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From: owner-zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (Zorn List Digest)
To: zorn-list-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V3 #34
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Zorn List Digest Tuesday, August 29 2000 Volume 03 : Number 034
In this issue:
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Re: metal
Re: "Downtown" David Sanborn / Night Music
great night music memories
Re: ICP, Shepik
RE: metal: black etc
Re: Karuna Khyal (was: persepolis/dubravko detoni)
Re: ICP, Shepik
FS: Miles Davis + others (non-Zorn)
Re: Metal...Yngwie Malmsteen...Neo Classical
Secret Chiefs 3 [no Zorn content]
Re: great night music memories
RE: metal: black etc
RE: metal: black etc
RE: metal: black etc
Re: metal: black etc
Re: metal: black etc
Re: metal: black etc
Sorry
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:51:29 EDT
From: SOUPBEARD@aol.com
Subject: Re: metal
the only metal that i can bare to listen to anymore is megadeth. however, i
only really like the music from the late 80's and early 90's (rust in peace,
countdown to extinction, and youthanasia). the rhythm is phenominal on all
the albums with rust in peace being the epitome of thrash metal. dave
mustaine developed such an incredible guitar playing style which peaked on
youthanasia...makes me wonder what happened. so any fan of "rock music"
that likes unique rhythm should definitely check out those
albums....youthanasia being the best of the 3.
dave
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:06:35 EDT
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: Re: "Downtown" David Sanborn / Night Music
In a message dated 8/28/00 8:37:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ssmith36@sprynet.com writes:
<< Best Night Music memory of all, however, would have to be Todd Rundgren,
Ellen
Foley and Taj Mahal performing a scene from 'HMS Pinafore,' with Sanborn, Pat
Metheny, Christian Marclay (!!!) and the Night Music band all dressed as
sailors behind them...
>>
holy shit.....
- -matt mitchell
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:58:25 -0400
From: Brad Syna <dncac@mindspring.com>
Subject: great night music memories
As I recall as Night music moved into it's 2nd season and they
got rid of Jools Holland and made Sanborn the only host, they
would have all the guests play separately and then start
combining them into interesting combos at the end of the show.
I remember a great one with Indigo Girls and Sonic Youth, SY
did a rocking Iggy Pop's Now I Want to Be Your Dog with Sanborn
wailing on sax.
My two favorites had to be Conway Twitty with backing vocalists
The Residents and Bongwater joined by Bob Weir ( boy did he look
like he was enjoying the match ) and Rob Wasserman along with
( I can't recall his name now ( the voodoo bluesman that use
to have the snake around his neck and light all the flashpaper )
performing a Roky Ericson tune.
It's still my favorite music show to date, it was booked by Hal
( forgetting last name ( my memory is fading!!! )) and produced by
Lorne Michaels. If they ever show them again catch them they are
a treat!!!
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:55:40 EDT
From: Fastian@aol.com
Subject: Re: ICP, Shepik
In a message dated 8/28/00 3:57:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Martin_Wisckol@link.freedom.com writes:
<< np. misha mengelberg "solo" (warming up for ICP's first ever visit to
Southern California, and my first chance to see any of these guys in
person)
>>
Where are they playing down there? KF? I'm going to see them in
Oakland(Mills) in a couple of weeks. Misha and Han played here last year and
Clusone many years ago. Its a miracle that they're coming here at all. This
will be the 1st time for many of the musicians. Usually you can't even get a
trio to come into town. Lately there's been Willem Breuker Kollektief,
Peter Brotzmann's 12tet, Pierre Dorge's New Jungle Orchestra,and lastly ICP.
Keep 'em coming.
Regarding a previous Shepik thread, don't forget the band Babkas, who I
suppose is now defunct. They put out 3 phenominal cds on Songlines, with
Briggan Krauss-sax and Aaron Alexander-drums. One minute it'll be quiet and
nimble, the next blistering and searing. I'm still waiting for Briggan to
sound this good again. This is Shepik at his most aggressive and inventive
with no ethnic influences this time. I would rate the first,s/t, as the best
but they're all really good.
John Threadgould
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:03:42 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <nilugo@usa.net>
Subject: RE: metal: black etc
Also,
when I listened to a lot of metal (a couple of years ago) I remember having
ATHEIST's CDs, especially "Unquestionable Presence" and "Elements", which
people used to compare with CYNIC, because I think that bassist Tony Choy
(?) used to play in CYNIC too (I could be wrong). Also PESTILENCE's last
album "Sphere" was pretty technical and progressive.
