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Zorn List Digest     Wednesday, September 20 2000     Volume 03 : Number 060



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       RE: Zorn List Digest V3 #59
       Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)
       Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)
       Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)
       Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)
       Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)
       Albert Ayler
       Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)
       Re: Albert Ayler
       Re: Wadada Leo Smith and Bennie Maupin solo
       Dave Douglas review (NZC)
       Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)
       =?iso-8859-1?Q?paul_sch=FCtze:_surrealist=3F?=
       Re: Maupin

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:27:56 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Pequet)
Subject: RE: Zorn List Digest V3 #59

>And here are my 2 cents:
>I really appreciate any comments and ideas but please don't tell me
>that it is so big and hard thing to do that I should not even start it
>and all things I'm doing are wrong. I know that it is not easy, I know
>that it will not become the most important place in the world, but it
>is an attempt to build something which might be helpful to people.
>There are not so many web sites about this kind of music so to have
>just one more cannot be bad.

Peter,

If it was what I wanted to say, I would have said it in approximately 7
lines of text. Sorry you took it that way.
Good luck with your future projects.
Benjamin



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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:47:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sigmund Nonanima <[e-mail]>
Subject: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)

Since Patton has come up in...uh, conversation lately,
I've got a question for fans of Surrealism and Dada:

How into these and other experimental art movements is
Patton? Because his Tzadik album based on the Futurist
Cookbook is a pretty good indication that he's versed
in modernism,

and his work with Merzbow (there's another modernist
connection--Schwitters, Merz/bau, etc.), MALDOROR,
gets its name from the in/famous Lautremont (sp?)
text, which was a huge influence on surrealist
writers,

and--closer to home--Zorn has done tributes to
hypermodern artists like Duchamp etc.,

so maybe I'm just typing hot air here, but there seems
to be a strain of early 20th century artistic
influences running throughout much of the experimental
music discussed here...I wonder if there's a book or
something? (phft)

Incidentally, I know you're all thinking that I forget
to mention Patton's Fantomas as getting their name
from the French pulp series (popular with the
surrealists), but it comes from the Mexican? comic,
not the French books/movies, as some people seem to
think...
(does anyone know where to find English translations
of the Fantomas books? Cuz my French is
pretty...English.)

Oh yeah, and the Mr. Bungle song Air Conditioned
Nightmare, is also the title of a Henry Miller
book--in which the dirty old man writes
about...VARESE! (who has been of interest on the list
lately) oh, the wonderful connections that spring up
from the recently manured fertile soil of mixed
metaphors!
(Is there a Miller-Bungle connection, too?)

The S to the I to the S to the Y to the P to the H to
the U to the S...

np: The Anals (sic) of Genius (sic) vol. 1

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:04:27 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)

In a message dated 9/19/00 7:49:05 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< so maybe I'm just typing hot air here, but there seems
to be a strain of early 20th century artistic
influences running throughout much of the experimental
music discussed here...I wonder if there's a book or
something? (phft) >>

I don't think this is really what you mean, but I will take this chance to
highly recommend a book by Calvin Tomkins called The Bride and The Bachelors,
which should be available in Penguin paperback. Tomkins wrote for the New
Yorker in the sixties, and this is a compilation of five long profiles (50 or
60 pages each) of Marcel Duchamp, John Cage, Jean Tinguely, Robert
Rauschenberg, and Merce Cunningham.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:49:15 -0400
From: Matthew Moffett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)

I'd say you're on the mark with a lot of your comments.  If nothing
else, I think that so much of the "experimental" music these days is
driven but what was laid down by the early modernists, be they Satie,
the Dadaist performances, whatever.  They started to experiment with
form, tools and techniques that artists are really still exploring today
(esp when you factor in the birth of electronic tools).
Wasn't aware of the Miller connection, but the only thing I've read by
him is a collection of essays.
Patton's mentioned Celine and the Surrealists in interviews, Trevor Dunn
from Bungle also has literary influences, but I don't know about the
others (aside from the obvious WS Burroughs on Zorn).  I seem to
remember Spruance going so far to say he can never sit down long enough
to read, but my memory may be off....

Interesting that a similar discussion is going on at the Surrealist
newsgroup right now....


