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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #99
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Zorn List Digest Thursday, October 5 2000 Volume 03 : Number 099
In this issue:
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Re: Quine/Maher/Prelapse
Re: Quine/Maher/Prelapse
Mingus Slays Marxist
request
Re: Philip Johnston's Transparent Quartet
Good Rock Records Of '84
Re: Good Rock Records Of '84
Re: Good Rock Records Of '84
re: a cage so easily rattled needs rattling
a night of brecht, oct. 14
Re: Mingus Presents Mingus
Re[2]: violin,Feldman and Vandermark, Age
Re: Lytton
good rock albums from 1984
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:13:04 -0400
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Quine/Maher/Prelapse
Well, there you go. I had thought 1985 on _ZA_; I was wrong,
obviously. How about _Let It Be_ (Replacements)? And the
Minutemen....
But no drum machines to be found on those. Saw Mike Watt last night,
btw--fantastic show, tight band, great choice of tunes. Highly
recommended--the band rocks, swings, and goes "out"--what more could
you want? Faves: covers of Wire's "the 15th," TV's "Little Johnny
Jewel" and "Friction."
Cheers,
Maurice
At 6:04 PM +0000 10/5/00, Alastair Wilson wrote:
>I said, about ten minutes ago:
>
>>..name me a good rock oriented record that came out in 1984!
>
>Well, apart from Husker Du's "Zen Arcade", obviously...
>
>Alastair (feeling a bit sheepish)
>
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:15:31 -0400
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Quine/Maher/Prelapse
At 1:24 PM -0400 10/5/00, Joseph Zitt wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 06:55:10PM +0100, Alastair Wilson wrote:
>
>> name me a good rock oriented record that came out in 1984!
>
>King Crimson: Three of a Perfect Pair
Okay, now it's my turn--I remember being disappointed by this one.
Glad you dug it, though.
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:21:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Mingus Slays Marxist
- --- kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
> MartinMentioned:
>>I believe this is currently available on Candid CCD
>>79005 "Charles Mingus
>>Presents Charles Mingus."
>
> that plus information obtained from this useful
> website maintained, i believe,
> by some zlister here:
>
> http://home.att.net/~lankina/jazz/upcomingcds.html
>
> that mingus presents mingus will be reissued by
> candid on 10/24, makes me wonder
> if anyone knows anything about the reissue. this has
> been my favorite mingus
> album for 15 years and will be till i breathe my
> last breath. the quartet is
> kill! were it to come out with added material, i
> think surely i would die.
Don't die Kurt! If you wait till 2002 to die, you can
hear
Miles Davis Juan Le Pins Sessions (Columbia) 2 CDs û
2002
ù July 1969 concerts with Shorter, Corea, Holland, and
DeJohnette. The second concert is unissued.
Miles Davis The Complete Live at the Blackhawk 4 CDs
(Columbia) - 2002
ù with Mobley, Kelly, Cobb, Chambers.
Miles Davis Tribute To Jack Johnson Sessions
(Columbia) box set - 200x
Yeah! Give it up for acquisition-lust! Give it up
for the sublime!
- ----s
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:19:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Whit Schonbein <whit@twinearth.wustl.edu>
Subject: request
could everyone interested in the ongoing who's a jerk and who's not thread
please take it off-list? and *please* don't respond to this message
unless it's off-list. thanks.
whit (who thinks the ghost of amos from rec.music.bluenote has possesed
the zorn list, and promises he won't waste any more bandwidth with such
requests).
np - robyn hitchcock - invisible hitchcock
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:28:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Handley <thesubtlebody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Philip Johnston's Transparent Quartet
- --- Adam Taylor Tierney <attierne@indiana.edu> wrote:
> Hey, I'm looking for information on Philip Johnston
> and the web
> has failed me, so I thought I'd draw on the scarily
> inclusive reservoir of
> music information that is this list.
