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Zorn List Digest        Monday, August 28 2000        Volume 03 : Number 032



In this issue:
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       Re: The sound of sun city girls
       Re: Sixun
       Unpopular Knitting Factory
       New Disc Up for Trade
       re: music libraries
       Re: music libraries
       Re: music libraries
       Re: genres (was Tzadik)
       Re: Recent Goodies (long)
       Re: genres (was Tzadik)
       Re: music libraries
       glenn branca rec's requested
       Re: Sixun
       RE: metal:  black etc
       Re: metal:  black etc
       RE: Brad Shepik (continued)
       Sackville reissues
       Re: glenn branca rec's requested

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:15:12 +0200
From: "Stephane Vuilleumier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The sound of sun city girls

IMHO they're completely screwed up players who play all kinds of stuff
from dreadful straight country ballads to all-out shrieking noise.
I never managed to pick up the right albums (ie the latter) but the Wire
had a thorough analysis of their output what, two years back?
If nobody comes up with the reference I may be able to dig it up

Anyway, I guess I'd like some recommendations too.

Stephane

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Verstraeten Stefan" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Montag, 28. August 2000 09:13
Subject: The sound of sun city girls


> I noticed from mailing lists (DMG, Forced exposure, Other Music) that the
> "sun city girls" have a reissue of their albums.
>
> Now, can anybody on this list explain how these persons sound like? They
> seem to use the "normal" jazz instruments (upright bass, ...), but somehow
I
> suspect that they don't play it the normal way, but play a more "out"
jazz.
>
> Is this correct?


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:30:49 +0200
From: Julien Quint <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sixun

[e-mail] said:
> I was reading an interview with Gary Willis recently, and in it, the
> interviewer mentioned a band called Sixun.  A search for them or their
> records returned no responses.  Anyone got some info for me?

This is probably the best example of the terrible fusion plague that was
rampant in France in the late 80's/early 90's... Sixun, Uzeb and their cohorts
were the purveyors of some of the worst outrages against music ever committed.
Since this trend was unexplicably popular at one point, it was really easy to
come by their stuff... if your local record store has one of those 'jazz rock'
bins you might be able to find them. I'd recommend listening to them at least
once to get an idea of how bad it was.

- --
Julien



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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:29:28 GMT
From: "Arthur Gadney" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Unpopular Knitting Factory

Hello,

I recently asked for the John Lurie letter about the Knitting Factory and
Marcin kindly sent it to me. I read it, thought it was very funny, but also
thought it was some kind of joke.
However, Marcin also told me that apparantly it was quite serious! Knitting
Factory actually has become extremely unpopular among Zorn, Lurie and the
rest of the people discussed on this list.

So my question is, what happened!? Last I heard, everybody was very happy
about Knitting Factory, saying it was such a good place for creative music
and so forth. However, I don't live in New York and that was some years ago.
Still I was very surprised to hear about thios change in attitudes.

Could anybody give a bit more information on this topic?

Or maybe this has already been discussed at great length around the time of
the original posting? Maybe then somebody could direct me towards the time
in the archives where I can find this discussion...?

Confused thanks!
ARTHUR_G

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:59:17 +0200 (MET DST)
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Fruitman)
Subject: New Disc Up for Trade

A new disc by multi-instrumentalist Jyoji Sawada to trade: _Enfant
Terrible_ (Sonore), produced by Aki Onda and featuring a number of eminent
Japanese players, is based on a story by Sawada (some Japanese narration,
children=B4s voices) about a world ruled by kids. Kind of a cross between Th=
e
Residents and a dystopian Noh play, with some craziness, some beauty, and
an overall sensibility that should appeal to partisans of everything
"downtown".

