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Zorn List Digest      Friday, September 29 2000      Volume 03 : Number 079



In this issue:
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       Graewe/Hemingway/Howard @ Goethe Institut last night
       more drummer
       han/terre
       Re:Drum
       and more drummerz
       drums
       mp3
       Re: Drummers
       Re: and more drummerz
       Re: Drummers
       Re: Graewe/Hemingway/Howard @ Goethe Institut last night
       Re: Help with a Classical title/recording (No Zorn)
       Re: Graewe/Hemingway/Howard @ Goethe Institut last night
       Re: Help with a Classical title/recording (No Zorn)

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:48:48 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Graewe/Hemingway/Howard @ Goethe Institut last night

I went for the first hour.  I saw four "pieces":

1) Graewe solo (he read music...so...composition?)
2) Graewe/Howard (Howard on alto sax) improv
3) Graewe/Hemingway improv
4) trio improv (Howard on elec. keyboard)

notes:
- -Earl Howard is blind
- -Gerry Hemingway is still annoying to watch
- -Great to see Graewe for the first time.  (He does have 10 fingers on
each hand!)
- -Howard on the elec. keys left a lot to be desired.  He was just
messing around as far as I could see.  Now, I don't really mean
that...but it made me think the following: when I see a musician
performing and I think, I can do that, I am either inspired or
annoyed.  There's a fine line between inspiration and annoyance in
this case.

That's all

Dan Hewins

P.S.: Jon @ erstwhile: I saw you there but I had to cut out early or
I would have said hello.  How did I know it was you?  guess.  Plus
you were handing out CDs and talking about magazine ads etc.  I was
in the third row near the aisle on the left.

np: Ellery Eskelin "Ramifications"


>I wanted to let people know about a free show by the trio of Georg Graewe,
>Gerry Hemingway and Earl Howard this Thursday, September 28, 2000 from
>7:00
>p.m. to 9:00 p.m. at the Goethe-Institut New York, 1014 Fifth Avenue
>(across
>the street from the Met Museum).
>
>more details at:
>
>www.goethe.de/uk/ney/enpmusik.htm
>
>Jon
>www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:00:05 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: more drummer

ack! how'd i forget hamid drake? drake and any bassist are the best rhythm
section around.

and j.t. lewis. whomp that snare!

milford graves, of course.

kahil el'zabar, live.

and,

arther g. wondered aloud:
> What about the Han bennink solo discs? I'm curious about them...

haven't heard tempo comodo in a while, but didn't really care for it when i did.
the 1973 title 'nerve beats' just issued (for the first time?) under atavistic's
'unheard music' series (and yes, that is my 3d ref to that imprint this morning)
is really good. all the character, charm, intensity and spirit you'd expect.

hard to pin why some work better than others. something like cecil or derek, i
think. players of that ilk seem to just either be there or not...

more drummers will no doubt come to mind, and i'll be upset again at having
forgotten them. like michael wemberly, who'll be playing at tonic with mat
maneri and borah bergman next week.

kg



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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:04:33 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: han/terre

hi, arthur,

i'm trailing here, but yeah, the han/terre thing is pretty cool. they stick
together like glue.

kg



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Date: 29 Sep 2000 16:59:27 -0000
From: "Tim Keenliside" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:Drum

The absolutely "hands down" best mf drummer I've ever
experienced live is Swapan Chaudhuri, the Indian tabla
player, who played solo (and with sarangi accompaniment).
From watching his hands, it was difficult to comprehend
the sounds and rhythms he was creating, at times it
sounded like multiple players. If you ever have the
chance, check this guy out, he will blow your mind!
Apparently, he has perfected tabla techniques that Zakir
Hussain is still trying to learn (from him). And Zakir is
certainly no slouch, he's another phenomenal drummer,
especially with his Masters of Indian Percussion concerts.
Samul Nori, the Korean percussion group, were pretty
amazing live. Elvin Jones is definitely one of the greats,
worth checking out no matter who he's playing with. His
bands lately have been lacklustre, but you can always tune
them out and just focus on the pure bliss of his playing
(checked him once with Sonny Fortune and Ravi Coltrane,
that was a good band). Seeing Hamid Drake in the Die Like
A Dog quartet was a recent highlight, as well as his duo
with Fred Anderson. That cat can swing! And of course Joey
Baron, another drummer who creates radiant joy with his
playing. As for rock drumming, my favourite has been Jaki
Liebezeit from Can, the human drum machine, no flash, just
rock solid steady pound groove. And lastly, listening to
the old Mahavishnu Orchestra albums again begs the
question, why is there no one now who can play like Billy
Cobham? So much for evolution..

