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Zorn List Digest        Monday, August 28 2000        Volume 03 : Number 033



In this issue:
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       Re: glenn branca rec's requested
       persepolis/dubravko detoni
       this message concerns Marsh
       RE: metal:  black etc
       listening libraries, filing systems
       Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn
       Re: "Downtown" David Sanborn / Night Music
       Brad Shepik -Tridruga
       Re: metal: black etc
       Re: music libraries
       Re: metal: black etc
       Honorio
       metal

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:51:24 -0400
From: Maurice Rickard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: glenn branca rec's requested

Apologies to anyone who received this twice; I'm not sure if it went
out the first time.

For my record-buying dollar, Symphony No. 6 is essential.  The third
movement is perhaps the most, uh, Branca-esque, and is a great
introduction to the kind of guitar thing he's often identified with.
Feedbacky, thrashy, probably the kind of thing Cage would have called
fascistic.  The second movement is one of the most amazing sounds
I've ever heard--I get chills every time I hear it.  (Imagine
something like 10 ebow-driven guitars s-l-o-w-l-y moving slides up
their necks.) The first and fifth movements involve more picking and
less chordal thrashing than usual, and I'm having a hard time
remembering the fourth movement at the moment.

I'm fond of the early _Ascension_ LP--much rougher and more rockish
than some of the later stuff, although I'm not sure of the in-print
status.  I've enjoyed Symph 5--it's more subtle than some of the
other stuff, but I'm at work and don't have my copy handy for a more
in-depth comparison.

I was disappointed by 8, which struck me as kind cartoony-Wagnerian.
The opening's great, but it falls off from there significantly.  10
(on the same disc) was definitely better, but sort of picks a sound
and stays on it, IIRC, and isn't as varied as the 5 and 6.  As for
the orchestral stuff, I haven't heard any.

There are, IIRC, some sound samples out there on the unofficial fan
site at http://www.tiac.net/users/blip/branca/branca.html but I
haven't been there in a while.  And there's an official site at
http://www.glennbranca.com/ too.

HTH,
Maurice

At 11:17 AM -0500 8/28/00, Kristopher S. Handley wrote:
>I've heard much about his apparently cacophonous oeuvre, but I've
>never heard a note.  What's everybody's opinion of his work, and
>what recordings---especially of the symphonies---would you recommend?
>
>Great advances in thanks,
>
>----s
>_________________________________________________________________________
- --
Maurice Rickard
http://mauricerickard.com/

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:07:13 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: persepolis/dubravko detoni

a couple of reissue notes:

first of all, it seems as if a French label, Fractal, has reissued Xenakis'
Persepolis, which I've never heard, but which is widely considered to be his
major electroacoustic work. Ear/Rational has copies now
(http://www.xmission.com/~ear/), and I'm guessing that other distributors who
carry Fractal should get them shortly.

also, not sure if I mentioned this here earlier this year, but Paradigm
recently put out another superb reissue with the Dubravko Detoni early
seventies compilation. think Dumitrescu with a dash of Nurse With Wound
(Steven Stapleton helped with the packaging), and you're in the neighborhood.
another gem unearthed by Clive Graham and Paradigm, following up the Brast
Burn, Karuna Khyal, and Anal Magic troika of last year. as for the second
Frizzell reissue, the first 20 minute piece is superb, but the rest doesn't
hold up to that high standard, unfortunately.

Jon
www.erstwhilerecords.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:13:03 -0600
From: "Matthew W Wirzbicki  (S) " <[e-mail]>
Subject: this message concerns Marsh

Hi Marsh,

i recieved your message but haven't been able to answer.  I keep recieving
the following message:

>The message failed to be delivered to ([e-mail]) because:
>The requested mailbox doesn't exist...

the message is from Apex mail and goes on to state other possible reasons
for the difficulty.

is the following address correct?  [e-mail]

Matt


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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:46:20 +0200 (CEST)
From: Leon Spaans <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: metal:  black etc

Yep, you DEFINITELY should check out Focus (by Cynic) ! These guys really
knew/know how to play their instruments. I've seen them perform a couple
of times in Holland and their shows really really impressed me.
They were one of the bands that have gotten me into jazz and experimental
music. Their music, however, has definitely got some jazz influences but
still has a firm Metal-foundation and will therefore not be appreciated
by most jazz fans, I suppose ;-) But, check it out .... if you are able
to get yourself copy !

