short book to read in the
subway - and I absolutely loved it.
_Precis de decomposition_ is an important book to understand him. If my
memory serves me right, it is also the first book he wrote in French. _La
Tentation d'exister_ and _La Chute dnas le temps_ are also good. If you
appreciate his nihilism and cynism, you will find some interesting pages
there. _De l'inconvenient d'etre ne_ has some interesting parts where he
expresses a certain disgust of life. I also like the way he is playing with
words to create some very powerful images in these books.
Currently, I am reading _Le Livre des leurres_. I am not sure if I should
recommend this one. I am not enjoying too much. Maybe it is just because of
the state of mind I am in or maybe I just don't feel like reading this book
now. I don't know, I get the feeling it is missing something. The fact that
this book is one his first books (1936) could be a reason: there is a gap
between his first and later works. The discovery of Nietzsche is probably not
unrelated to such a modification of his writtings. However, the first pages
where he talks about the musical extasy are not so bad.
Hope it helps and please feel to correct any mistake I made,
Mathieu
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