Neil H. Enet
- ------------
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Leon Spaans
Sent: Lunes, 28 de Agosto de 2000 06:46 p.m.
To: Benito Vergara
Cc: Zorn List
Subject: RE: metal: black etc
Yep, you DEFINITELY should check out Focus (by Cynic) ! These guys really
knew/know how to play their instruments. I've seen them perform a couple
of times in Holland and their shows really really impressed me.
They were one of the bands that have gotten me into jazz and experimental
music. Their music, however, has definitely got some jazz influences but
still has a firm Metal-foundation and will therefore not be appreciated
by most jazz fans, I suppose ;-) But, check it out .... if you are able
to get yourself copy !
Bye,
Leon
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Benito Vergara wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com
> > [mailto:owner-zorn-list@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dgasque@aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 11:41 PM
>
> > I guess I should mention Cynic's one-shot too,
> > but that CD is
> > long out of print and becoming hard as hell to find.
>
> That one shows up on Ebay a lot, but be prepared to pay more than $20 or
so.
>
> Man, now I have a long list of stuff to check out...
>
> More of my metal finds have been more in the grindcore / technical metal
> realm. I find that the big (real) black metal bands are a little too
> operatic for my taste. Plus the stuff about Vikings and wolves and winds
> howling over the fjords is a little too much. And then there's the
not-small
> matter of the, er, political persuasion of some of these folks.
>
> Later,
> Ben
>
> np: scott walker, "it's raining today"
>
> http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
> ICQ# 12832406
>
>
> -
>
>
- -
- -
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:17:16 -0500
From: "gabe wingfield" <gwingfield@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: Karuna Khyal (was: persepolis/dubravko detoni)
> another gem unearthed by Clive Graham and Paradigm, following up the Brast
> Burn, Karuna Khyal, and Anal Magic troika of last year.
anyone have any info about this band aside from the forced exposure blurb
and the review on motion 51? it would be greatly appreciated.
gabe
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:13:58 -0700
From: "s~Z" <keith@pfmentum.com>
Subject: Re: ICP, Shepik
>>>Where are they playing down there? KF?<<<
Yes, KF. And Han is playing solo at City Hall in Ventura as part of our
ongoing pfMENTUM new music series. As we say in Southern
California.......what a bitchin' coup, dudes.
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:47:29 -0400
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: FS: Miles Davis + others (non-Zorn)
I have the following items for sale that
some on this list may be interested in.
All prices _US $_. POSTAGE PAID within North America.
Shipping on orders outside NA can be arranged.
If you don't like a price, make me an OFFER.
$20 -- Christoph Heemann - "Invisible Barrier" US CD (Extreme: xcd019) =
1993
[Excellent Heemann release on Extreme. His first major solo out=
ing
(after the Robot 10") recorded in 1992. Long out of print.]
$15 -- Cop Shoot Cop - "Consumer Revolt" UK CD (Big Cat) 1992
$15 -- Miles Davis - "On The Corner" JAP CD (Sony Japan: srcs9125) 1998
[Japanese 1998 "Master Sound" series reissue (SBM) of 1972 class=
ic
in gatefold mini-LP sleeve w/ insert. Mint.]
$20 -- Paul Sch=FCtze - "New Maps Of Hell" US CD (Extreme: xcd015) 1992
[First pressing on Extreme w/ original artwork. Feat. "A Soul
Reports" not on the 1996 UK reissue. Long out of print.]
$20 -- Sigillum S - "Helix Parasites" ITA CD (Minus Habens: mhcd013) 19=
93
[Eraldo Bernocchi, Paolo Bandera & Luca Di Giorgio.]
more at:
[ http://www.astro.utoronto.ca/~carey/sofa/muse.html ]
Thanks for looking.
- -Patrick
pm.carey@utoronto.ca
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:20:20 +0950
From: "Case" <sinkas@camtech.net.au>
Subject: Re: Metal...Yngwie Malmsteen...Neo Classical
Hi all,
On the matter of metal, has anyone here got any thisng to say about Yngwie
Malmsteen? I really like his earlier works with the very guitar orientated pieces.
Has anyone heard the fairly recent classical sympony for elctric guitar that
he released?
