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Zorn List Digest Wednesday, September 20 2000 Volume 03 : Number 061
In this issue:
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Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)
Re: Bennie Maupin w/ Miles
Re: paul =?iso-8859-1?Q?sch=FCtze?=: surrealist?
Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)
downtown web site
"That Which Is Not" brain glitch
Re: "That Which Is Not" brain glitch
Dave Douglas/Misha Mengelberg 4tet @ Iridium
Re: "That Which Is Not" brain glitch
Re: "That Which Is Not" brain glitch
Re: "That Which Is Not" brain glitch
all of these things
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:42:47 GMT
From: "Bill Ashline" <bashline@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)
>From: Matthew Moffett <fkmoffet@erols.com>
>Wow! I forgot about that little book! It is _really good_; I found it
>used a few years ago, don't know if it's still in print. Tomkins is an
>excellent art critic in that he really seems to understand the avant
>garde of the 50's and 60's and can communicate those ideas very well.
>His somewhat recent biography on Duchamp is really quite good, and
>probably the least slanted that I've ever read.
The best stuff written on Duchamp is by Thierry DeDuve. He's got three
books: Pictorial Nominalism, The Definitively Unfinished Marcel Duchamp,
and Kant After Duchamp. Most assuredly check these out.
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:55:07 -0500
From: Moudry <Moudry@uab.edu>
Subject: Re: Bennie Maupin w/ Miles
Glenn,
A quick search of the excellent on line discography of Miles
<http://www.wam.umd.edu/~losinp/music/miles_ahead.html>
gives the following entries of Maupin in Miles recordings:
The Miles Ahead database contains 11 instances of Bennie Maupin.
Musician (instrument)
Date
Venue
Bennie Maupin (bcl)
August 19, 1969
Columbia Studio B, New York
Bennie Maupin (bcl)
August 20, 1969
Columbia Studio B, New York
Bennie Maupin (bcl)
August 21, 1969
Columbia Studio B, New York
Bennie Maupin (bcl)
November 19, 1969
Columbia Studio E, New York
Bennie Maupin (bcl)
November 28, 1969
Columbia Studio E, New York
Bennie Maupin (bcl)
January 27, 1970
Columbia Studio B, New York
Bennie Maupin (bcl)
January 28, 1970
Columbia Studio B, New York
Bennie Maupin (bcl)
February 18, 1970
Columbia Studios, New York
Bennie Maupin (bcl)
March 17, 1970
Columbia Studios, New York
Bennie Maupin (bcl)
April 7, 1970
Columbia Studios, New York
Bennie Maupin (bcl)
June 12, 1972
Columbia Studios, New York
Hope this helps.
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>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:55:20 -0400
>Subject: Re: Subject: Wadada Leo Smith and Bennie Maupin solo
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>
>
>Good review.
>
>Just a nitpick: I don't think Maupin played with Miles (if he did, it wasn't
>recorded). He did play with Lee Morgan, though. The "Live at the
Lighthouse"
>box set is quite a showcase for him. He was also in Herbie Hancock's
incredible
>"Mwandishi" band prior to Headhunters. What a band that was.
>
>Glenn
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:24:14 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: paul =?iso-8859-1?Q?sch=FCtze?=: surrealist?
"Caleb T. Deupree" wrote:
>=20
> Coincidentally with all this discussion of the surrealists, I was liste=
ning
> to an early Paul Sch=FCtze album yesterday, The Annihilating Angel, and
> noticed that a lot of the tracks are titled based on surrealist and rel=
ated
> topics. There were a couple of blanks for me, so perhaps some of you c=
ould
> fill in the blanks. Any of the titles that don't have authors mean
> anything to anyone?
>=20
> THE FALLS
Peter Greenaway, feature film, 1980
> THE PRESSURE OF THE TEXT (Barthes)
Sort of a pun on the original title, that, yes?
I suspect the album title's represents a double-translation mangling of B=
unuel's
_Exterminating Angel_.
- --=20
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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"My hair has grown thin thinking of music."
-- I Wayan Lotring
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:06:10 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)
On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:49:15 -0400 Matthew Moffett wrote:
>
> I'd say you're on the mark with a lot of your comments. If nothing
> else, I think that so much of the "experimental" music these days is
> driven but what was laid down by the early modernists, be they Satie,
> the Dadaist performances, whatever. They started to experiment with
Do you seriously believe that we had to wait for the 20th century to
discover experimentation?
It is akin to the old saying that every generation thinks that they
invented sex :-).
Since we are indulging in the connection literature and music, I was
surprised to learn that Varese in 1929 fancied himself writing an
opera with a libretto by Robert Desnos, Alejo Carpentier, and Georges
Ribemont-Dussaigne!
Since I have read Varese bio by Odile Vivier more than 20 years ago,
I can't remember if it is a known fact or (likely) that I simply
forgot.
Concerning the Miller-Varese connection, I seem to remember that it
started as a Nin-Varese one (Varese was a good friend of Anais and
I guess Henry was around).