Bye,

Leon

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Benito Vergara wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [e-mail]
> > [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of [e-mail]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 11:41 PM
>
> > I guess I should mention Cynic's one-shot too,
> > but that CD is
> > long out of print and becoming hard as hell to find.
>
> That one shows up on Ebay a lot, but be prepared to pay more than $20 or so.
>
> Man, now I have a long list of stuff to check out...
>
> More of my metal finds have been more in the grindcore / technical metal
> realm. I find that the big (real) black metal bands are a little too
> operatic for my taste. Plus the stuff about Vikings and wolves and winds
> howling over the fjords is a little too much. And then there's the not-small
> matter of the, er, political persuasion of some of these folks.
>
> Later,
> Ben
>
> np: scott walker, "it's raining today"
>
> http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
> ICQ# 12832406
>
>
> -
>
>


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:48:32 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: listening libraries, filing systems

i lived in japan 1981-82 in fukuoka, a city of 1 miliion at the time.
the japanese, at least then, were big on themed bars. there was one for
knife enthusiasts, for instance. there were at least three in fukuoka
that had their walls lined with jazz LPs -- each had thousands and
thousands. you added your request to the end of list. a nice
combination of listening and socializing with like minded folks. the
collections, it turned out, generally exceeded the range of tastes of
the patrons -- none of the barkeeps seemed too enthusiastic when i
requested Interstellar Space.... maybe nowadays they have special bars
for the outcats....

when we had this filing discussion last year, someone said they filed
in the order they acquired the CDs. ... how about filing
chronologically by recording date? or, for fun, by ensemble size
(starting with solo, ending with Braxton's set for four orchestras),
then chronological within that?

martin

np. misha mengelberg "solo" (warming up for ICP's first ever visit to
Southern California, and my first chance to see any of these guys in
person)

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:04:15 -0400
From: "Peter Risser" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Baron Discography/David Sanborn

> > On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 10:43:23PM -0400, Peter Risser wrote:
> > > Yeah, boy, I sure wish they'd bring THESE back to some cable channel
or
> > > other.
> >
> > They useta have them on BET on Jazz twice daily. I suspect they'll
> > eventually return.

 Okay, let me rephrase.
 Yeah, boy, I sure wish they'd bring THESE back to some cable channel or
 other.... THAT I GET.

 Sigh.
 I'm stuck with the Time Warner monopoly, and, for example, even though
 TVLand the Game Show network are far and away the most requested new
 channels, they recently expanded with the Golf Network and like fifty more
 HBOs.  Great.  Just what I needed.

 Maybe someone could tape 'em and put 'em on the web or something.

 Peter


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:25:33 -0500
From: Steve Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Downtown" David Sanborn / Night Music

[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/27/00 2:57:15 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << I don't know the album in question, but Sanborn's roots go back to St.
> Louis. I think, where he played as a youth with members of that city's
> Black Artist Group including Hemphill and Lester Bowie. When he hosted
> that (very) late night music program on NBC (Night Music, right?), Zorn
> appeared and Sanborn joined him for a tear through of a Zorn piece
> (Roadrunner?). So, yeah, he has some perhaps unexpected roots. >>
>
> Sanborn also appears (and definitely holds his own) on Tim Berne's Hemphill
> tribute CD, Diminutive Mysteries (mostly Hemphill) (JMT).

He also played on at least one occasion at the Knit with Zorn and Berne's Spy
Vs. Spy.  And if memory serves, on Night Music Sanborn actually played with
Zorn (Naked City's "Snagglepuss," with the rest of the bemused looking fusion
chopsmen in the Night Music group - Hiram Bullock, Omar Hakim, Phillipe Saisse
and a fill-in bassist subbing for Marcus Miller) and Berne ("Hong Kong Sad
Song/More Coffee," with Herb Robertson, Marc Ribot, Hank Roberts, Mark Dresser
and Joey Baron).  Further memory search leads me to think that the latter
episode ending with John Cale, Richard Thompson and Shawn Colvin trading
verses on Cale's dolorous version of "Heartbreak Hotel" with BJ Cole on pedal
steel and Berne and Sanborn tooting on alto and soprano respectively.

Best Night Music memory of all, however, would have to be Todd Rundgren, Ellen
Foley and Taj Mahal performing a scene from 'HMS Pinafore,' with Sanborn, Pat
Metheny, Christian Marclay (!!!) and the Night Music band all dressed as
sailors behind them...

Steve Smith
[e-mail]
(catching up on e-mail after a long weekend away...)


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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:01:14 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Brad Shepik -Tridruga

Brad Shepik's Tridruga is on www.lvslv.com (loveslave). Also try "The Well"
with Epstein, Sverrison (Pachora) and Sarin. Turkish and very nice.


_ Rob ......<.....   ||
    [e-mail]
     http://www.frontstage.com/rob
   "The goal is to bring the same intensity to listening
     as the performer to playing".