I=B4m trying to fill some holes in my collection. Will trade for any of the
below. Respond privately if interested. All the best, Stephen

Dave Douglas, Magic Triangle
Dave Douglas Quartet, Leap of Faith
Dave Douglas Sextet, Soul on Soul
Wayne Horvitz, 4 + 1 Ensemble
Wayne Horvitz, American Bandstand
=46reight Elevator Quartet, Becoming Transparent
=46reight Elevator Quartet, Jungle
Marc Ribot & Los Cubanos Postizos, Muy Divertido
Junk Genius, Ghost of Electricity
St. Germain, Tourist
Carl Stone, Mom=B4s
Paul D. Miller, Death in the Light of the Phonograph
Him, Interpretive Belief System
V/A, This is Home Entertainment 1
Jon Hassell, The Surgeon of the Nightsky Restores Dead Things By the
   Power of Sound
Harold Budd, Luxa
   The White Arcade
   Lovely Thunder
Gavin Bryars, Cadman=B4s Requiem
We, deCentertainment
Tied & Tickled Trio, S/T
Kelly Hogan, Beneath the Country Underdog
Ojima Yoshio & Satsuki Shibano, Caresse
Ojima Yoshio & Satsuki Shibano, Music for Element
Boomish, S/T
DJ Logic, Project Logic

Stephen Fruitman
Dept of Historical Studies
Ume=E5 University
SE-901 87 Ume=E5 Sweden

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:44:44 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: re: music libraries

dear robert --

it's an interesting idea, your library, and an idea strikes me that would help
you preserve the recordings and sidestep the home-taping concern. why not make
it a non-lending library? i've seen cd store listening stations set up with
headphones on one side of the counter and players on the other. a remote control
attached to the counter would allow someone to skip tracks and whatnot, and if
they were multi-disc players, people could sit there (in the nice, comfy chairs
you'd provide) with a fair bit of control over what they want to hear.

with this sort of control against home taping, i would think artists and labels
would be more than happy to make recordings available, if only out of promotion
they'd get.

i also think you might be wise to try and hook up with some already established
institution if you're going to do this. a special section of a public library or
a university seems plausible. and libraries do have special collections and
noncirculating materials, so it's not so far flung.

i hope you live in new york so i can come by when you get it open.

kg

np: kahil el'zabar's ritual trio featuring pharoah sanders - africa n'da blues
(although for your library i suggest 'alika rising' on sound aspects, if it's
still in print)



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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:58:38 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: music libraries

i know for a fact that Berklee College of Music in Boston has a music
library.  My best friend goes to school up there and he makes me incredibly
jealous by the fact that he can go listen to pretty much anything he could
ever want.

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:14:20 -0400
From: Joseph Zitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music libraries

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 09:58:38AM -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
> i know for a fact that Berklee College of Music in Boston has a music
> library.  My best friend goes to school up there and he makes me incredibly
> jealous by the fact that he can go listen to pretty much anything he could
> ever want.

Twenty-mumble years ago, we had this at my college. It got so when I was
on my shift in the AV room, people would come in and ask me to put on
something they hadn't heard before that they'd like, for them to listen
to on headphones. Sort of a 1 to 1 DJ.

To do an in-store-listening only thing, I would maintain an MP3 jukebox
(or, given infinite filespace, a WAV file jukebox) of the CDs, so
multiple people could listen to the same tracks out of sync with one
another. You might also have multi-person listening booths for group
listening. (I've seen some nifty technology through which you can only
hear music while standing under a plastic dome.)

Definitely give it comfy chairs and coffee!

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:04:09 -0700
From: William Crump <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: genres (was Tzadik)

Don Gunning wrote:

>
> The alphabet works just fine for me,about all I can handle.  If I didn't
> have things alphabetized, I'd never be able to find anything (still have
> some problems sometimes).

Same here, though I have a chunk of blues CDs separated out from the main
body of the collection. (The Chess 50th anniversary releases.)

A related question that's always amused my friends and me: Where do you all
file your Fela records? F for Fela, or K for Kuti?

Wm. Crump


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:47:21 -0700
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Recent Goodies (long)

On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:19:47 -0400  Brian Olewnick wrote:
>
> Ah, birthday splurges! If only I could convince my wife on the utility
> of semi-annual birthdays...

And what about Saint Brian's day? In the catholic almanach, there is a
Saint name for every day. Where not these celebrations specially designed
for us, avid record collectors :-).