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:17:29 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: and more drummerz

aargh! i hate this thread. two days behind and so many great drummers in the
world.

yes, carbif, max. the dual at columbia last summer was the stuff of legends.

someone who's truly talented (and a friendly acquaintence of mine) is racqui
danzig. not known to many here, i'd guess, but new yorkers who get a chance
should check her out. go by figaro's in the west village on (most) sunday
nights, ignore or ogle the belly dancers as you choose, but check out the dumbek
player in the corner. she's pretty remarkable.

christine bard, that guy that just left fushitsusha after about a year in the
band who's name i forget, michael zerang, paul lovens, yes sZ, gregg bendian,
gerry hemingway, andrew cyrille in his day anyway, rashied ali is a phenom, oh
my god! reggie nicholson!! sheez... oh, and neel murgai with haunted house,
andrew barker always but especially with little huey, chad taylor will be back
in town soon, cooper-moore on heads sans the drums...

anyone tired of me yet?

funny thing, tho, is i think it's a rare drummer that does excels as a leader.
anyone agree?



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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:20:36 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: drums

My god, eveyone's input on the drum subject has been most impressive...i
guess thats what i like about this list, varying opinions and diversity.

from what i've heard, i really like sonny murray and rashied ali. no one has
mentioned these guys...of course their could be reasons why of which i am
unaware simply because i know little about percussion..

thanks to all, and keep it coming :-)

ben o.

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:39:56 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: mp3

as usual, write me for the full text if you're interested.

kg

Mp3.com launches 'Million E-mail March' in support of Internet music bill
By GARY GENTILE
AP Business Writer
LOS ANGELES (AP) - MP3.com Inc. is launching a political campaign to support a
bill that would make it legal to store music digitally and listen to songs over
the Internet.
The bill could end a legal battle the company is facing over charges of
copyright infringement.
Dubbed the "Million E-mail March," the campaign supports a bill introduced this
week by Rep. Rick Boucher, D-Va., and three Republican co-sponsors.
The bill would amend federal copyright laws to make it legal to create a digital
copy of a recording, known as an MP3 file, after first proving ownership of the
music. Consumers would then be able to send that file over the Internet and
listen to the digital copy from a remote location.
It's just that activity that resulted in a landmark legal case brought by the
five major music labels against San Diego-based MP3.com. The company introduced
its "My.Mp3.com" listening service earlier this year, which allowed a listener
to briefly insert a compact disc into a computer to prove ownership of the CD,
then listen to a digital copy of the music already stored on a computer at
MP3.com's headquarters.
Mp3.com argued it should only have to buy and store one copy of a CD on its
computers and allow multiple users to listen. The record companies argued the
system shortchanged them and violated their copyrights because MP3.com was
allowing millions of people to listen to one CD.



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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:32:28 -0500
From: Moudry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Drummers

At 18:39 29-09-00 +1000, you wrote:
>Jim Black is one of the most intelligent (as well as hugely creative)
>drummers I have heard, check out any of Dave Douglas' Tiny Bell Trio
>albums...

BIG second for the above. I'd also add Susie Ibarra, who is totally
awesome, and the amazing Hamid Drake. In fact, I'd love to see these three
interact (Black, Ibarra & Drake) and hope that there would be recordings
made of the event.

Saturnally,
Joe Moudry,
Master of Saturn Web (Sun Ra, the Arkestra, & Free Jazz):
<http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry>
Producer/Host of Classic Jazz & Creativ Improv on Alabama Public Radio:



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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:45:07 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: and more drummerz

[e-mail] writes:
> funny thing, tho, is i think it's a rare drummer that does excels as a
leader.
>  anyone agree?

In jazz, those exceptions are the leaders Art Blakey, Max Roach, Elvin Jones,
Rashied Ali, Ronald Shannon Jackson, and more recently Gregg Bendian and
Ginger Baker.