Matt

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:54:04 -0400
From: Matthew Moffett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)

[e-mail] wrote:
>
>
> I don't think this is really what you mean, but I will take this chance to
> highly recommend a book by Calvin Tomkins called The Bride and The Bachelors,
> which should be available in Penguin paperback. Tomkins wrote for the New
> Yorker in the sixties, and this is a compilation of five long profiles (50 or
> 60 pages each) of Marcel Duchamp, John Cage, Jean Tinguely, Robert
> Rauschenberg, and Merce Cunningham.
>
> Jon
> www.erstwhilerecords.com
>
> -
Wow! I forgot about that little book!  It is _really good_; I found it
used a few years ago, don't know if it's still in print.  Tomkins is an
excellent art critic in that he really seems to understand the avant
garde of the 50's and 60's and can communicate those ideas very well.
His somewhat recent biography on Duchamp is really quite good, and
probably the least slanted that I've ever read.

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:21:25 +0000
From: Rick Lopez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)

on 9/20/00 1:54 AM, Matthew Moffett at [e-mail] wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> a book by Calvin Tomkins called The Bride and The Bachelors,
>> Marcel Duchamp, John Cage, Jean Tinguely, Robert
>> Rauschenberg, and Merce Cunningham.

> don't know if it's still in print.

Yes it is. I've probably given a dozen copies of this as gifts over the past
few decades.

*Very* nice to see it mentioned.

I even still have a loaner copy...

You guys really send me,
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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:58:57 +1000
From: "jarrah jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Albert Ayler

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Anyway, I will go now.

Thanks,

Jones.

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:47:44 -0500
From: "sergio luque" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)

hello!
[e-mail] escribio con gran aplomo:

> Patton's Fantomas as getting their name
> from the French pulp series (popular with the
> surrealists), but it comes from the Mexican? comic,
> not the French books/movies, as some people seem to
> think...
FWIW,  yes, _fantomas_ is a mexican comic.  and around the
seventies, julio cortazar wrote a book based on this comic
_fantomas contra los vampiros multinacionales_ (fantomas
against the multinational vampires), this book was
illustrated with some images from the comic.

if you want to see some pictures of _fantomas_ or read
cortazar's book (in spanish):
http://literatura.org/Cortazar/Fantomas/f3.html


> Oh yeah, and the Mr. Bungle song Air Conditioned
> Nightmare, is also the title of a Henry Miller
> book--in which the dirty old man writes
> about...VARESE!

zorn's _cycles du nord_  for three wind machines and two
acoustic feedback system was also dedicated to varese, and
could be described as an _air conditioned nightmare_ ;-)
 i wonder if there is a connection between this piece and
miller's book. anyone?
or, by the way, what is the connection between varese and
zorn's piece?, an abstraction of varese's sound masses?

adios.

sergio luque
[e-mail]




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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:09:14 -0400
From: "George Scala" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Albert Ayler

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George Scala



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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:40:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Wadada Leo Smith and Bennie Maupin solo

[e-mail] writes:
> I suppose he has 'fame' as a bass clarinetist with Miles but I prefer
>  his tenor sax playing.  There are precious few Maupin recordings that
>  fit my tastes (his works as a leader in the mid 70s aren't my cup of
>  tea).

Yeah, I really like his tenor playing as well.  I saw him play a show in
February with his septet (2 bassists, 2 percussionists, a drummer, and a
pianist).  They had a great Afro-beat going on and Maupin was hot (although
it took him a few to warm up)--he played flute, soprano, and tenor.  I meant
to ask him this past weekend if that band is still together and playing
around since I haven't heard a thing about them since.  Anyway, I'm not
familiar with any of his own recordings, which are few, nor with the Lee
Morgan albums, but I certainly dig his playing with Miles and everything I've
heard from him live.  I hope he's been recording recently.

jeff caltabiano

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:55:47 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Dave Douglas review (NZC)

A review of the Dave Douglas Quartet from the L.A. Times.  Apparently Don
Heckman doesn't know who Bill Frisell is, since Douglas told a story about
the inspiration of the song "Frisell's Dream."  Thankfully, Heckman did
recognize that this was an amazing week of jazz in L.A.  I'd add to his list
Jackie McLean on Thursday night and the Smith/Maupin show on Saturday.