The Zorn connection is right-on (Johnston has an album
of film music on Tzadik, one score of which is for THE
MUSIC OF CHANCE, which I believe is based on a novel
by Paul Auster, who is a friend of Zorn's----yeah!),
and he was briefly discussed before on-list as the
composer of NPR music, I think. His Web Site of
Madness (replete with crazed circus music) is at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~philjohnston/
Go now, and sin no more. (Use Google.com)
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:28:55 -0700
From: mcizon@800.com
Subject: Good Rock Records Of '84
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Husker Du - Zen Arcade
Minutemen - Double Nickels On The Dime
Los Lobos - How Will The Wolf Survive?
R.E.M. - Reckoning
Meat Puppets - Meat Puppets II
The Fall - The Wonderful And Frightening World
The Replacements - Let It Be
Pogues - Red Roses For Me
That's all I could come up with off the top of my head. Not a bad year for
SST (or Minneapolis, for that matter).
Thanks to all for the Prelapse posts. I'll see if I can find a copy at a
local store that allows "previews."
Murray
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:48:39 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Good Rock Records Of '84
In a message dated 10/5/00 2:30:11 PM, mcizon@800.com writes:
<< Minutemen - Double Nickels On The Dime >>
an incredible record, highly recommended for anyone who hasn't heard it,
although my most played Minutemen CD is Post-Mersh, volume 2 (SST), which
contains all of the superb Project Mersh, along with another pretty good EP,
Buzz Or Howl Under The Influence Of Heat. D. Boon's (guitar/vocals) death in
a car crash in 1985 was a huge loss. one of the great rock bands of all time,
and still less appreciated than they should be.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
- -
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:02:36 -0400
From: Maurice Rickard <maurice@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Good Rock Records Of '84
Then I'll make an annoyance of myself and reiterate that y'all should
see Mike Watt on his current tour.
http://www.hootpage.com/hoot_pissbagtour.html
He'll be in your own 'hood tomorrow; Philadelphia tonight.
Cheers,
Maurice
At 2:48 PM -0400 10/5/00, JonAbbey2@aol.com wrote, re Minutemen:
>
>one of the great rock bands of all time,
>and still less appreciated than they should be.
>
>Jon
>www.erstwhilerecords.com
>
>-
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/
- -
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:09:03 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: re: a cage so easily rattled needs rattling
me:
>>>no, there is absolutely no merit system of posting.<<<
sZ:
>>If there is no merit system for posting why are you giving people who
>>express opinions different from yours such a hard time?
my only objections have been to people taking it upon themselves to tell another
member not to post and even to get off the list (and to presume to speak for
everyone on the list), all for comments so banal and inoffensive that i'm
surprised this discussion carries on.
and i'm sorry to prolong it, except that i actually do care about this place. as
gets pointed out every so often by different list members, we have something of
value here, and i chose to defend it when i saw some (in my opinion) very
negative traits developing. it's something like if you're favorite music venue -
- - not just a place where you saw great sets, but where you'd come to know people
in the audience -- suddenly instituted a drink minimum. mightn't you say 'what
about people who don't drink? what about people who are underage? i don't want
to see them excluded.'
true it wasn't done with any authority or enforcement, but i would like to say
(as someone who has probably earned a little merit for having some moments of
insight and doing some work to support the music by creating a new venue in nyc,
since these things seem now to matter) that i support anyone's right to talk,
opine, spout off, ask questions and make mistakes in this forum. christ, i once
posted here 'john coltrane invented jazz and albert ayler perfected it, everyone
else is just filling in the blanks' because i thought it was funny (while making
a ridiculously exagerrated point about my own likes). as stoopid as that is to
say, i only got two responses trying to gauge if i was serious. what was the big
deal with what sigmund said? i'm a-flabbergasted and rather put off.
on the other hand, it was only a handful of people that found sigmund's comments
so distasteful that they had to post to everyone about it. hundreds of people
never post at all. i guess i should try and keep that in mind as i try to put
forth my own opinions in order to try to preserve what i really value about the
zornlist.
my apologies to the lurkers.
kg
- -
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:14:19 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: a night of brecht, oct. 14
Please include in listings or announce Contact: 212-567-0780
Neues Kabarett presents
Interpreting Brecht - an Evening of Poetry and Song
Celebrating The Brecht Forum's 25th Anniversary
On Saturday, October 14 at 9 pm, a special performance will celebrate the
25th Anniversary of The Brecht Forum. The event is $8 at 122 West 27th
Street, 10th Floor, between 6th and 7th Avenues in Manhattan.