To add to the last drummer thread, I'd add the fantastic Leon Parker, who's
on albums by Charlie Hunter, David Sanchez, Jacky Terrason, and Tom Harrell.
He's known for playing a minimal drum kit and has led a few albums of his
own.  I second the praise for Alex Cline, L.A.'s most skilled
drummer...behind the elder Billy Higgins.  Higgins, who became known for his
work with the great Ornette Coleman quintet, is still a wonder to watch live.
 There is simply no other drummer on this planet who enjoys playing the drums
more--the guy would still be grinning from ear-to-ear and shaking his head if
he were playing a death march.  And there are very few jazz musicians that
have NOT played with Higgins.  Despite how busy the guy is, for years he's
run a weekend drum workshop for children in Los Angeles.  The man is a saint.


jeff caltabiano
n.p. john carter: castles of ghana  ...(w/ andrew cyrille on drum)

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:25:04 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Drummers

On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 07:35:18AM -0400, Caleb T. Deupree wrote:

> Among rockers, I've always liked Bill Bruford, whose work with King Crimson
> over the last 20 years (geez, has it really been that long?) is always
> superlative.  Of course, the best Crimson album for percussion is Larks
> Tongues in Aspic, where Jamie Muir joins the group.  Surprised our local
> Crimson worshipper, Steve Smith, didn't mention them, but he probably
> hasn't gotten a new collectors club recording in a week or so ;-)

One of the older Collector's Club CDs includes 40-minute free improv
by the Fripp-Wetton-(Cross?)-Bruford-Muir lineup. Mmmm....

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:15:09 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Graewe/Hemingway/Howard @ Goethe Institut last night

<<Jon @ erstwhile: I saw you there but I had to cut out early or
I would have said hello.  How did I know it was you?  guess.  Plus
you were handing out CDs and talking about magazine ads etc.>>

yup, that was indeed me, although I'm not exactly sure how one would know
without the CDs and ad talk.

musically, it was Georg's gig, and he basically played nonstop throughout all
of the pieces, not paying much attention to the other two. I wasn't too into
him, but I can't really listen to many pianists these days.

<<Howard on the elec. keys left a lot to be desired.  He was just
messing around as far as I could see.>>

to be fair, major parts of his keyboard had broken a few days before. he
looked into renting a replacement, but it was a $6000 deposit, plus $75 a day.

Gerry was my favorite of the three, staying pretty focused on the subtler
side of his work, and not lapsing into the vigorous solos which I'm not a big
fan of.

the room there is really nice, all wood, and great acoustics everywhere in
it. too bad there's not more venues like that downtown.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:38:44 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Help with a Classical title/recording (No Zorn)

All,

Thanks so much for the many thoughtful and informative responses to my
Rautavaara query.  I knew this was the group to ask.

Just to give you a brief glimpse into my obsessive compulsive personality,
after getting Steve Smith's magnificent missive detailing Rautavaara's
discography, I immediately went to Amazon and CheapCD and ordered SIX discs
of his music.

I also called the local radio station that aired the Chicago Symphony
Orchestra's performance of Violin Concerto No. 1 and was informed that it has
not yet been released, and may never be released.  So the "Angels and
Visitations" version will have to suffice for now.  i'm sure it's as good if
not better than the CSO's version.

Again, many thanks.

Tom

np: Thomas Chapin "Haywire"

In a message dated 9/28/00 10:18:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Tom:

 The piece you heard had to have been the Violin Concerto of contemporary
Finnish
 composer Einojuhani Rautavaara (b. 1928).  There is one available recording
on
 the Ondine label, catalog number 881-2.  The disc is titled 'Angels and
 Visitations' and also includes the titular piece and a third work, 'Isle of
 Bliss.'  It's a great performance by the Helsinki Philharmonic under the
 direction of Leif Segerstam, and featuring the same very fine violin soloist
you
 heard, Elmar Oliveira.  The disc was released in 1997, and Amazon's certainly
 got it.

 And you're a lucky man if your local radio station aired it, given the state
of
 most classical radio these days, but then I'm guessing that what you heard
was a
 broadcast concert by the Chicago Symphony, since they haven't recorded the
piece
 commercially.