Also, as a global comment, the connection literary-music is more often
than not as shallow as quoting. I mean, you read a novel; you like it;
you write a piece that you name after your last infatuation. To stick
to this list, ELEGY is maybe one of the very few instances of music
with a strong literary connection and which works (without the obvious
recourse to lyrics/text). I find most of these attempts, usually, pure
wishful thinking and quite naive (not to mention the "open umbrella"
attitude attached to such vain exercises: by naming my piece of music
after a genius of literature, who would dare to attack it). How many
pieces of music (without lyrics/text of course) with alleged strong
literary connection (like title, inspiration) could you name that
really work?
Patrice.
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:41:46 -0500
From: kurt_gottschalk@scni.com
Subject: downtown web site
Benjamin said:
>Lastly, I think the discussion should happen off-list.
I disagree. I'm glad Peter a) wants to do the work and b) wants to include the
opinions of others. It's all well and good to talk about the complete works of
Varese, but I'm also glad to see a discussion of something tangible, something
happening here.
I signed up to the new Jim O'Rourke list, and within days there was a member
recording project planned. It's exciting to me when we, as a defined group of
folks, can make something. Proximity is, like, so 20th century.
kg
np: kahil el'zabar ritual trio - africa n'dea blues
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:55:24 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: "That Which Is Not" brain glitch
Hail Z-list:
So I'm finally reading 'Moby Dick' for the first time (!) and I came
across the phrase "that which is not." And it fired my synapses... as
in, I'm pretty sure someone released an album by that title and I just
can't remember who. And it's eating me up like a pesky little gnat.
Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about? Or am I on the pipe, so to
speak? Private reponses preferable for the sanity of all concerned, I'm
sure.
(If it's not an album title, it should be...)
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP - New Klezmer Trio, "Obsessive," 'Short for Something' (Tzadik)
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:19:00 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: "That Which Is Not" brain glitch
It was, I believe, The Recordings, which include(d?) John Berndt and
Bob Zerang.
On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:55:24PM -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
> Hail Z-list:
>
> So I'm finally reading 'Moby Dick' for the first time (!) and I came
> across the phrase "that which is not." And it fired my synapses... as
> in, I'm pretty sure someone released an album by that title and I just
> can't remember who. And it's eating me up like a pesky little gnat.
>
> Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about? Or am I on the pipe, so to
> speak? Private reponses preferable for the sanity of all concerned, I'm
> sure.
>
> (If it's not an album title, it should be...)
>
> Steve Smith
> ssmith36@sprynet.com
> NP - New Klezmer Trio, "Obsessive," 'Short for Something' (Tzadik)
>
>
> -
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:59:00 -0400
From: Dan Hewins <dan@synsolutions.com>
Subject: Dave Douglas/Misha Mengelberg 4tet @ Iridium
I was fortunate enough to witness the above named quartet at Iridium
last night. The show was fantastic! The group consisted of Dave
Douglas on trumpet, Misha Mengelberg on piano, Brad Jones on bass,
and Han Bennink on drums.
The show, amazingly, started exactly on time. At precisely 8:45 Han
and Misha walked on stage and Han instantly picked up his sticks and
began playing (perhaps even before he sat down). That began a free
improv introduction to the set which segued into a composed tune
seamlessly. The set continued with some of Misha's compositions and
a Monk tune, "Epistrophy." One section began with Dave suggesting to
the group, "Let's just play. Something not too stupid. Maybe
something really stupid." That improv also segued into another tune.
I spoke with Brad between sets and he said that they played a
"Mish-mash of Misha's tunes" during the set with the improvs and Monk
tune in there. Similar to Douglas' "Frisell Dream," Misha played a
"solo" piece that was inspired by a dream in which he heard a Grieg
piece (I think the Peer Gynt suite). In his dream,there was a person
with a hammer jumping around hitting people on the head, killing
them, to the time of the music; Misha had a iron hat on so the hammer
did not kill him when the hopping hammerer came to him. I say "solo"
because Dave suggested he play a solo piece, which he began solo, but
Han joined in so it became a duo. Han is quite a character. He is
one of the craziest drummers I have witnessed. Before the second
tune he donned a bandanna as a headband which likened him to a ninja
of sorts. His physical movements and facial expressions were
hilarious and his playing was superb. He had his feet up on the
drums at times. He saw a coat hanger hanging from a wire and took it
down and made like it was flying like an airplane until it hit a
cymbal and he tossed it behind him. He once made a moustache for
himself out of the brushes. Brad Jones was impressive. He was in
with the rest of the world-class musicians and has a number of great
bass solos.
The second set contained a Monk medley, which was not so much a
medley because they completed songs. I really don't like medleys.
They played more of Misha's tunes and more free improv as well.
On a side note, I was not pleased to have to go to Iridium to see
this group. It's great for them but bad for me. I just don't like
the overpriced dinner and jazz clubs like the Blue Note, Birdland,
Iridium, and Sweet Basil. The Village Vanguard is still expensive
but at least they don't serve food. The dinner thing just takes away
from the music. For me it means forks and knives clinking dishes and
waiters running around and people talking. There was a group of
older folks who were talking so loud I'm not sure they knew what the
music sounded like. Another man answered his cell phone (which, of
course, was on) and began talking right at his table! My dirty looks
didn't phase him and he continued until a waiter asked him to leave.