    Patrice.

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:05:30 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Your Imaginary Friend)
Subject: Re: genres (was Tzadik)

>Don Gunning wrote:
>
>>
>> The alphabet works just fine for me,about all I can handle.  If I didn't
>> have things alphabetized, I'd never be able to find anything (still have
>> some problems sometimes).
>
>Same here, though I have a chunk of blues CDs separated out from the main
>body of the collection. (The Chess 50th anniversary releases.)
>
>A related question that's always amused my friends and me: Where do you all
>file your Fela records? F for Fela, or K for Kuti?
>
>Wm. Crump
>
>
>-

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:04:19 GMT
From: "robert ludington" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music libraries

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 09:58:38AM -0400, [e-mail] wrote:
>i know for a fact that Berklee College of Music in Boston has a music
>library.  My best friend goes to school up there and he makes me
> >incredibly jealous by the fact that he can go listen to pretty much
> >anything he could ever want.

<<To do an in-store-listening only thing, I would maintain an MP3
jukebox(or, given infinite filespace, a WAV file jukebox) of the CDs, so
multiple people could listen to the same tracks out of sync with one
another. You might also have multi-person listening booths for group
listening. (I've seen some nifty technology through which you can only
hear music while standing under a plastic dome.)
Definitely give it comfy chairs and coffee!>>

    I definitly have considered listening stations, but not as the main
objective of the place... but now I envision something like the jazz cafe's
which Otomo Yoshihide describes in his one more recent Wire interview(with
maybe a central PA that people could make requests, along with several
listening stations)... maybe,  to preserve the collection, but also to
respect peoples integrity there could be a blance between loans & listening
booths.. only lend out 2 albums per month, per person... I don't know,
personally I've never liked the library's fine system, because many times I
haven't returned something on time only because of how busy I was, or not in
the area of that particular library, never ill-intentioned.. maybe to
prevent people from borrowing & have it turn to theft there could be a rule
of: If you haven't returned an item you cannot borrow anything else until
that one item is returned, but there are no late fees...? It's hard to
strike a balance between being fair to the individual & what's fair to the
public at large....

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:17:50 CDT
From: "Kristopher S. Handley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: glenn branca rec's requested

I've heard much about his apparently cacophonous oeuvre, but I've never
heard a note.  What's everybody's opinion of his work, and what
recordings---especially of the symphonies---would you recommend?

Great advances in thanks,

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:04:27 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Sixun

In a message dated 8/28/00 3:31:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< This is probably the best example of the terrible fusion plague that was
 rampant in France in the late 80's/early 90's... Sixun, Uzeb and their
cohorts
 were the purveyors of some of the worst outrages against music ever
committed.
 Since this trend was unexplicably popular at one point, it was really easy
to
 come by their stuff... if your local record store has one of those 'jazz
rock'
 bins you might be able to find them. I'd recommend listening to them at
least
 once to get an idea of how bad it was. >>

I found an Uzeb live double CD (title?) in the used bins at my fave hip CD
outlet a couple of years ago.  While some of it was pretty capable jazz/rock
fusion, most of it came off as Yellowjackets wannabes.  Very weird to hear
the same band burning it up one moment and then stinking it up the next.

- --
np: Out Of Focus- Not Too Late (recently released/previously unreleased 4th
album by the legendary German jazz/rock outfit)

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:05:05 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: metal:  black etc

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of [e-mail]
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 11:41 PM

> I guess I should mention Cynic's one-shot too,
> but that CD is
> long out of print and becoming hard as hell to find.

That one shows up on Ebay a lot, but be prepared to pay more than $20 or so.

Man, now I have a long list of stuff to check out...

More of my metal finds have been more in the grindcore / technical metal
realm. I find that the big (real) black metal bands are a little too
operatic for my taste. Plus the stuff about Vikings and wolves and winds
howling over the fjords is a little too much. And then there's the not-small
matter of the, er, political persuasion of some of these folks.