 Other recommended works by Rautavaara if you liked this are the Symphony No.
7
 "Angel of Light," the Double Bass Concerto "Angel of Dusk" (all of these
"angel"
 titles bespeak a latent Brucknerian mysticism coming out in the composer's
 recent music), and 'Cantus Arcticus,' a 1972 piece for orchestra and taped
 birdsong that may be his best-known work.  This last piece is available on a
 disc with the Symphonies No. 4 and 5 on Ondine (which has presented a great
 amount of the composer's works in all genres), with 'Angel of Light' on a
more
 recent Bis label recording, or with the Symphony No. 3 and the Piano Concerto
 No. 1 at a super-budget price on Naxos.  And a personal favorite of mine is
the
 truly strange 1982 piece for male chorus, soloists and tape 'The Myth of
Sampo,'
 a setting of a heroic folktale from the Finnish national saga, the Kalevala.
 Imagine Vikings singing to a backing tape by early Subotnik, maybe...

 Steve Smith
 [e-mail]
 NP - Samuel Barber, Symphony No. 1, Royal Scottish National Orch. / Marin
Alsop
 (Naxos)

 [e-mail] wrote:

 > Last night I was listening to my local Classical station, and they
 > played an absolutely gorgeous, sweeping, ambitious piece I'd never heard
 > before.  When it ended the announcer said the name of the composer, the
guest
 > violinist, the orchestra, and the conductor.  The orchestra was the Chicago
 > Symphony Orchestra.  The conductor was James Paul.  But I could not for the
 > life of me understand or recognize the composer's name.  Phonetically, it's
 > spelled "Routabon."  No such composer exists at any of the major online CD
 > outlets.  The guest violinist was phonetically named "Omar Olivera" ("Elmar
 > Aloe Vera?").  Again, multiple searches have yielded no results.  Dead ends
 > at every turn.  The violin featured prominently and stunningly, sounding
very
 > much like Mark Feldman at times.  I believe the announcer said something
 > about either the violinist or the composer gaining formidable fame in
 > Finland, Norway and Sweden.  (I don't know which because the damn phone
rang
 > just as I was writing down all this information.)  The composition was from
 > 1977. >>

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:43:47 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Graewe/Hemingway/Howard @ Goethe Institut last night

>yup, that was indeed me, although I'm not exactly sure how one would know
>without the CDs and ad talk.

Well, I didn't really guess until the CDs and ad talk...

><<Howard on the elec. keys left a lot to be desired.  He was just
>messing around as far as I could see.>>
>
>to be fair, major parts of his keyboard had broken a few days before. he
>looked into renting a replacement, but it was a $6000 deposit, plus $75 a day.

That doesn't change the nature of the performance.  I don't think
it's important for me to know that and knowing that doesn't make the
performance better.  Sorry to be harsh but that's how I feel.

>the room there is really nice, all wood, and great acoustics everywhere in
>it. too bad there's not more venues like that downtown.

I agree but I don't know that that's really a "music venue."  It
seems like it's one of many rooms in a beautiful, old, parkside
building that happened to have music playing in it.  Great place
though!

Dan Hewins

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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:55:35 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Help with a Classical title/recording (No Zorn)

[e-mail] wrote:

> Just to give you a brief glimpse into my obsessive compulsive personality,
> after getting Steve Smith's magnificent missive detailing Rautavaara's
> discography, I immediately went to Amazon and CheapCD and ordered SIX discs
> of his music.

Wow.  Which ones?  I hope you end up liking the stuff, or I'm gonna feel real
guilty.

> I also called the local radio station that aired the Chicago Symphony
> Orchestra's performance of Violin Concerto No. 1 and was informed that it has
> not yet been released, and may never be released.  So the "Angels and
> Visitations" version will have to suffice for now.  i'm sure it's as good if
> not better than the CSO's version.

Fascinating.  I know the CSO has (or had?) a recording contract with Teldec under
Barenboim's direction.  James Paul I don't know at all, and I wonder for whom
they made their recording if it was not a live concert thing.  Interesting that
they would use the same soloist.  The Helsinki Philharmonic may not be quite the
same calibre as the CSO, but they're very, very good, and Leif Segerstam has a
definite affinity for Rautavaara's work, so in that respect the Ondine recording
may actually be better than what you heard.  And Ondine does a great job with
recordings.

Enjoy!
Steve Smith
[e-mail]


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