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Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #78
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Zorn List Digest Friday, September 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 078
In this issue:
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Han & Terrie
Re: Drummers
Re: Drummers
Re: Drummers
R: Drummers
Re: drummers
Re: drummers
re: drummers
re: Drummers
re drum/wuorinen & others
re: Drummers
Re: Drummers
Re: R: Drummers
Re: drummers
Re: Drummers
Re: Help with a Classical title/recording (No Zorn)
Re: R: Drummers
Re: Saxy Bass Wars, Mari/a/on/o, it ain't easy bein' GREEN
heavy days are here again
drummers
Raskatov
Re: drummers
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:07:27 GMT
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Han & Terrie
Hello,
Another Han Bennink question:
Has anybody heard his duo with Terrie from The Ex? Might be the perfect
punk/jazz combination.
ARTHUR_G
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:24:54 EDT
From: JonAbbey2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Drummers
In a message dated 9/29/00 7:20:19 AM, jabu@sminter.com.ar writes:
<< Also i want to mention Fritz Hauser , incredible technique ,tuning and
creativity >>
oh, good one! both Pensieri Bianchi and Solodrumming on hat Art are both
superb solo percussion discs, especially Pensieri Bianchi. not sure if
they're still in print, but I know Solodrumming is being reissued by them
soon.
Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:26:39 GMT+0100
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <usva-th2@bureau.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Drummers
Oh yeah, Colaiuta is amazing. Both he and Bruford made some
astonishing recordings with (again) Allan Holdsworth. The thing
which makes Colaiuta even more interesting is the way in which he
incorporated odd-meters in Sting's 'Seven Days' which still
sounded like a regular popsong.
Jeroen
> What about Vinnie Colaiuta ,his work in Shut up and Play yer guitar is
> astonishing.
> Also i don`t want to forget Bill bruford .
>
> Antonio
>
>
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>
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Jeroen de Boer
music director Open Electronic Festival/Cyberslag Foundation
Munnekeholm 10, 9711JA Groningen
The Netherlands
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usva-th2@bureau.rug.nl
http://www.cyberslag.com
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:35:18 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Drummers
At 05:05 PM 9/28/00 EDT, ObviousEye@aol.com wrote:
>the best drum/percussion related or percussion dominated records
I have to weigh in too. No one has mentioned Fritz Hauser yet (but look --
here come two messages about him), and he is one of the first solo
percussionists in the jazz world to get my attention. His albums are
always meticulously recorded, and although his playing might be a little
cold for some people, I've always enjoyed listening to him and prefer to
think of his work as 'clean'. Among his solo works, my favorite is
Pensieri Bianchi, a gallery piece where his music accompanied fairly sparse
drawings (some of which are reproduced in the booklet), lots of cymbal work
and small sounds, although he can roar with the best of them at times. For
his ensemble work, I like the Koglmann larger ensemble albums. All of the
above on Hat (and probably receding from print even as we read this).
Among rockers, I've always liked Bill Bruford, whose work with King Crimson
over the last 20 years (geez, has it really been that long?) is always
superlative. Of course, the best Crimson album for percussion is Larks
Tongues in Aspic, where Jamie Muir joins the group. Surprised our local
Crimson worshipper, Steve Smith, didn't mention them, but he probably
hasn't gotten a new collectors club recording in a week or so ;-)
Milford Graves album on Tzadik should be mentioned in this context, as
should the Japanese group Kodo.
For classical percussion, I've got several works by Nexus (a six-piece
group) that I like, but they're all secondary to the main works on the
albums. I'm thinking particularly of two beautiful pieces, one by Gavin
Bryars on the Farewell to Philosophy album, and the other From me flows
what you call Time by Toru Takemitsu. And didn't Xenakis write some
roaring percussion pieces? Can't lay my hands on them at the moment
though...
- --
Caleb Deupree
cdeupree@erinet.com
Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.
- -- Satchel Paige
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:05:39 +0200
From: "carbif" <carbif@tin.it>
Subject: R: Drummers
and max roach?