Unbelievable! If I have to shell out the big bucks to catch a night
of music because they're not playing at Tonic or another reasonably
priced club, I don't want to have to deal with all that other crap.
How can we accommodate the group that just wants to hear music and
the group that wants "a night out on the town with dinner and live
jazz" in the same place? I doubt it can be done.
Dan Hewins
- -
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:54:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nathan Earixson <nearixson@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: "That Which Is Not" brain glitch
Public Image Ltd.
- -nme!
- --- Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
> Hail Z-list:
>
> So I'm finally reading 'Moby Dick' for the first time (!) and I came
> across the phrase "that which is not." And it fired my synapses... as
> in, I'm pretty sure someone released an album by that title and I just
> can't remember who. And it's eating me up like a pesky little gnat.
>
> Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about? Or am I on the pipe, so to
> speak? Private reponses preferable for the sanity of all concerned, I'm
> sure.
>
> (If it's not an album title, it should be...)
>
> Steve Smith
> ssmith36@sprynet.com
> NP - New Klezmer Trio, "Obsessive," 'Short for Something' (Tzadik)
>
>
> -
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:16:37 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@metatronpress.com>
Subject: Re: "That Which Is Not" brain glitch
No, waitaminnit, that was "That Nothing Is Known". Nevermind.
On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:19:00PM -0400, Joseph Zitt wrote:
> It was, I believe, The Recordings, which include(d?) John Berndt and
> Bob Zerang.
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:55:24PM -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
> > Hail Z-list:
> >
> > So I'm finally reading 'Moby Dick' for the first time (!) and I came
> > across the phrase "that which is not." And it fired my synapses... as
> > in, I'm pretty sure someone released an album by that title and I just
> > can't remember who. And it's eating me up like a pesky little gnat.
> >
> > Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about? Or am I on the pipe, so to
> > speak? Private reponses preferable for the sanity of all concerned, I'm
> > sure.
> >
> > (If it's not an album title, it should be...)
> >
> > Steve Smith
> > ssmith36@sprynet.com
> > NP - New Klezmer Trio, "Obsessive," 'Short for Something' (Tzadik)
> >
> >
> > -
>
> --
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>
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:04:00 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: "That Which Is Not" brain glitch
AHHH! Yes! We have a winner! That's exactly the one I was trying to
remember. Thanks.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
NP: Goldberg/Schott/Dunn: "Pitchblend," 'Almost Never' (nuscope)
Nathan Earixson wrote:
> Public Image Ltd.
>
> -nme!
>
> --- Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com> wrote:
> > Hail Z-list:
> >
> > So I'm finally reading 'Moby Dick' for the first time (!) and I came
> > across the phrase "that which is not." And it fired my synapses... as
> > in, I'm pretty sure someone released an album by that title and I just
> > can't remember who. And it's eating me up like a pesky little gnat.
- -
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:24:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sigmund Nonanima <absurdbastard@yahoo.com>
Subject: all of these things
Matthew Moffett <fkmoffet@erols.com> wrote:
>the obvious WS Burroughs [influence] on Zorn
okay, I have to admit, I've never read any Burroughs,
although hearing of his various literary exploits
makes me curious--so, you have to explain the obvious
part to me...
>Interesting that a similar discussion is going on at
>the Surrealist newsgroup right now....
Surrealist newsgroup?! Where?
"sergio luque" <sergio@tomate.com.mx> wrote (that I
wrote, etc.):
>escribio con gran aplomo:
what does aplomo mean? (My Spanish is also a little
English.)
>i wonder if there is a connection between this piece
>[cycles du nord] and miller's book [air-conditioned
>nightmare]. anyone? what is the connection between
>varese and zorn's piece? , an abstraction of varese's
>sound masses?
either that, or--more likely???--I believe that Varese
was one of the first composers to embrace the use of
electronics and other unconventional sources for
musical sound (all this is from memory, because all of
my books and CDs are in a tiny little cobwebbed
storage room in south Vallejo...:()
Jim Flannery <newgrange@sfo.com> wrote:
>But the comic was based (originally at least) on the
>pulp ...
okay, I didn't know that either...
>There's an excellent Fantomas site at
>http://www.fantomas-lives.com/
this IS a great site (although I didn't read the part
about the comic until today...)
stamil@t-online.de (Chris Genzel) has as a signature:
>"When I came home I expected a surprise
>and there was no surprise for me,
>so, of course, I was surprised." -- Ludwig
>Wittgenstein
Where did you get this great quote?! A friend of mine
is considering doing his thesis on the connection
between Wittgenstein and Nietzsche, something about
language and morality...?!?! I can't pretend to
understand _Wittgenstein_ that much, but if you have
any suggestions for sources of Wittgensteinian info,
my friend could pass on his gratitude through me to
you, or something...
Da S to da A to da L to da I to da E to da R to da
I...
"My heaven have mercy on the European intellect if one
wanted to subtract the Jewish intellect from it."
- --Friedrich Nietzsche
(take that you neo-Nazi Nietzsche-misappropriators!)
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