9 pm "How to Screw an Angel" - a three person performance that reimagines
Brecht's erotic poems in the shape of a contemporary narrative: a boxer, two
women, a single night in Hamburg or New Orleans. Directed by James Graham,
with the assistance of Gudrun Arndt (text) and Sam Lipman (music).
10:30 pm - Electronica Brecht - performed by: Gisburg (vocals), Karen
Mantler (piano and synthesizer), Phil Painson (sampler, percussion) and Kato
Hideki (bass) and featuring electronic, improvised interpretations of music
by Brecht, Weill, Eissler and Dessau with text by Brecht.
Background:
At the time of his death in 1956, Bertolt Brecht left behind an unedited trove
of erotic poems, reflections on the passionate life of the body. The poems,
written throughout Brecht's life, are the secret journal entries of his
emotional existence, recording his desire to know himself and others. They
neither reduce humanity to a set of physical reflexes nor do they
intellectualize passion. They are brutal, direct, funny, enraging. Those who
think they know everything about Brecht are in for a surprise with "How to
Screw an Angel."
"Electronica Brecht" was organized by Gisburg, a singer/composer from Berlin
who has toured around the world as a concert singer for new music. Settling
down in NYC in 1992, she has been working with musicians such as Cassatt
String quartet; Gary Lucas; Roy Nathanson; Anthony Coleman; Myra Melford;
William Hooker; and John Zorn, whose label Tzadik has released three CDs of
Gisburg's compositions. She founded the experimental electronica band Douce
with Phil Painson.
"Lotte Lenya once said that nobody can sing Weill's Music like Teresa
Stratas. So I listened to Stratas' singing and with all the artistic
respect to her I basically thought it was horrible. Which gave us the
freedom to do whatever we wanna do with this wonderful music. An Electronica
Improvisation with the original texts and translations true to the Brecht's
political sexiness." - Gisburg
The Brecht Forum is a place for people who are working for fundamental
social change and a new culture that puts human needs first. Offerings
range from classes, forums and panel discussions to art exhibits, poetry
readings and participatory theater workshops. The Forum's work is organized
through projects that include The New York Marxist School, The Institute for
Popular Education, The Organizers Program and Arts at the Brecht. Of the
many non-sectarian, left political schools that emerged in the 1970s, The
Brecht Forum has the distinction of thriving in the year 2000. The Forum
continues to believe that we are transformed through our acts of study as
well as through our acts of struggle. Upcoming 25th anniversary
celebrations this fall and winter range from a dramatic reading of Tony
Kushner's play "Slavs! Thinking About the Longstanding Problems of Virtue
and Happiness" to roundtable discussions under the banner "Learning &
Transforming Consciousness: Education & Movement Building." The 25th
anniversary celebrations will culminate with a really fun party in December.
- -
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:26:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Mingus Presents Mingus
Kurt:
Check Brian Priestly's Mingus book. I don't think
there's any extra Mingus material that hasn't been
used on other Candid discs.
Don't know about "alternate takes", though.
Ken Waxman
- --- kurt_gottschalk@scni.com wrote:
> that mingus presents mingus will be reissued by
> candid on 10/24, makes me wonder
> if anyone knows anything about the reissue. this has
> been my favorite mingus
> album for 15 years and will be till i breathe my
> last breath. the quartet is
> kill! were it to come out with added material, i
> think surely i would die.
