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Zorn List Digest       Tuesday, August 29 2000       Volume 03 : Number 035



In this issue:
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       RE: metal:  black etc
       Re: ICP, Shepik
       Re: metal:  black etc
       Re: great night music memories / Willner
       RE: metal:  black etc
       Re: great night music memories
       Re: "Downtown" David Sanborn / Night Music
       RE: metal:  black etc
       Re: metal
       Odp: Metal...Yngwie Malmsteen...Neo Classical
       Re: Metal...Yngwie Malmsteen...Neo Classical
       RE: metal:  black etc

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:44:56 +0200 (CEST)
From: Leon Spaans <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: metal:  black etc

Atheist was pretty amazing as well. I unfortunately never got the chance
to see them live :-(
Tony Choy played on the Pestilence album before Spheres ...
called Testimony of the Ancients. I'm not sure whether Tony played in
Cynic, however they thank him in the CD-booklet ...

Bye, Leon

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Neil H. Enet wrote:

> Also,
>
>     when I listened to a lot of metal (a couple of years ago) I remember having
> ATHEIST's CDs, especially "Unquestionable Presence" and "Elements", which
> people used to compare with CYNIC, because I think that bassist Tony Choy
> (?) used to play in CYNIC too (I could be wrong).  Also PESTILENCE's last
> album "Sphere" was pretty technical and progressive.
>
> Neil H. Enet
> ------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Leon Spaans
> Sent: Lunes, 28 de Agosto de 2000 06:46 p.m.
> To: Benito Vergara
> Cc: Zorn List
> Subject: RE: metal: black etc
>
>
> Yep, you DEFINITELY should check out Focus (by Cynic) ! These guys really
> knew/know how to play their instruments. I've seen them perform a couple
> of times in Holland and their shows really really impressed me.
> They were one of the bands that have gotten me into jazz and experimental
> music. Their music, however, has definitely got some jazz influences but
> still has a firm Metal-foundation and will therefore not be appreciated
> by most jazz fans, I suppose ;-) But, check it out .... if you are able
> to get yourself copy !
>
> Bye,
>
> Leon
>
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Benito Vergara wrote:
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [e-mail]
> > > [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of [e-mail]
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 11:41 PM
> >
> > > I guess I should mention Cynic's one-shot too,
> > > but that CD is
> > > long out of print and becoming hard as hell to find.
> >
> > That one shows up on Ebay a lot, but be prepared to pay more than $20 or
> so.
> >
> > Man, now I have a long list of stuff to check out...
> >
> > More of my metal finds have been more in the grindcore / technical metal
> > realm. I find that the big (real) black metal bands are a little too
> > operatic for my taste. Plus the stuff about Vikings and wolves and winds
> > howling over the fjords is a little too much. And then there's the
> not-small
> > matter of the, er, political persuasion of some of these folks.
> >
> > Later,
> > Ben
> >
> > np: scott walker, "it's raining today"
> >
> > http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
> > ICQ# 12832406
> >
> >
> > -
> >
> >
>
>
> -
>
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:59:27 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ICP, Shepik

[e-mail] wrote:

> Usually you can't even get a
> trio to come into town.  Lately there's been  Willem Breuker Kollektief,
> Peter Brotzmann's 12tet,  Pierre Dorge's New Jungle Orchestra,and lastly ICP.

I think this is mostly due to a spate of enlightened underwriting.  I know that
the Dorge visit is sponsored in part by the Danish government, and I think the
Dutch goverment gets involved to a degree with the likes of Breuker and
Mengelberg.  The Brotzmann 12tet tour was underwritten by Vandermark's MacArthur
"genius grant," in order to prepare for the recording they did during and after
the tour.

Steve Smith
[e-mail]



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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:21:05 +0200 (CEST)
From: Leon Spaans <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: metal:  black etc

Ehm, not totally true, I think. Steve DiGiorgo played with Death on
the 'Human' and 'Individual Thought Patterns' albums, but Death was always
something of a 'project-band', because the only person who played on all
their records is Chuck himself. Steve's own band was Sadus. But I'm not
sure whether Steve ever played in Cynic ...