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:31:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?A?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: metal: black etc

Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:09:00 +0200
From: Julien Quint <[e-mail]>


Good recommendations, on the Napalm Death tip I'd like to add that
the
Peel
Sessions are really worth tracking down. Early Earache stuff is good
(Carcass,
Bolt Thrower, etc.)
- -------------
I second that!!!! Actually, the Peel Sessions have been re-issued
about a month ago, and the CD includes 4 sessions now, so that's
quite essential.
The other day I discovered this page, featuring reviews for the
entire Earache catalog:

http://www.lamcat.demon.co.uk

A nice independent label... that's just about gone to hell.

np: Lawnmower Deth/Kids in America

A

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:59:06 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: music libraries

Berklee College of Music has a great music library that matches the
description implied. It is called The Media Center. The whole Media Center
consists of a pretty good book library, a computer center for sequencing and
other computer needs, a lounge called The Stan Getz Lounge because it
displays his tenor sax, an Internet room, and various other stuff. They have
a request list that gets granted most of the time. It is open to the public
with a library or college ID card. They have about 50 CD players with
headphones and about 30 television screens with VCRs, laserdiscs, and soon
DVD players. The catalogue is enormous (and it should be after paying the
enormous tuition) and the months top 100 CDs in the billboard charts are
donated to Berklee from the Newbury Comics shop. No one is allowed to remove
anything from the Media Center (and no coffee either, though I still sneak
some in). I know many people who have snuck CDs and videos out, burned or
taped them and returned them, this kind of thing is always bond to happen.
The catalogue is easily searchable through their new Macintosh computers. I
think the catalogue is even on the Berklee web site. It is a great thing, you
can spend a whole Sunday in there. And yes, they have a pretty fair amount of
avant stuff. So if you live anywhere near Boston come check it out.

Bugs and Hugs,
Marcus



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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:00:14 -0400
From: "Peter Risser" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: metal: black etc

> Good recommendations, on the Napalm Death tip I'd like to add that
> the
> Peel
> Sessions are really worth tracking down. Early Earache stuff is good
> (Carcass,
> Bolt Thrower, etc.)
> -------------
> I second that!!!! Actually, the Peel Sessions have been re-issued
> about a month ago, and the CD includes 4 sessions now, so that's
> quite essential.

Plus, I don't know about yours, but *my* Peel Sessions CD has glow in the
dark ink for the printing on the CD.  Cool!

(Makes a GREAT answering machine message, BTW)
Peter


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:21:53 -0300
From: "Gabriel Lichtmann" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Honorio

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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:37:15 GMT
From: "William York" <[e-mail]>
Subject: metal

>More of my metal finds have been more in the grindcore / technical metal
>realm. I find that the big (real) black metal bands are a little too
>operatic for my taste. Plus the stuff about Vikings and wolves and winds
>howling over the fjords is a little too much. And then there's the
>not->small matter of the, er, political persuasion of some of these folks.

Yeah, no kidding, on both of those counts. I am not a big black metal fan
although there are some bands who are kind of near that that I like such as
Opeth or At the Gates.

Some (more "experimental") metal bands that I like are:

Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity (chaotic, incredibly complex,
with weirdo fusion-y overtones and very abrasive vocals)

...and if you line them, Coalesce, Candiria, Cave-In (all of whom actually
come from a "Hardcore" perspective but like Dillinger don't go for any
stylistic trappings of that genre ... well, besides screaming alot) as well
as Human Remains and Strapping young Lad, both of whom others mentioned, are
worth listening to.

Soilent Green - super-heavy, swampy New Orleans metal, incredibly twisted
songs with lots of parts (some fast, some slow, all pretty loud), not really
"death metal" or "grindcore" or anything specific. Pretty unique I think.
There's another related band, Eyehategod, who shares on of their guitar
players. That stuff isn't as far out musically, basically really slow,
painful kind of southern/Black Sabbath/Melvins sludge. Another really good
New Orleans band was Acid Bath who were kind of like Soilent Green, only
less complex/heavy and with more of a rock feel and lots of cleanly sung,
almost Jim Morrison-type vocals.

Then Death Metal - I have to say I like Morbid Angel, whatever their
personal beliefs are (and there are plenty of bands who are worse). Part of
me laughs when I listen to this stuff, but then again, it's pretty amazing
and really well written. Somebody else mentioned Cryptopsy, they're pretty
amazing too, more technical and out there but not as much as Gorguts'
Obscura CD, which is totally krazy. Actually I don't personally like that as
much although it is interesting.

For something with a sense of humor, there's a band called Carnival in Coal,
actually a French duo who are kind of like Mr. Bungle + death metal + '80s
dance pop. It is really sick, stupid and over the top sometimes (not
gory-sick or anything, just sarcastic) and they use a drum machine (at least
know how to program it) but they know what they are doing. The one which is
relatively easier to find, _French Cancan_, has great back-to-back covers of
Gerry Rafferty's "Baker STreet" and Morbid Angel's "Fall from Grace." If you
like Mr. Bungle/Patton, estradasphere and/or Zappa as well as metal, this
may be worth listening to.

But if you are coming from a Zorn/Naked City point of view, the closest at
first is probably Napalm Death (The Peel Session, Scum, From
Enslavement...), then other grind stuff like Brutal Truth or, more recently,
Discordance Axis. Basically, it's more "angry," less "evil." And that is
really far away, at least to me, from the majestic black metal stuff that
aquarius talks about a lot, though they do mention other stuff.

Anyway, sorry if this is off topic,
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