Case
NP Morrissey:Bona Drag
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:40:21 +0100
From: Marcin.Witkowski@ccmail.eu.sony.co.jp (Marcin Witkowski)
Subject: Secret Chiefs 3 [no Zorn content]
Dear all
Mimicry rereleased First and Second Grand... by Secret Chiefs 3. They
are remastered and bonus tracks are added. I've already got them from
Amarillo. Does somebody know if they are worth buying again? How
many/long are bonus tracks? Can I really hear "remastering"?
Awaiting for your comments
Marcin Witkowski
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:55:32 +0200 (MET DST)
From: stephen.fruitman@idehist.umu.se (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: Re: great night music memories
>they
>would have all the guests play separately and then start
>combining them into interesting combos at the end of the show.
Another time: Leonard Cohen backed up by his own trio of girl singers plus
the vocalists from Was/Not Was with Sonny Rollins on sax. Dreamy. All the
best, Stephen
Stephen Fruitman
Dept of Historical Studies
Ume=E5 University
SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden
=46ax +46 90 14 33 74
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:46:01 GMT+0100
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <Usva-Th2@bu2.bureau.rug.nl>
Subject: RE: metal: black etc
Hi there,
> Also,
>
> when I listened to a lot of metal (a couple of years ago) I remember
> having
> ATHEIST's CDs, especially "Unquestionable Presence" and "Elements",
> which people used to compare with CYNIC, because I think that bassist
> Tony Choy (?) used to play in CYNIC too (I could be wrong).
Yeah, Atheist's 'Unquestionable Presence' is one of the most
interesting 'intelligent metal (?)' albums i've ever heard. I don't
like 'Elements' much though. Maybe this is due to the fact they lost
their incredible drummer. He can be heard on their debut album
though, titled 'Pieces'. This one's more in the vein of
'Unquestionable Presence': a superb mix of deathmetal and jazz. When
tey tied to include tribal rhythms as well on 'Elements' it all
became too sterile.
Also
> PESTILENCE's last album "Sphere" was pretty technical and progressive.
Yes it was, but I think they were only trying to sound like Cynic,
but weren't capable of really playing it.
>
> Neil H. Enet
> ------------
> Yep, you DEFINITELY should check out Focus (by Cynic) ! These guys
> really knew/know how to play their instruments. I've seen them perform
> a couple of times in Holland and their shows really really impressed
> me.
Do I know you? I also a couple of their shows in Holland a few years
ago (Enschede and DOA). Cynic has to be heard by anyone who is
interested in experimental metal. These guys are unbelievable: coming
from a jazz background (Berklee et al.) but with a definite love for
extreme metal they are, up to now, the only band that could mix jazz
and metal in a way you should think it only could be this way.
Drummer Sean Reinert (I raved about him before on this list) plays
jazz with his hands, while playing incredible doublebass patterns
with his feet. Anyone who has heard Death's 'Human' knows what this
is like.
Guitar players Hason Gobel and Paul Masdival (also on 'Human') have a
definite interest in the playing of Allan Holdswort, but anyone
familiar with Meshuggah knows this can be a perfect couple with
metal. Bass and stick player Sean Malone adds a Pastorius like
flaovour to the music, but is also a very fine composer in his own
right. Check out his 'Gordian Knot' albums, which also feature
Reinert.
They broke up a couple of years ago, but seem to back now with a band
called 'Aghora'. I ordered their cd a week ago, so it should arrive
fairly soon. According to the reviews I read this is the music of
Cynic with more jazz and a female singer instead of a male grunter.
They were one of the bands that have gotten me into jazz and
> experimental music. Their music, however, has definitely got some jazz
> influences but still has a firm Metal-foundation and will therefore
> not be appreciated by most jazz fans, I suppose ;-) But, check it out
> .... if you are able to get yourself copy !
Some other bands that can be of interest of intelligent metal lovers
are Confessor, Watchtower, Sieges Even, and of course Dillinger
Escape Plan.
Jeroen
- ----------------------------------------
Jeroen de Boer
music director Open Electronic Festival/Cyberslag Foundation
Munnekeholm 10, 9711JA Groningen
The Netherlands
tel/fax: +31 (0)503634676/(0)503632209
gsm: +31 (0)624814506
usva-th2@bureau.rug.nl
http://www.cyberslag.com
- ----------------------------------------
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:20:00 +0200
From: Verstraeten Stefan <stefan.verstraeten@wkb.be>
Subject: RE: metal: black etc
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeroen de Boer [mailto:Usva-Th2@bu2.bureau.rug.nl]
Subject: RE: metal: black etc
Hi there,
Anyone who has heard Death's 'Human' knows what this
is like.