Bye, Leon

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/29/00 12:03:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
> writes:
>
> << when I listened to a lot of metal (a couple of years ago) I remember having
>  ATHEIST's CDs, especially "Unquestionable Presence" and "Elements", which
>  people used to compare with CYNIC, because I think that bassist Tony Choy
>  (?) used to play in CYNIC too (I could be wrong).  Also PESTILENCE's last
>  album "Sphere" was pretty technical and progressive.
>   >>
>
> Yes, I used to listen to all these bands.  I remember, about 7 years ago,
> when I was just getting into this stuff, I had a friend who listened to
> virtually ONLY metal, and had a HUGE collection, so I got to hear everything
> I wanted.  I don't remember Atheist and Cynic sharing a bass player, though.
> I thought maybe that the Cynic bass player used to play in Death (and now
> plays in Sadus?)?
>
> -matt mitchell
>
> -
>
>


- -

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:42:31 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: great night music memories / Willner

Brad Syna wrote:

> I remember a great one with Indigo Girls and Sonic Youth, SY
> did a rocking Iggy Pop's Now I Want to Be Your Dog with Sanborn
> wailing on sax.

Yeah, and Sanborn introduced it as a medley of two great American folk
tunes - just before SY took the stage, a little trad folk combo with the
Indigo Girls played "Red River Valley."

> My two favorites had to be Conway Twitty with backing vocalists
> The Residents

God, yes, forgot about that...

> and Bongwater joined by Bob Weir ( boy did he look
> like he was enjoying the match ) and Rob Wasserman along with
> ( I can't recall his name now ( the voodoo bluesman that use
> to have the snake around his neck and light all the flashpaper )
> performing a Roky Ericson tune.

Screamin' Jay Hawkins.  Here's another... Carla Bley, Steve Swallow and
Karen Mantler backing Bootsy Collins...  and although much more
mainstream, Sting backed by Frisell and Fareed Haque on "Ain't No
Sunshine" was awfully pretty.

Oh, and I forgot a detail on the John Cale performance I mentioned
yesterday.  Cajun accordion player Jo-El Sonnier was also a part of that
performance.  Likewise, on the Tim Berne performance (same episode),
Hank Roberts was not involved and the guitar player was not Marc Ribot
but Allan Jaffe.  (Yes, I pulled out a tape.)  I must have been
remembering Hank from a Frisell quartet performance on the
abovementioned episode with Sting...

Lest anyone think that the show was all avant-gardists, it bears mention
that there were generally headliners who, while not strictly mainstream,
carried more marquee value to lure in the unsuspecting - Sting is a good
example, but I remember Al Green, Aaron Neville, Lou Reed, Philip Bailey
and plenty of others.  There were also numerous world music artists back
before that was hip, including Papa Wemba, Anabouboula and Ivo Papasov.
But what really pushed the envelope was the all-inclusive performances
at the end.

> It's still my favorite music show to date, it was booked by Hal
> ( forgetting last name ( my memory is fading!!! ))

Willner... same guy who did all those great tribute albums that exposed
a generation to Zorn, Sharp et al - 'Amercord Nino Rota' (Rota,
obviously, on Hannibal), 'That's the Way I Feel Now' (Monk, A&M), 'Lost
in the Stars' (Weill, A&M - he did another Weill tribute on Columbia
later but this one's better), 'Stay Awake' (Walt Disney music, A&M -
featuring great interludes by Frisell, Horvitz & Ken Nordine) and 'Weird
Nightmare' (Mingus, Columbia).  Willner used to be music director for
Saturday Night Live, thus the connection to Lorne Michaels.

Willner's most recent recording project, if I remember correctly, was a
2CD set of Edgar Allan Poe poems and short stories, 'Closed on Account
of Rabies,' on the Mouth Almighty label, 1997.  It featured readings by
Marianne Faithfull, Christopher Walken, Iggy Pop, Jeff Buckley, Diamanda
Galas and others, with some tracks featuring sampling and sound effects
supplied by Willner, others featuring music by Wayne Kramer, Steven
Bernstein, Chris Spedding, Marc Ribot & Dr. John, and the Jazz
Passengers with Debbie Harry.

And within the last two years here in New York, Willner mounted a couple
of live concerts in tribute to the Harry Smith Anthology of American
Folk Music...

> If they ever show them again catch them they are
> a treat!!!

Agreed.  The show was never seen in any quasi-primetime slot in Houston,
but they used to show them every night at 3 a.m. for a while there - I
taped them on autopilot a week at a time and settled in for a while on
the weekends...  but those tapes are in pretty tragic condition now, so
I'd love to see some sort of video series issued on DVD preferably.  One
can dream...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]


- -

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:50:05 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: metal:  black etc

    Yes, that's right, I don't think Steve DiGiorgio ever played with Cynic.
He was an excellent bassist, I remember him in the Vision of Misery album
(SADUS) playing a fretless bass, he was extremeley fast.