_______________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:55:34 +0200
From: Tim Blechmann <TimBlechmann@gmx.de>
Subject: Re[2]: violin,Feldman and Vandermark, Age
Mark Feldman is the greatest violin player I ever heared.
Check out his duo SPACES with Wolfgang Puschnig. And he plays great
soli on Uri Caine's Mahler recordings (Live and Studio).
But his best stuff is on Dave Douglas' Charms Of The night sky.
Does anyone know OPEN LAND by John Abercrombie? I just know one track
from a promo cd.
For your poll: 18, male (8-)
PEACE
Tim
PS: Mark Feldman will play with Dave Douglas' Charms Of The Night Sky
in Nⁿrnberg, Germany, in november. Maybe someone is interested?
I saw them two years ago. The gig was much better than the CD. The
people were crying!
- -
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 22:06:27 +0200
From: Dirlack@t-online.de (Bjoern Dirlack)
Subject: Re: Lytton
Scott Handley schrieb:
> Paul Lytton
> My questions: could anyone who's seen him use
> electronics and percussion --- tabletop or otherwise
> --- give me an idea of what the set-up looks like, and
> how he performs in it? What sounds does it elicit?
It┤s an reduced "regular" drum kit (bass drum, snare, cymbals).
Besides is a standing metal frame with different amplified wires.
He bows or plucks the wires and uses volume pedals. The drum kit is mostly
treated by the bow(s). He also uses microphones for amplifying some
voice-effects.
It sounds howling and croaking and rattling - lo-fi. But mostly not loud.
He uses this set-up in concert with the "insect" players, seperately from his
works as a more energetic drummer (Evan Parker Trio).
> Plus: how have other percussionists you've seen
> handled this kind of process-material integration, in
> a live setting?
Swiss-based Guenter Mueller - amplified drum kit plus minidisc-player.
He has his own label: For4ears.
www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/
> Almost done: can anyone describe and/or recommend
> Lovens older (preferably in-print) catalog, including
> the duos with Paul Lovens on Po Torch vinyl?
> Electronics there, methinks.
Yes, percussion and live-electronics. They are probably interesting for you, but
not my favourites. Bur really great is the Lytton solo "The inclined stick" - an
early "noise" record.
My favourite Po Torch-records:
Paul Lovens / Toshinori Kondo "The Last Supper": rough and lovely
Paul Lovens / Urs Voerkel "Goldberg": sensitive and lovely
Paul Lovens / Guenter Christmann / Maarten Altena "Weavers": warm and lovely
They are all available I think - ask Paul.
> Finally: Speaking of Paul "Snappy Dresser" Lovens, has
> anyone yet seen him on tour with Eugene Chadbourne, or
> heard their new double-album on Leo? I'm going to New
> Orleans to see two nights next week, but you can spoil
> the surprise if you want.
You MUST go. I remember three Berlin concerts two/three years ago.
One of them probably one of THE concerts in the 90s.
Rough impro and country songs and Paul as a really SWINGING drummer.
Unfortunately I never heard the Victo and Leo discs.
Bjoern
NP: Fennesz "Hotel Paral.lel" Mego
Iskra 1903 "Chapter One 1970-1972" Emanem
Talk Talk "Spirit of Eden" EMI
- -
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Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 16:25:07 -0400
From: David Keffer <keffer@planetc.com>
Subject: good rock albums from 1984
>>..name me a good rock oriented record that came out in 1984!
>Well, apart from Husker Du's "Zen Arcade", obviously...
Zen Arcade is indeed a good one but here are 4 more that come to mind:
Big Black - Racer X ep
for crediting their drum machine, Roland, as an equal in the band
Killdozer - Intellectuals are the Shoeshine Boys of the Ruling Elite
for continually championing the proletariat cause in their music
SWANS - COP
for the lyrics: Cut off the head. Cut off the arms.
Cut off the legs. Get rid of the body. Heartache to heartache.
Job to Job.
Van Halen - 1984
This last one because is not "Jump" the rock anthem of the 1980's?
David K.
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