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:01:51 +0100
From: Peter Marsh <marshp@richmond.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: drummers
ObviousEye@aol.com wrote:
> if you were to compile a list of the best drum/percussion related or
> percussion dominated records, what would they be, and from what genres?
can't believe no-one's mentioned ronald shannon jackson. one of those
drummers who manages to stay utterly distinctive in any context while
being sensitive to it (even when being subjected to b. laswell's studio
technique). also (pause for prog rock fanfare) christian vander .
(incidentally, reviews of solo drum recordings by vander and rsj can be
found at motion...
http://motion.state51.co.uk
also chris cutler remains IMHO one of the most inventive drummers
around. still no-one quite like him...
anyway, to answer the question (all percussion/drums)
christian vander - korusz
harald weiss - trommelgufluster
ronsld shannon jackson - puttin' on dog
steve reich - six marimbas
cheers
peter
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:20:44 +0100
From: stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: drummers
Well, my tastes are much more mainstream than that of most other
listmembers, I guess, but here are some of my favorite drummers:
Anton Fier -- one of the best rock drummers in my book, some of
his best work can be heard on Bob Mould's BLACK SHEETS OF RAIN.
Harvey Mason -- excellent fusion drummer, he's incredible on
Charles Earland's LEAVING THIS PLANET
Tony Williams -- probably the most awesome drummer ever, his
performances on Arcana's ARC OF THE TESTIMONY are killer.
Mick Harris -- pure aggression, his playing on Painkiller's
EXECUTION GROUND (with Laswell & Zorn) is incredible.
I can also recommend these two:
Alphonse Mouzon -- he was a powerhouse drummer before he got
interested in smooth jazz (which I don't really consider a
fault--shoot me!); his own IN SEARCH OF A DREAM on MPS is
awesome, and his VIRTUE (on MPS, too) is good, too.
Billy Cobham -- his first solo recording, SPECTRUM, is a classic
recording of "fusion powerdrumming".
There are many others, of course ... Ronald Shannon Jackson, Brain,
Sly Dunbar, ... oh, and I think Slipknot's drummer (#1, I think)
has got excellent chops as well.
Kind regards,
- Chris.
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:48:55 EDT
From: SOUPBEARD@aol.com
Subject: re: drummers
my opinion is a little less zorn oriented mostly because i am new to this
world of music and some things are quite new to me. mentioned before was
Igor Stravinsky....great percussion. though not the most drum oriented
composition, petrouchka is my favorite. i'm a big fan of chad smith of the
red hot chili peppers. his playing on mother's milk and blood sugar sex
magik was very funky and solid. lets see....mentioned before were terry
bozzio and vinnie calliuta and they are a couple of my favorites and did some
great work with zappa and with other groups as well. i would have to say
one of my absolute favorites is Mike Mangini. he plays on a few steve vai
albums (though i hate the "music" of steve vai) and does some really cool
work on mike keneally's song "egg zooming." he has developed a whole new
playing method that works very well. check out his book. i just recently
heard that he is now teaching at berklee college and students have seen him
in the practice rooms playing and eating his lunch simultaneously. very fun
stuff.
- -
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:49:34 EDT
From: "Bruno Bissonnette" <burningwater@hotmail.com>
Subject: re: Drummers
Someone mentionned Gary Novak, but what about Holdsworth's other drummers...
Chad Wackerman: absolutely amazing, and did great stuff with Zappa too.
Gary Husband: very unique, perhaps because he's also an incredible keyboard
player.
Others... Paul Hession, excellent recordings with Fell/Wilkinson on Bruce's
Fingers...
Ronald Shannon Jackson: Last Exit and much more...
If you can find them, Anders Johansson (Swede who played with (gasp!) Yngwie
Malmsteen) has done two completely amazing and very varied mostly solo and
ensemble percussion discs, "Shu-Tka" and "Red Shift", with everything from
"Black Page"-like Zappa-influenced tunes to African, Middle-Eastern and
Asian styles. Very powerful and complex -- at times almost "world beat" but
not corny.