Later,
Ben

np: scott walker, "it's raining today"

http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara/
ICQ# 12832406


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:08:35 -0700
From: "Nirav Soni" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: metal:  black etc

> More of my metal finds have been more in the grindcore / technical metal
> realm. I find that the big (real) black metal bands are a little too
> operatic for my taste. Plus the stuff about Vikings and wolves and winds
> howling over the fjords is a little too much.

I've a lot of friends that are into hardcore and such, so I've taken to some
of the scre(a)mo stuff. Red Roses for a Blue Lady slay, they're the coolest
combination of outofcontrolcore and emo intensity. Combatwoundedveteran are
killer cantplaycore (self-described.) I sometimes have a hard time digesting
too much black metal (it's the corpsepaint that really makes it difficult to
take them seriously) but I'm more interested in the grind and hardcore
manifestations. The new Napalm Death Peel Sessions are vital though.

Cheers,
Nirav
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drama, with a fixed, unchangeable point of view- the witless repetitive
responce to the unpercieved."- Marshall McLuhan


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:19:35 -0300
From: Linares Hugo <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Brad Shepik (continued)

> It is trio "Tridruga" with Yuri Lemeshev on accordion and Tony Scherr
> on bass balalaika and Brad on acoustic guitar.
>
> They are very mellow, romantic and beautiful. They are performed in
> kind of sophisticated manner though.
    [Linares Hugo]

    Seconded. It's a pretty nice and interesting recording, highly
recommended for accordion "suckers".
    I asked Tony Scherr if this project would go on and he said that it
would depend on their different projects, though they were very happy with
the results they got to.
    "Tridruga" was recorded in Scherr's house.

    Hugo Linares.




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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:29:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Waxman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sackville reissues

Hi folks:

The most recent CODA (September/October) announced
that Sackville Records (its affiliate) is going to
reissue nine avant garde sessions every two months
over the next two years in limited editions of 1,000.

Titles will include sessions by Julius Hemphill, Don
Pullen, Roscoe Mitchell, Braxton etc. and a series
subscription is available.

Sackville is at: Box 1002, Stn. O, Toronto, Ont., M4A
2N4 Canada
tel/fax: [phone]

I have no affiliation with the label, I'm just
interested in good music.

Ken Waxman


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:37:28 -0400
From: Maurice Rickard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: glenn branca rec's requested

For my record-buying dollar, Symphony No. 6 is essential.  The third
movement is perhaps the most, uh, Branca-esque, and is a great
introduction to the kind of guitar thing he's often identified with.
Feedbacky, thrashy, probably the kind of thing Cage would have called
fascistic.  The second movement is one of the most amazing sounds
I've ever heard--I get chills every time I hear it.  (Imagine
something like 10 ebow-driven guitars s-l-o-w-l-y moving slides up
their necks.) The first and fifth movements involve more picking and
less chordal thrashing than usual, and I'm having a hard time
remembering the fourth movement at the moment.

I'm fond of the early _Ascension_ LP--much rougher and more rockish
than some of the later stuff, although I'm not sure of the in-print
status.  I've enjoyed Symph 5--it's more subtle than some of the
other stuff, but I'm at work and don't have my copy handy for a more
in-depth comparison.

I was disappointed by 8, which struck me as kind cartoony-Wagnerian.
The opening's great, but it falls off from there significantly.  10
(on the same disc) was definitely better, but sort of picks a sound
and stays on it, IIRC, and isn't as varied as the 5 and 6.  As for
the orchestral stuff, I haven't heard any.

There are, IIRC, some sound samples out there on the unofficial fan
site at http://www.tiac.net/users/blip/branca/branca.html but I
haven't been there in a while.  And there's an official site at
http://www.glennbranca.com/ too.

HTH,
Maurice

At 11:17 AM -0500 8/28/00, Kristopher S. Handley wrote:
>I've heard much about his apparently cacophonous oeuvre, but I've
>never heard a note.  What's everybody's opinion of his work, and
>what recordings---especially of the symphonies---would you recommend?
>
>Great advances in thanks,
>
>----s
>_________________________________________________________________________
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