Douglas Quartet: Smooth, Artistic Integrations
By DON HECKMAN, Special to The Times

     Trumpeter-composer Dave Douglas' performance at the Knitting Factory on
Friday night capped what can best be described as a stellar week for jazz in
Los Angeles. With the Sun Ra Solar Arkestra at the same venue on Tuesday and
tenor saxophonist David Murray in residence at the Jazz Bakery for the week,
there was ample opportunity to check out the edgier areas of the jazz arena.
And the presence of Roy Hargrove, Nicholas Payton and Jon Faddis at the
Hollywood Bowl on Wednesday night brought three of the world's finest
mainstream jazz trumpeters to the same stage.
     The music of the Douglas quartet (Chris Potter, tenor saxophone, Brad
Jones, bass, Ben Perowsky, drums) embraced a spectrum that reached across
most of those areas. And it is to Douglas' credit as a composer and leader
that he managed to incorporate such a range of styles in a set of music that
avoided pastiche and came across instead as a smoothly integrated, highly
personal artistic expression.
     Douglas' presentation of pieces such as "The Frizell Dream," "Leap of
Faith," "Padded Cell" and "Circular" ranged far beyond the typical jazz
theme/solo variations/theme structure. Solos were interlaced with composed
segments, spontaneous improvisations suddenly surfaced through the mix, and
the rhythmic flow--superbly driven by Jones and Perowsky--shifted in and out
of different meters with ease and subtlety.
     Douglas' trumpet work was the product of a compositional mind, his
phrases--even in the most spontaneous passages--delivered via an
improvisational flow that found connections and linkages, an approach far
more engaging than a string of riffs, licks and virtuosic displays. At times,
in fact, his playing was powerfully reminiscent of the soloing of Don Ellis,
who, in the '60s and '70s, explored creative territory that Douglas is
currently revisiting.
     But the most surprising aspect of the set was the soloing of Potter, a
solid mainstream player who moved with ease into the Douglas musical orbit,
offering one extraordinary solo after another, a perfect front-line companion
in one of the more compelling new jazz groups.

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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:53:42 -0700
From: Jim Flannery <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Modernism, Dada, Surrealism (PostModernIsm?)

Sigmund Nonanima wrote:
>
> Incidentally, I know you're all thinking that I forget
> to mention Patton's Fantomas as getting their name
> from the French pulp series (popular with the
> surrealists), but it comes from the Mexican? comic,
> not the French books/movies, as some people seem to
> think...

But the comic was based (originally at least) on the pulp ...

There's an excellent Fantomas site at

http://www.fantomas-lives.com/

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Jim Flannery                                        [e-mail]

         "My hair has grown thin thinking of music."
                                             -- I Wayan Lotring

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:18:25 -0400
From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <[e-mail]>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?paul_sch=FCtze:_surrealist=3F?=

Coincidentally with all this discussion of the surrealists, I was listening
to an early Paul Sch=FCtze album yesterday, The Annihilating Angel, and
noticed that a lot of the tracks are titled based on surrealist and related
topics.  There were a couple of blanks for me, so perhaps some of you could
fill in the blanks.  Any of the titles that don't have authors mean
anything to anyone?

CITIES OF THE PLAIN (Proust)
LOSS & THE HAND LENSE
THE FALLS
THE TORTURE GARDEN (Mirbeau)
THE FATAL MUSE
REIGN OF ASHES
DEAD ROADS (Burroughs)
THE PRESSURE OF THE TEXT (Barthes)
TRANCE MILITANT
THE TEARS OF EROS (Bataille)
CITIES OF THE RED NIGHT (Burroughs)


- --
Caleb Deupree
[e-mail]

Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance
like nobody's watching.

- -- Satchel Paige

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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:42:52 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Chris Genzel)
Subject: Re: Maupin

> ps.  Has Maupin's Jewel in the Lotus ever been released on CD?
> I heard rumors that it was to be paired with a similar Julian
> Priester album on ECM, but haven't seen it.

 ECM has been promising to release these two fine albums since 1995
 (at least), but there don't seem to be any definite plans to
 actually do so ... so all you can do is wait (or search the
 original vinyl releases).  The album you mention is Julian
 Priester's LOVE, LOVE, an incredible album in the Mwandishi
 vein, feat. Hadley Caliman, Patrick Gleeson, and others, which
 I've been lucky enough to find in a store in Duluth, MN, after
 searching it for 4 years.

 Kind regards,
 - Chris.
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