And even harder to find, but definitely worth it: Morgan Agren from the
Mats/Morgan duo... discs are on UAE, but good luck getting them... here's a
link: www.morganagren.com. Highly recommended, a mix of (good) prog and
HUGE Zappa influence, sounding at times like Mike Keneally's (late Zappa
guitarist) solo records, but better. And Mat Oberg, his partner, is very
scary on the keys.
Bruno
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:51:51 EDT
From: Acousticlv@aol.com
Subject: re drum/wuorinen & others
In a message dated 9/28/00 11:06:42 PM, you wrote:
<<If you can still find the album 'Percussion Music' on Nonesuch, that's the
essential one. You get the one drop-dead classic of the genre ('Ionisation'
by
Edgard Varese), interesting works by Henry Cowell, Michael Colgrass and David
Saperstein, plus for my money the best piece of music Charles Wuorinen has
ever
written, his Percussion Symphony, a 40 minute piece featuring three long
movements for mostly untuned percussion instruments plus two "Entr'acte"
movements that are keyboard percussion transcriptions of a Petrarch setting by
Dufay, "Vergine Bella.">>
Dear Steve,
I have to agree with you about the Wuoninen piece; it's great. Last year
the Sonic Boom Festival at Cooper Union performed it again, with the same
forces, though the composer conducting, which he didnt on the LP. Still
slamming.
Forgive me, I havent follwed all the posts ---> If it hasn't been
mentioned, I find the Atavistic reissue of the Sven Ake Johanssen solo
percussion disc very intriguing, and also love Pheeroan akLaff's solo drum LP
(I think its on CD too ) "House of Spirit: Mirth"; a beautiful album.
Also, von Schlippenbach has a rather good new CD where he plays solos
with a large percussion ensemble.
Steve Koenig
- -
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:01:31 GMT+0100
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <usva-th2@bureau.rug.nl>
Subject: re: Drummers
> Someone mentionned Gary Novak, but what about Holdsworth's other drummers...
> Chad Wackerman: absolutely amazing, and did great stuff with Zappa too.
> Gary Husband: very unique, perhaps because he's also an incredible keyboard
> player.
I definiteley second your opinion about his other drummers,
although to my opinion Husbands playing is too stressful. I
happened to discuss Holdsworth's playing earlier this week with a
friend and we concluded that his own timing is very special also.
> And even harder to find, but definitely worth it: Morgan Agren from the
> Mats/Morgan duo... discs are on UAE, but good luck getting them...
> HUGE Zappa influence, sounding at times like Mike Keneally's (late Zappa
> guitarist) solo records, but better.
This record is nice, although I like Keneally's output much more
(and his drummers are amazing also).
Jeroen
- ----------------------------------------
Jeroen de Boer
music director Open Electronic Festival/Cyberslag Foundation
Munnekeholm 10, 9711JA Groningen
The Netherlands
tel/fax: +31 (0)503634676/(0)503632209
gsm: +31 (0)624814506
usva-th2@bureau.rug.nl
http://www.cyberslag.com
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:48:43 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: Drummers
Gerry Hemingway
Billy Higgins
Billy Mintz (live)
Alex Cline
Gregg Bendian
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:02:24 EDT
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Re: R: Drummers
<< What about Vinnie Colaiuta ,his work in Shut up and Play yer guitar is
astonishing. >>
Amazing. To my ears he is Bozzio's equal, and that is the highest of praise.
I saw Vinnie only one time, playing for Sting, and Vinnie was the reason I
attended the concert. Given the confines of Sting's music, Vinnie was
incredibly creative and lyrical, giving the music just the right backing
while still putting his personal stamp on the material.
Another favorite from way back: Chad Wackerman. I saw Chad playing for
Zappa and it was mind blowing. The man's chops were limitless.
Tony Williams. I never saw him live, but his work with Miles Davis is reason
enough to include him on any Best Drummers list. Any time I bring in a disc
of Miles's Quintet to work, people stop and say, "Wow, who's the drummer?"
And these are people who don't normally listen to anything beyond top 40. If
a drummer can elicit that kind of response from a non-music fan there's some
magic in his playing.
Finally, Dennis Chambers is one of the most exciting drummers I've ever seen.