    I never heard ATHEIST's first album (I think it was called Piece of Time,
or something like that)  but I remember people talking about original
bassist Roger Paterson (?), that died before recording the second album
(Unquestionable Presence) and so they brought in Tony Choy.

    Oh, and talking about DEATH, I remember his guitarist for the SPIRITUAL
HEALING album, James Murphy, who everybody said he was a great guitarist.
He later made one band called DISINCARNATE, but I never listened to it.
Anyone know any informaton on this?

Neil H. Enet
- ------------

PS:  Oh, in my metal days I used to listen to a lot of PUNGENT STENCH ...
they're not technical or progressive or anything, but they were a very fun
band.  Anyone know what happened to them?

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Leon Spaans
Sent: Martes, 29 de Agosto de 2000 09:21 a.m.
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: metal: black etc


Ehm, not totally true, I think. Steve DiGiorgo played with Death on
the 'Human' and 'Individual Thought Patterns' albums, but Death was always
something of a 'project-band', because the only person who played on all
their records is Chuck himself. Steve's own band was Sadus. But I'm not
sure whether Steve ever played in Cynic ...

Bye, Leon

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/29/00 12:03:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail]
> writes:
>
> << when I listened to a lot of metal (a couple of years ago) I remember
having
>  ATHEIST's CDs, especially "Unquestionable Presence" and "Elements", which
>  people used to compare with CYNIC, because I think that bassist Tony Choy
>  (?) used to play in CYNIC too (I could be wrong).  Also PESTILENCE's last
>  album "Sphere" was pretty technical and progressive.
>   >>
>
> Yes, I used to listen to all these bands.  I remember, about 7 years ago,
> when I was just getting into this stuff, I had a friend who listened to
> virtually ONLY metal, and had a HUGE collection, so I got to hear
everything
> I wanted.  I don't remember Atheist and Cynic sharing a bass player,
though.
> I thought maybe that the Cynic bass player used to play in Death (and now
> plays in Sadus?)?
>
> -matt mitchell
>
> -
>
>


- -


- -

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:50:16 -0700
From: "s~Z" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: great night music memories

>>>Another time: Leonard Cohen backed up by his own trio of girl singers
plus
the vocalists from Was/Not Was with Sonny Rollins on sax. Dreamy. All the
best, Stephen<<<


Yes. Rollins' imrovisation on that song, 'Who By Fire', evoked a tune ending
bow of reverential gratitude from Cohen.

Also the only time this West Coaster has ever been able to see Herb
Robertson play.


- -

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:53:28 -0500
From: "Robert A. Pleshar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Downtown" David Sanborn / Night Music

That was really beautiful, but I think I like Conway Twitty singing "It's
Only Make Believe" with the Residents dancing behind him in eyeballs a
little more.

Ralph

At 08:25 PM 8/28/00 -0500, Steve Smith wrote:
>Best Night Music memory of all, however, would have to be Todd Rundgren,
Ellen
>Foley and Taj Mahal performing a scene from 'HMS Pinafore,' with Sanborn, Pat
>Metheny, Christian Marclay (!!!) and the Night Music band all dressed as
>sailors behind them...


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:04:31 +0200
From: Verstraeten Stefan <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: metal:  black etc

Oh, and talking about DEATH, I remember his guitarist for the SPIRITUAL
HEALING album, James Murphy, who everybody said he was a great guitarist.
He later made one band called DISINCARNATE, but I never listened to it.
Anyone know any informaton on this?

(stefan)He made two albums (at least that are the ones I owne and am aware
of) that were published in Europe on the Roadrunner label. The style on
these albums? Like some of the bands that are mentioned here: "technical
death metal". The first one (don't have the titles here with me) however is
"typical" death metal.... you know, death-grunt style of singing. The second
one is in IMHO more balenced: the voice-style is more accessible (at least
you can understand what he is singing) and the guitar-lines are more
well-thought (catchy, more melody than just riffs,...).

Both albums still end in my cd player regularly...

Best wishes,

Stefan Verstraeten

- -

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:05:42 -0400
From: "Neil H. Enet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: metal

And talking about metal.  My local used CD shop has OLD's LE FLUX TUBE with
Mr. Zorn on "turbo sax on the title song" (I think).
Anyone got any opinions on this album?