(stefan) this reminds me of something. Chuck is indeed one of THE BEST death
metal guitar players in this scene. But I read somewhere that he was trying
to recover from cancer.
Did he? Because a bootleg label recently compiled a 4cd box with all sort of
live material, called "R.I.P. Chuck".
Is this a sick joke or did Chuck really die?
Anyone knows this?
Best wishes
Stefan (thinking about the days when he kicked on Deicide & Morbid Angel....
those were the Satan days....)
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:22:39 GMT+0100
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <Usva-Th2@bu2.bureau.rug.nl>
Subject: RE: metal: black etc
> (stefan) this reminds me of something. Chuck is indeed one of THE BEST
> death metal guitar players in this scene. But I read somewhere that he
> was trying to recover from cancer.
> Is this a sick joke or did Chuck really die?
No, he actually recovered from brain cancer a few months ago and is
already working on the second 'Control Denied' album, his true metal
band. Nice to know is that a lot of his fans sent money to the Chuck
Chuldiner family to pay for the huge medical bills.
The first upcoming Death-album will be a live-cd. I hope it also
contains material of the 'Human'-era...
Jeroen
- ----------------------------------------
Jeroen de Boer
music director Open Electronic Festival/Cyberslag Foundation
Munnekeholm 10, 9711JA Groningen
The Netherlands
tel/fax: +31 (0)503634676/(0)503632209
gsm: +31 (0)624814506
usva-th2@bureau.rug.nl
http://www.cyberslag.com
- ----------------------------------------
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:18:00 EDT
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: Re: metal: black etc
In a message dated 8/29/00 12:03:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nilugo@usa.net
writes:
<< when I listened to a lot of metal (a couple of years ago) I remember having
ATHEIST's CDs, especially "Unquestionable Presence" and "Elements", which
people used to compare with CYNIC, because I think that bassist Tony Choy
(?) used to play in CYNIC too (I could be wrong). Also PESTILENCE's last
album "Sphere" was pretty technical and progressive.
>>
Yes, I used to listen to all these bands. I remember, about 7 years ago,
when I was just getting into this stuff, I had a friend who listened to
virtually ONLY metal, and had a HUGE collection, so I got to hear everything
I wanted. I don't remember Atheist and Cynic sharing a bass player, though.
I thought maybe that the Cynic bass player used to play in Death (and now
plays in Sadus?)?
- -matt mitchell
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:29:49 EDT
From: Nudeants@aol.com
Subject: Re: metal: black etc
In a message dated 8/29/00 8:19:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Nudeants@aol.com
writes:
<< I don't remember Atheist and Cynic sharing a bass player, though.
I thought maybe that the Cynic bass player used to play in Death (and now
plays in Sadus?)?
>>
Oh I just read Jeroen's post and realized that I'm talking about a different
guy. Sean Malone was the Cynic bass player (who was not in Atheist).
- -matt mitchell
- -
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:37:07 GMT+0100
From: "Jeroen de Boer" <Usva-Th2@bu2.bureau.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: metal: black etc
> I don't remember Atheist and Cynic
> sharing a bass player, though. I thought maybe that the Cynic bass
> player used to play in Death (and now plays in Sadus?)?
>
> -matt mitchell
Cynic and Atheist did share bassplayer Tony Choy, but he never
officially recorded with Cynic. He's only on a few of their demo's.
After he left Cynic he joined Atheist with whom he recorded
'Unquestionable Presence' and 'Elements'.
Steve DiGiorgio, bassplayer of Sadus, played on Death's 'Human',
together with Sean Reinert, Paul Masdival and Jason Gobel of Cynic.
He also contributed to 'Unquestionable Presence'. Furthermore he's
also playing bass in Chuck Chuldiners 'Control Denied' project.
He never played with Cynic.
Jeroen
ps.
Matt, I just read your post and Sean Malone indeed didn't play with
Atheist.
- ----------------------------------------
Jeroen de Boer
music director Open Electronic Festival/Cyberslag Foundation
Munnekeholm 10, 9711JA Groningen
The Netherlands
tel/fax: +31 (0)503634676/(0)503632209
gsm: +31 (0)624814506
usva-th2@bureau.rug.nl
http://www.cyberslag.com
- ----------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:45:57 -0300
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