When he played with John McGlaughlin a few years ago, Chambers stole the
show. The crowd sat transfixed on his every roll and crash. He got twice as
many applause as McGlaughlin and Joey Defrancesco combined. In fact, both
McGlaughlin and Defrancesco stopped multiple times to watch Chambers with
awe. A masterful performance.
Tom
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:03:03 EDT
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Re: drummers
Almost forgot Simon Philips
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:07:40 EDT
From: Samerivertwice@aol.com
Subject: Re: Drummers
And, oh my God......Barrimore Barlow (sp?)! Does anyone else know him?
Will Calhoun is pretty damn impressive too, having won Berkley's Buddy Rich
award when he was a student.
Omar Hakim
And Johnathon Mover, ex-Satriani skinman. He's got amazing chops. I've seen
him many times because he's from my hometown (Peabody, MA), and though he's
primarily a "rock"-type pounder, he can play nearly anything with style,
grace, and subtlety.
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:21:38 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Geert Buelens <buelens@uia.ua.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Help with a Classical title/recording (No Zorn)
Another question for you know-alls:
I had a similar experience a few years ago at an Ictus Ensemble
concert; they played a very, very beautiful piece by a Russian
(?) composer named Raskatov (?), but I haven't been able to track it down.
Any suggestions?
CDNow list a sampler ('Moscow Contemporary Music), but there might/must be
other recordings.
thanks
geert
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:00:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <mingusaum@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: R: Drummers
The two most interesting recent live solo drum
performances I've seen:
Andrew Cyrille --"playing" a Newark (NJ) newspaper as
part of his solo at the 1999 or '98 Vision Fest
Gunther "Baby" Sommer at the Empty Bottle Festival (at
the CCC) last May
You know what I think of Han Bennink live, but his
solo Atavistic/Unheard Music disc, Nerve Beats,
reissued from 1973 is quite good and interesting.
It's from a time before Han Bennink turned into HAN
BENNINK, if you get my drift.
Ken Waxman
- --- carbif <carbif@tin.it> wrote:
> and max roach?
>
> -
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:44:45 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Re: Saxy Bass Wars, Mari/a/on/o, it ain't easy bein' GREEN
At 9:38 PM -0700 9/28/00, Sigmund Nonanima wrote:
>William Crump <william@steno.com> wrote:
>
>> vs. Motorhead Sherwood/Roy Estrada!
>
>beautiful! thank you!
>
>how about:
>
>vs. Coltrane/Garrison (no one thought of that yet?!)
>
>vs. Eric Dolphy/Richard Davis
>
Part of my fantasy was that it would be possible for this to happen.
Coltrane and Dolphy wouldn't be able to participate these days.
Dan
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:51:30 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: heavy days are here again
someone asked about the atavistic reissue of this 1981 date.
this set is monstrously nice. leo cuypers, han bennink, willem breuker and arjen
gorter. i haven't listened enough to expound smartly yet, but it is quite good.
kg
np: hot azoi (italian klez band does shostakovich, what more could you ask for
on a friday morning?)
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:15:23 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: drummers
the obvious:
susie ibarra
han bennink
joey baron
the underrated:
tom rainey
gene lake
jim pugliese
the percussionist:
cyro baptista/beat the donkey
the record i don't get:
sven-ake johansson - schlingerland/dynamische schwingungen (atavistic unheard
music series reissue)
kg
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:28:36 +0200
From: "Jerzy Matysiakiewicz" <jerzym@dom.zabrze.pl>
Subject: Raskatov
Try this:
http://www.edition-peters.de/belaieff/raskatov/index.html
Jerzy
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:52:48 -0400
From: "Michael Berman" <mberman@his.com>
Subject: Re: drummers
if you were to compile a list of the best drum/percussion related or =
percussion > dominated records, what would they be, and from what =
genres?
in the jazz realm any albums with or led by:
shannon
susie
joey
jim b
milford
max
tony w
elvin
bobby previte !
ed blackwell
ususally dominate the record and not by force or being upfront =
necessarily. they just do so much, so interestingly that the ears =
follow. they all take a lead role rather than a background approach and =
they interplay with and push the others in the session.
(above top 10 not in specific order)
percuss: zakir
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