Thanks in advance

Neil H. Enet
- ------------


- -

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:55:00 +0200
From: "Marcin Gokieli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odp: Metal...Yngwie Malmsteen...Neo Classical

Case wrote:
>  On the matter of metal, has anyone here got any thisng  to say about
Yngwie
> Malmsteen? I really like his earlier works with the very guitar orientated
pieces.
> Has anyone heard the fairly recent classical sympony for elctric guitar
that
> he released?

If a was to say anything about him i'd call him "the shit creator". The
worst musician on the planet IMHO. Kind of Ritchie Blackmore's inefficient
clone. And for those who think he's exceptionally fast, I suggest them
considering Nigel Mansell.


Marcin Gokieli
[e-mail] [e-mail]
Generally speaking, if a philosopher offers to 'dissolve' the problem you
are working on, tell him to go climb a tree - Jerry Fodor


- -

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:49:43 +0930
From: "sinkas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Metal...Yngwie Malmsteen...Neo Classical

Are my ears really that misguided?
I admit his shredding is waring a bit thin, thats why I asked about the new
Symphony piece.
Maybe I just love vikings, I hope I once was a viking....

Case

> If a was to say anything about him i'd call him "the shit creator". The
> worst musician on the planet IMHO. Kind of Ritchie Blackmore's inefficient
> clone. And for those who think he's exceptionally fast, I suggest them
> considering Nigel Mansell.
>
> Marcin Gokieli



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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:59:27 +0200 (CEST)
From: Leon Spaans <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: metal:  black etc

Disincarnate (Dreams of the Carrion Kind) is a very very good album, If
you are into Death you could buy it without listening !!! And James Murphy
is an extremely talented guitar player ... but hey, that's my opinion ;-)

Wasn't this list about Zorn ?

Bye, Leon

ps. Disincarnate - Dreams of the Carrion Kind (Roadrunner: RR9102-2 1993,
Bryan Cegon - Vocals, James Murphy - Lead, Rhythm and Acoustic Guitar,
Jason Carman - Rhythm Guitar, Tommy Viator - Drums).

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Neil H. Enet wrote:

>     Yes, that's right, I don't think Steve DiGiorgio ever played with Cynic.
> He was an excellent bassist, I remember him in the Vision of Misery album
> (SADUS) playing a fretless bass, he was extremeley fast.
>
>     I never heard ATHEIST's first album (I think it was called Piece of Time,
> or something like that)  but I remember people talking about original
> bassist Roger Paterson (?), that died before recording the second album
> (Unquestionable Presence) and so they brought in Tony Choy.
>
>     Oh, and talking about DEATH, I remember his guitarist for the SPIRITUAL
> HEALING album, James Murphy, who everybody said he was a great guitarist.
> He later made one band called DISINCARNATE, but I never listened to it.
> Anyone know any informaton on this?
>
> Neil H. Enet
> ------------
>
> PS:  Oh, in my metal days I used to listen to a lot of PUNGENT STENCH ...
> they're not technical or progressive or anything, but they were a very fun
> band.  Anyone know what happened to them?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Leon Spaans
> Sent: Martes, 29 de Agosto de 2000 09:21 a.m.
> To: [e-mail]
> Cc: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: metal: black etc
>
>
> Ehm, not totally true, I think. Steve DiGiorgo played with Death on
> the 'Human' and 'Individual Thought Patterns' albums, but Death was always
> something of a 'project-band', because the only person who played on all
> their records is Chuck himself. Steve's own band was Sadus. But I'm not
> sure whether Steve ever played in Cynic ...
>
> Bye, Leon
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 8/29/00 12:03:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [e-mail]
> > writes:
> >
> > << when I listened to a lot of metal (a couple of years ago) I remember
> having
> >  ATHEIST's CDs, especially "Unquestionable Presence" and "Elements", which
> >  people used to compare with CYNIC, because I think that bassist Tony Choy
> >  (?) used to play in CYNIC too (I could be wrong).  Also PESTILENCE's last
> >  album "Sphere" was pretty technical and progressive.
> >   >>
> >
> > Yes, I used to listen to all these bands.  I remember, about 7 years ago,
> > when I was just getting into this stuff, I had a friend who listened to
> > virtually ONLY metal, and had a HUGE collection, so I got to hear
> everything
> > I wanted.  I don't remember Atheist and Cynic sharing a bass player,
> though.
> > I thought maybe that the Cynic bass player used to play in Death (and now
> > plays in Sadus?)?
> >
> > -matt mitchell
> >
> > -
> >
> >
>
>
> -
>
>
> -
>
>


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